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    BMW Alpina B3 Biturbo Coupé in Supertest

    Anyone have the result?

    http://www.sportauto-online.de/heft/mpsmag_mag_500273_14520.hbs

    Video of the lap:

    http://www.sportauto-online.de/multimedia/videos/


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    Re: BMW Alpina B3 Biturbo Coupé in Supertest

    Ring 8.14min

    Hockenheim 1.16,1min

    Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 19" tires, optional LSD(1990€), optional additional oil cooler(€990).

    0-100km/h: 4.7s

    0-200km/h: 17.6s

    Max: 285km/h

    Wet handling track time 3s slower then M3 with Cup+ tires...

    All in all in drive dynamics no match for M3.


    Re: BMW Alpina B3 Biturbo Coupé in Supertest

    Thanks.

     No match for the M3, but it demolishes the equally powerful S5 (8:26)SmileySmiley


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    temm:

    Thanks.

     No match for the M3, but it demolishes the equally powerful S5 (8:26)SmileySmiley


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    ...or for less money you can buy Lexus IS-F. Marginally slower on the Ring but, faster on the Hockenheim and on the wet handling track...

    Re: BMW Alpina B3 Biturbo Coupé in Supertest

    KresoF1:

    Ring 8.14min

    Hockenheim 1.16,1min

    Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 19" tires, optional LSD(1990€), optional additional oil cooler(€990).

    0-100km/h: 4.7s

    0-200km/h: 17.6s

    Max: 285km/h

    Wet handling track time 3s slower then M3 with Cup+ tires...

    All in all in drive dynamics no match for M3.

    M3 with sportreifen, SA times:

    NBR: 8.05

    Hock: 1.14,3

    How much nearer these times could the Alpina be with Cups or Corsas?

    In the case of the 997.2 vs 997.1, if I remember well 7s were cut from the Ring time, due to the sport tyres.


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    Re: BMW Alpina B3 Biturbo Coupé in Supertest

    It was stated in the article that the suspension setup was far from suited for the NS and HHR, in fact it might be the more sensible alternative to M3 just as the B5 is to the M5. The only issue in Germany seems to be resale value.

    Re: BMW Alpina B3 Biturbo Coupé in Supertest

    Ferdie:
    It was stated in the article that the suspension setup was far from suited for the NS and HHR, in fact it might be the more sensible alternative to M3 just as the B5 is to the M5. The only issue in Germany seems to be resale value.

    I've read this about the Alpina resale value, before.

    What is the logic behind it? Shouldn't the Alpinas be considered more rare and exclusive and attract more? Any reliability drawbacks in the long term or parts availabilty difficulties?
    Is there a catch somewhere?


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    Re: BMW Alpina B3 Biturbo Coupé in Supertest

    KresoF1:
    temm:

    Thanks.

     No match for the M3, but it demolishes the equally powerful S5 (8:26)SmileySmiley


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    ...or for less money you can buy Lexus IS-F. Marginally slower on the Ring but, faster on the Hockenheim and on the wet handling track...
    BTW, met a Lexus IS-F by chance when driving our new M3 (1500km only...) last week. The M3 is significantly faster in the straight line (150kph to 250kph speed range). I was really impressed by the relative performance of the M3 (in particular, as our engine is not run in yet). The IS-F driver was probably a bit shocked as well Smiley

    Re: BMW Alpina B3 Biturbo Coupé in Supertest

    Markus,

    How do you like M-DKG? Specially in comparison with PDK?

    I drove 997.2CS with PDK few days ago and belive it or not I was not that impressed. In fact I was in hurry to sit back in my manual R8. Overall R8 is a better car overall then 997.2 CS. At least in for me important things-drive dynamics, engine sound, engine low end torque and drivabiltiy, high speed stability in straight line etc. BUT, 997.2 CS is very, very good sportscars indeed.


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    Kreso,

     the DKG with the recent Software update is much better than the old version. However, if I had to rate it against the PDK I would still argue that PDK is better, primarily for two reasons:

     - downshifts in Auto mode on Kick-down are faster with PDK (for example if you travel in 7th gear and fully apply the accelerator PDK shifts to 3rd gear in a nano-second... DKG shifts from 7th to 5th extremely fast and then takes .25s or so to do another shift to 4th).

    - The 997 with PDK reacts more directly to throttle movements at slow speeds (inner city driving etc.). However, this might be more a problem of the M3 engine  than DKG.

    Having said that DKG is still a very nice piece of engineering Smiley Former disadvantages (e.g. slow ractions to manual down-shifts) have been eliminated with the software upgrade.

     Other impressions of the M3 so far are (the car is on winter tires right now, thus any experience regarding the suspension is limited!):

    - Agile, turns in quickly

    - Steering feels a bit synthetic compared to 997

    - Brakes are great (so far)

    - Nice level of comfort in Comfort mode

    - Rear feels quite "light" under full acceleration (however, these 235 winter tires are really too narrow for 420hp)

    - The car shifts quite quickly from understeer to oversteer in fast AB bends; the car always makes you aware of its conceptual limitations - a 997 feels much more stable and reliable (however, as I mentioned, this comment is currently limited tothe M3 on winter tires!).

     My overall conclusion: the M3 is a great package, fun to drive and somehow a nice mixture between a sporty limousine (like the A8 W12) and a 997. Fully recommended Smiley


    Re: BMW Alpina B3 Biturbo Coupé in Supertest

    I thought this was a quite interesting test in AMS:

    1. BMW Alpina B3

    Fazit:

    Hochdynamisch, komfortabel, effizient und preisgünstig besiegt der B3 mit seinem Dreiliter-Reihensechser die geballte Werks-Macht.

    484 von 650 Punkten

    2. BMW M3 Coupé

    Fazit:

    Nur Zweiter, aber immer noch die erste Wahl für sensible Sportfahrer, die Ansprache, Präzision, Driftspaß und viel Emotionalität suchen.

    453 von 650 Punkten

    3. Mercedes C 63 AMG

    Fazit:

    Das optisch und akustisch größte Showcar im Vergleich. Wer ihn fordert, erlebt große Dynamik, aber auch hohen Spritverbrauch und herben Komfort.

    1. 432 von 650 Punkten

    http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/tests/vergleichstest/hxcms_article_510006_13987,testwertung.hbs


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    MKSGR:

    Kreso,

     the DKG with the recent Software update is much better than the old version. However, if I had to rate it against the PDK I would still argue that PDK is better, primarily for two reasons:

     - downshifts in Auto mode on Kick-down are faster with PDK (for example if you travel in 7th gear and fully apply the accelerator PDK shifts to 3rd gear in a nano-second... DKG shifts from 7th to 5th extremely fast and then takes .25s or so to do another shift to 4th).

    - The 997 with PDK reacts more directly to throttle movements at slow speeds (inner city driving etc.). However, this might be more a problem of the M3 engine  than DKG.

    Having said that DKG is still a very nice piece of engineering Smiley Former disadvantages (e.g. slow ractions to manual down-shifts) have been eliminated with the software upgrade.

     Other impressions of the M3 so far are (the car is on winter tires right now, thus any experience regarding the suspension is limited!):

    - Agile, turns in quickly

    - Steering feels a bit synthetic compared to 997

    - Brakes are great (so far)

    - Nice level of comfort in Comfort mode

    - Rear feels quite "light" under full acceleration (however, these 235 winter tires are really too narrow for 420hp)

    - The car shifts quite quickly from understeer to oversteer in fast AB bends; the car always makes you aware of its conceptual limitations - a 997 feels much more stable and reliable (however, as I mentioned, this comment is currently limited tothe M3 on winter tires!).

     My overall conclusion: the M3 is a great package, fun to drive and somehow a nice mixture between a sporty limousine (like the A8 W12) and a 997. Fully recommended Smiley

    I fully agree with one exception though (due to the heavier weight of the M3 Cabriolet): the braking system on my wife's M3 Cab is horrible, absolutely not good enough for such a heavy car. What may be OK with the lighter Coupe and Limousine, is a pain in the a.. on the Cab. Smiley A fast Autobahn drive and the brake gets soft and starts rubbing.
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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, Cayenne Turbo S, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW

    Re: BMW Alpina B3 Biturbo Coupé in Supertest

    Brakes have always been the weakest link on most BMW performance cars, including the M cars.

     


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    Re: BMW Alpina B3 Biturbo Coupé in Supertest

    RC:
    MKSGR:

    Kreso,

     the DKG with the recent Software update is much better than the old version. However, if I had to rate it against the PDK I would still argue that PDK is better, primarily for two reasons:

     - downshifts in Auto mode on Kick-down are faster with PDK (for example if you travel in 7th gear and fully apply the accelerator PDK shifts to 3rd gear in a nano-second... DKG shifts from 7th to 5th extremely fast and then takes .25s or so to do another shift to 4th).

    - The 997 with PDK reacts more directly to throttle movements at slow speeds (inner city driving etc.). However, this might be more a problem of the M3 engine  than DKG.

    Having said that DKG is still a very nice piece of engineering Smiley Former disadvantages (e.g. slow ractions to manual down-shifts) have been eliminated with the software upgrade.

     Other impressions of the M3 so far are (the car is on winter tires right now, thus any experience regarding the suspension is limited!):

    - Agile, turns in quickly

    - Steering feels a bit synthetic compared to 997

    - Brakes are great (so far)

    - Nice level of comfort in Comfort mode

    - Rear feels quite "light" under full acceleration (however, these 235 winter tires are really too narrow for 420hp)

    - The car shifts quite quickly from understeer to oversteer in fast AB bends; the car always makes you aware of its conceptual limitations - a 997 feels much more stable and reliable (however, as I mentioned, this comment is currently limited tothe M3 on winter tires!).

     My overall conclusion: the M3 is a great package, fun to drive and somehow a nice mixture between a sporty limousine (like the A8 W12) and a 997. Fully recommended Smiley

    I fully agree with one exception though (due to the heavier weight of the M3 Cabriolet): the braking system on my wife's M3 Cab is horrible, absolutely not good enough for such a heavy car. What may be OK with the lighter Coupe and Limousine, is a pain in the a.. on the Cab. Smiley A fast Autobahn drive and the brake gets soft and starts rubbing.
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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, Cayenne Turbo S, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW
    That sounds bad Smiley Hopefully it is just the weight difference and not my style of driving (slowslowslow SmileySmileySmiley).

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    200 kg more weight & the same brake system? This can't be good. Smiley
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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, Cayenne Turbo S, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW

    Re: BMW Alpina B3 Biturbo Coupé in Supertest

    temm:

    I thought this was a quite interesting test in AMS:

     

    1. BMW Alpina B3

    Fazit:

    Hochdynamisch, komfortabel, effizient und preisgünstig besiegt der B3 mit seinem Dreiliter-Reihensechser die geballte Werks-Macht.

    484 von 650 Punkten

    2. BMW M3 Coupé

    Fazit:

    Nur Zweiter, aber immer noch die erste Wahl für sensible Sportfahrer, die Ansprache, Präzision, Driftspaß und viel Emotionalität suchen.

    453 von 650 Punkten

    3. Mercedes C 63 AMG

    Fazit:

    Das optisch und akustisch größte Showcar im Vergleich. Wer ihn fordert, erlebt große Dynamik, aber auch hohen Spritverbrauch und herben Komfort.

    1. 432 von 650 Punkten

    http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/tests/vergleichstest/hxcms_article_510006_13987,testwertung.hbs

     

    Here are the test results from this test:

     


     
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