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    Re: 997.2 Turbo info thread

    I can only imagine 997.2 TTS 0-200 capabilities...

    11,5 sec? will it be faster than Gallardo LP560 or SLR or current GT2? just for understanding 


    Re: 997.2 Turbo info thread

    I didn't think there was going to be a 997.2 GT2 so I would really really doubt Porsche would make the 997.2 Turbo S faster than the 997.1 GT2!


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    Re: 997.2 Turbo info thread

    artur777:

    I can only imagine 997.2 TTS 0-200 capabilities...

    11,5 sec? will it be faster than Gallardo LP560 or SLR or current GT2? just for understanding 


    I will give you few numbers for both versions to speculate: 12.0s, 11.8s, 11.6s...


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     I can predict 11.6s for TTS from your words

    Current 997TT is 12.1 sec for 0-200.

     

    0.5 sec of difference - is that really much or not?


    Re: 997.2 Turbo info thread

    The one think to know Kreso is; GT1 block or not?? Anyeay you tell us?

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    Alex_997TT:

    I didn't think there was going to be a 997.2 GT2 so I would really really doubt Porsche would make the 997.2 Turbo S faster than the 997.1 GT2!

    Why not? They need to raise performance level more than they wish to hold vs the competition.


    Re: 997.2 Turbo info thread

    Then they'd have to explain to customers why a GT2 cost £20k more and is slower!

    In the past has a Turbo S EVER been released that is faster than a GT2 of the same model (eg. 996)?


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    Times are changing, the compeition is heating up and sales are down.

    In the past, Porsche managed to keep good sales with moderate performance improvements. They can't afford to do that anymore, it is time to give back what they have held for a while, kinda like saving for rainy days...


    Re: 997.2 Turbo info thread

    Every car manufacturer is struggling in the supercar market, not just Porsche.  And the 997.1 Turbo is still on a par in a straight line with the competition (GT-R and R8 V10) but has more exclusivity being a Porsche (and not a Nissan or an Audi)

    So I don't think a huge amount more power is the answer - better handling is so it can do the NBR time closer to the GT-R.  I would expect the 997.2 Turbo to have a 100-200 time of about 8.0 secs.

     


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    Current Turbo is 8.5 sec on 100-200 

    New Turbo should be faster than 8 sec due to gearing and power increase...


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    Next car under 8s is the LP560 which is about the same weight as a Turbo but with 560bhp.  So how exactly will the 997.2 Turbo with 500 or even 530 BHP be as fast as this?


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    Re: 997.2 Turbo info thread

    Same reason that a 480 hp 997.1 outruns a 500 hp Gallardo... It's a Porsche Smiley

     

    Reference:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwpH2xGhr-Y


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    Alex_997TT, besides HP figure you shoul look at the gearing, torque figure, torque shelf, transmission losses, aerodynamic coefficient. Only after looking at this you can do a conclusion

    997.1 Turbo is MUCH faster than Gallardo 520 hp up to 200 km/h - this is the example


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    OK so poor example, I should have used:

     

    Car 0-100 0-200 0-300 100-200 100-300 200-300 Power (PS) Weight (kg) PS/ton Source
    997 Turbo TechArt GT Street 3.7 11.4 30.9 7.7 27.2 19.5 630 1649 382 AutoBild

     

    Weights a little more than the stock Turbo and has 630 bhp.  You are telling me that the 997.2 will get get anywhere near this with 100bhp less?


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    Err that GT street is painfully slow for the power and course the $$$.. Also 1650kg?? Is that a cabrio?

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    The GT street also has those massive, hideous wings to slow it down!


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     This Techart has less hp than announced

    we have measured two heavily modified 911 Turboes TipTronic with 630 hp and 720 hp.

    The first one:

    0-100 - 3.3

    0-200 - 10.4

    The second one:

    0-100 - 3.0

    0-200 - 9.7

     

    New 997.2 TTS will be advantageous due to gearing, shifting and LSD - it will within 11secs range for 0-200.


    Re: 997.2 Turbo info thread

    fastfatturbo:

    Same reason that a 480 hp 997.1 outruns a 500 hp Gallardo... It's a Porsche Smiley

     

    Reference:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwpH2xGhr-Y


    exactly! a lambo with the same power of a porsche will be always behind the turbo!!

     

    if the 997 TT    0-200  is  12,1-12,3 sec

    with PDK and 20hp  MORE

    from 0 to 200 you need 4 changes of GEAR it means that you will win 0,15sec(PDK) X 4 changes = 0,6 sec at least MORE the increase in POWER...

     

    cmon guys its a PORSCHE

    IMO 997TT.2 = 11,2-11,3 sec till 200km/h

    997TTS = 10,9 sec till 200km/h.


    Re: 997.2 Turbo info thread

    I think that 997.2 TT will  win about 0.5 sec due to gearing and 0.1-0.2 sec due to more hp up to 200.

    997.2 TTS will win additionally 0.2-0.3 sec up to 200.

     

    So we will see about 11.5 sec for 997.2 TT and 11.2-11.3 for 997.2 TTS


    Re: 997.2 Turbo info thread

    Seen this yet?

     


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    Re: 997.2 Turbo info thread

    KresoF1:
    artur777:

    I can only imagine 997.2 TTS 0-200 capabilities...

    11,5 sec? will it be faster than Gallardo LP560 or SLR or current GT2? just for understanding 


    I will give you few numbers for both versions to speculate: 12.0s, 11.8s, 11.6s...


    11.8s is the time of the current tiptronic in sport mode so it better be 11.6s for the pdk.

    I predict even a faster time since the pdk seems to have done wonders to the cayman s and 997 s performance numbers with modest hp increase.


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    Re: 997.2 Turbo info thread

    Very recently we saw the first official Porsche document that confirms availability of PDK for the 997TT.2 


    Re: 997.2 Turbo info thread

     So GT1 block or not? Any news on that?


    Re: 997.2 Turbo info thread

    Look at the diference in 0-200 for the 997.1 Carrera S and the 997.2 Carrera S with PDK, it's almost 2.5 seonds. Surely the addition of PDK has a lot to do with that huge difference, and not just the power gains. The 997.2TT with PDK should be markedly quicker than the 997.1 unless Porsche has throttled it back due to the GT2 market.


    Re: 997.2 Turbo info thread

    I don't get the the PDK limit (790nm).

    does it mean that the PDK can handel power reliably upto 790nm? or that 790nm is the absolute limit for the PDK, and anything higher would destory the gearbox?

    hopefully it's the latter, and full exhuast + ECU tuning on the 997.2 turbo is still possible .


    Re: 997.2 Turbo info thread

    combo3010:

    I don't get the the PDK limit (790nm).

    does it mean that the PDK can handel power reliably upto 790nm? or that 790nm is the absolute limit for the PDK, and anything higher would destory the gearbox?

    hopefully it's the latter, and full exhuast + ECU tuning on the 997.2 turbo is still possible .


    with ECU and exhaust  you will get the limit of this PDK GEARBOX!!

    997TT has 68kg TORQUE  right...

    997.2TT might be with 20hp  70kg

    997.2 TT stage 2 ecu+exhaust 76~78  nothing more than this

    this car will be a  monster!

    im putting my turbo to sell it, waiting the FACELIFT! Smiley


    Re: 997.2 Turbo info thread

    GT:

     So GT1 block or not? Any news on that?


    What about two available blocks ?

    The Gt1 with the manual and the new block with the PDK Smiley


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    Re: 997.2 Turbo info thread

    Why would they do that?  How many 911s are being sold these days?  Most dealerships around the world are having a hard time moving their cars...if the switch in engine was meant to save money, why bother keeping two separate chassis with two different engines. 


    Re: 997.2 Turbo info thread

    KresoF1,

    when you said that intro of 997.2 TT will be in NOvember, you meant that it would be presented in November or we will get first cars in November? 


    Re: 997.2 Turbo info thread

     November is the dealer presentations. Sales also start around then.


     
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