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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    Boxster Coupe GTS:

    As an aside, at the Frankfurt Motor Show the new Lamborghini Gallardo will be unveiled with a manual gearbox (also available on the next generation Audi R8) -- Porsche are understandably keen to maintain an appropriate range of GT models for cater for both new PDK drivers and their existing GT3 and GT3 RS customer base.

    Smiley SmileySmiley

    Gallardo replacement(Cabrera maybe...) will be presented early next year and it will be DCT only. I have pretty accurate info here(doc that I saw is sourced directly from Lambo).

    BTW, 458 MC is coming at Frankfurt-around 620ps and upgraded suspension/brakes.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    KresoF1:
     

    According to his direct words about Boxster GTS suggestions/predictions about 991 GT3 RS:

    -no

    -not possible

    -not at all

    So, read between the lines.Smiley

    BTW, other remark that my P source made:"Most car press members that are complaining about PDK only in GT3 are from English language based magazines(read UK and USA). For example in Italy nobody in interested in good old stick gearbox for true sportscars. Interesting is the claim that only real men can drive manual??"

     

    Smiley I think it has something to do with the "perception" of a manual gearbox in the US. In Germany (and most of Europe for that matter), people learn to drive...stick and they usually drive stick (manual) because cars with manual are cheaper, more affordable. In the US, most cars have an automatic transmission, so those who know how to drive stick actually feel special. Some would say "manly" or whatever. Smiley I get it, it is somehow special if 90% of the people around you probably don't know how to do it but this mentality doesn't seem to consider the fact that manual in professional racing sport has died a long time ago and in the remaining classes, it dies a slow death too.

    So if someone claims he drives manual because he enjoys it, I get it. I truly do. However, if someone tells me that he is a serious and ambitious sports car driver, especially on the track, I do not get manual at all. It makes you slower. Smiley That said, I really think you are right, it seems to be a mentality thing. Also, it seems that in Germany, there are people who want manual too but considering those I met so far, they usually own older sports cars and of course you always love and sustain the stuff you have, right? Smiley

    Give it time: As soon as less talented drivers achieve in their 991 GT3 PDK the same or even better lap times than more talented drivers in their older cars, the mentality will change and shift towards PDK. It is just a matter of time...

    I remember a 996 GT3 driver who was surprised how fast a guy in his 991 Carrera S with PDK was during a driver ed event. He had a couple of years track experience, the 991 driver only a couple of months and the times were identical, which upset the GT3 driver a lot.  Of course the 991 is the more modern car and the 996 GT3 isn't exactly a highlight of the GT3 family but still, you get my point.

    As to the Cabrera and R8: I heard a rumor that there was some sort of comparison event for a certain group of people with the new Cabrera, R8, 991 Turbo S and other sports cars. According to what I heard, the 991 Turbo S won the most "points" in the comparison, which apparently didn't refer only to performance but also daily driver capabilities, etc.. Still...pretty impressive.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S (Sept. 2013), Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2013)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    KresoF1:
    Boxster Coupe GTS:

    As an aside, at the Frankfurt Motor Show the new Lamborghini Gallardo will be unveiled with a manual gearbox (also available on the next generation Audi R8) -- Porsche are understandably keen to maintain an appropriate range of GT models for cater for both new PDK drivers and their existing GT3 and GT3 RS customer base.

    Smiley SmileySmiley

    Gallardo replacement(Cabrera maybe...) will be presented early next year and it will be DCT only. I have pretty accurate info here(doc that I saw is sourced directly from Lambo).

    BTW, 458 MC is coming at Frankfurt-around 620ps and upgraded suspension/brakes.

    Thanks - I was hopeful (but skeptical) that the Lambo would have manual option.  If the 458MC keeps 4.5L w/ 620hp, that would be 138hp/L (making the GT3 at 125 seem somewhat tame).


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    GT3 in Guards Red


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    For all the RTeamers! If I can I'll post more later...


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    Nice! What is the source?


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    after seeing those pics in red i have to go out and take a calming drive in my new fiat 458. otherwise i go crazy for not having ordered the GT3 991 instead. such a beautiful and mighty car...you guys will be more than happy and rave about it...for me it will be GT3 991 gen 2 in 5 years time...enjoy, peter


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    Porsche 991 GT3 at Goodwood Festival of Speed... burnout.gif

    Porsche 991 GT3 at Goodwood Festival of Speed -- Video Link

    ...driven by Andreas Preuninger, Manager High Performance Cars! driving.gif

    Smiley SmileySmiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    That guards red is the sex


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    991 GT3 incoming, 964 Turbo 3.6, E36 M3 ltw S54 conversion, bunch of other stuff


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A6uCbr5srA

     

     

    found this 44 min ago in youtube


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    Red is the BEST.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    sulaiman:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A6uCbr5srA

     

     

    found this 44 min ago in youtube

     

    Thanks for that. Its the first RHD 991 GT3 we have seen. Still looks fresh in white. Grumpy sounding idle (love it!)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    sulaiman:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A6uCbr5srA

    ...that GT3 sounds great! burnout.gif


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    SciFrog:

    Red is the BEST.

    I truly think that guards red and white are the best colors so far for the new GT3. 


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S (Sept. 2013), Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2013)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    EVO review in the UK: http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/290404/2013_porsche_911_gt3_review.html


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    1987 911 Carrera 3.2 - 1992 964 Carrera 2 - 2012 Cayenne Diesel - 2010 Abarth 500 - 1995 BMW318ti


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    at the end of the video,seems to be in heaven....

    Porsches everywhere...Smiley


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    997TT RS Tuning stage II(sold),2011 Cayenne Turbo


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    Now in Rhodium Silver...

     

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    Some more of GT3:

    2014-porsche-911-gt3-photo-528279-s-1280x782.jpg2014-porsche-911-gt3-photo-528278-s-1280x782.jpg2014-porsche-911-gt3-photo-528287-s-1280x782.jpg2014-porsche-911-gt3-photo-528281-s-1280x782.jpg2014-porsche-911-gt3-photo-528276-s-1280x782.jpg2014-porsche-911-gt3-photo-528289-s-1280x782.jpg


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    What I find interesting is the article states that Porsche believes most buyers of the GT3 will order the $9400 PCCB's. If the internet is any judge, Porsche will be very disappointed. Not many buyers who spec'ed their cars have ordered the PCCB's. I certainly will not. In fact, it is almost unanimous that PCCB's are not worthy of track work.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    also in silver...angel


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    997TT RS Tuning stage II(sold),2011 Cayenne Turbo


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    nberry:

    What I find interesting is the article states that Porsche believes most buyers of the GT3 will order the $9400 PCCB's. If the internet is any judge, Porsche will be very disappointed. Not many buyers who spec'ed their cars have ordered the PCCB's. I certainly will not. In fact, it is almost unanimous that PCCB's are not worthy of track work.

    Nick, PCCB's are great.  They are the only item on my 997S (nine years old) which have been extremely reliable.  I've never had to have my brakes repaired.  Maybe you can offset the price of repairs against the $9400 price tag.  If you're not keeping your GT3 too long, maybe you can offset the price you would sell the car for, against the $9400 price tag.

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    nberry:

     it is almost unanimous that PCCB's are not worthy of track work.

    The Gen I PCCB's were downright dangerous at the track.  Since, they have been steadily improving.  The new ones are gigantic 410mm x 36mm in front and 390mm rear, I think.  It's possible that they will now be very good on the track (but not everlasting as they market them).


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    Alan, very few people who have had cars with PCCB's have found worth the cost. They certainly look better, easier to clean and more durably for DD driving. But as you alluded to earlier, I have no intention to keep the car beyond a couple of years. On resale most buyers will be track enthusiast and if they are informed, they would not buy a GT3 which has PCCB's. I doubt very much I would get the money back from them. 


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    nberry:

    Alan, very few people who have had cars with PCCB's have found worth the cost. They certainly look better, easier to clean and more durably for DD driving. But as you alluded to earlier, I have no intention to keep the car beyond a couple of years. On resale most buyers will be track enthusiast and if they are informed, they would not buy a GT3 which has PCCB's. I doubt very much I would get the money back from them. 

    I agree, for extensive track driving, PCCB may not be the best choice but I also heard that PCCB has been improved, especially track durability, so maybe someone needs to give it a shot to see if this is true. Smiley On the other hand, there is no better brake for spirited street driving and casual track fun, the precise breaking point/feel is amazing.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S (Sept. 2013), Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2013)



    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    oh!! my links are broken...mail well, some of them...

    Allen.gif


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    nberry:

    Top Gear review. Christian cancel your TTS order.indecision

    http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/porsche-911-gt3-first-drive-2013-07-24?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ong...

    Because of these last words? 

    The problem for Porsche is that this wider repertoire starts to bring the GT3 into Turbo territory. I can see Turbo sales suffering a bit as a result. It costs £100,540 and I think that's a complete bargain.

    First, Top Gear hasn't driven the 991 Turbo S yet and second, the 991 Turbo S is a different type of car for a different type of audience. Put the same halfway skilled driver in a 991 Turbo S and a 991 GT3 and he will always be faster in the 991 Turbo S. The GT3 requires a good and experienced driver, some buyers will be disappointed that a talented driver in his BMW M5 may give them a run for their money on the track. On the street, the GT3 stands no chance vs. the 991 Turbo S but this is a completely different story. 


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S (Sept. 2013), Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2013)


     
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