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    Re: Performanca data 550HP RUF 997TT TIP

    0-300=33.6 it was just with ecu(5000km) .. we tryed stock 997TT(2000km) the time was 40.3 s(0-300) .. also we tryed stock 997tt with (15,000km) with hard use the time was 35.1(0-300) s!! .. the 997tt after 12,000km will be another car ! ..also we tryed C6Z06 (6000km) the time was 41.9(100-300)=0-300=41.9+3.9=45.8s !! .. i have the graphs for all this cars but i cant but it because its my friends cars not my cars

    Re: Performanca data 550HP RUF 997TT TIP

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    CGT1178 said:
    0-300=33.6 it was just with ecu(5000km) .. we tryed stock 997TT(2000km) the time was 40.3 s(0-300) .. also we tryed stock 997tt with (15,000km) with hard use the time was 35.1(0-300) s!! .. the 997tt after 12,000km will be another car ! ..also we tryed C6Z06 (6000km) the time was 41.9(100-300)=0-300=41.9+3.9=45.8s !! .. i have the graphs for all this cars but i cant but it because its my friends cars not my cars



    Wait... Are you saying that the Turbo will do 0-300 km/h in 35 seconds after 15.000 kilometres? I truly find that hard to believe. Are you sure it wasn't chipped?

    Re: Performanca data 550HP RUF 997TT TIP

    i dont know if it helps but look at this.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqHeJFGOqJA

    my car from 110 - 298(after that i "cut" the power.)
    with 2000 km and the surface wasnt the best one. the surface was a litlle irregular.

    speedo 200-298 about 20 seconds..

    Re: Performanca data 550HP RUF 997TT TIP

    im sure 100% .. manual with overboost :

    Re: Performanca data 550HP RUF 997TT TIP

    C6 Z06 graph :

    Re: Performanca data 550HP RUF 997TT TIP

    The Z06 just dies after 250kph

    Re: Performanca data 550HP RUF 997TT TIP

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    CGT1178 said:
    0-300=33.6 it was just with ecu(5000km) .. we tryed stock 997TT(2000km) the time was 40.3 s(0-300) .. also we tryed stock 997tt with (15,000km) with hard use the time was 35.1(0-300) s!! .. the 997tt after 12,000km will be another car ! ..also we tryed C6Z06 (6000km) the time was 41.9(100-300)=0-300=41.9+3.9=45.8s !! .. i have the graphs for all this cars but i cant but it because its my friends cars not my cars



    Honestly, some of the numbers you have posted (here and in other posts re. CGT) are a bit strange...

    Re: Performanca data 550HP RUF 997TT TIP

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    CGT1178 said:
    im sure 100% .. manual with overboost :



    Impossible for a stock 997TT. It seems that your measurement equipment does not produce correct results This would also explain your very high expectations regarding CGT

    Re: Performanca data 550HP RUF 997TT TIP

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    MKSGR said:
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    CGT1178 said:
    im sure 100% .. manual with overboost :



    Impossible for a stock 997TT. It seems that your measurement equipment does not produce correct results This would also explain your very high expectations regarding CGT



    Markus, I would have said the same thing, but for the results of the other stock Turbo and the Z06, which are almost identical with the times from the Nardo comparison.

    Re: Performanca data 550HP RUF 997TT TIP

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    Crash said:
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    MKSGR said:
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    CGT1178 said:
    im sure 100% .. manual with overboost :



    Impossible for a stock 997TT. It seems that your measurement equipment does not produce correct results This would also explain your very high expectations regarding CGT



    Markus, I would have said the same thing, but for the results of the other stock Turbo and the Z06, which are almost identical to the times from the Nardo comparison.



    Maybe the test equipment was not adjusted properly in certain tests? The 35s for a stock 997TT is impossible

    Re: Performanca data 550HP RUF 997TT TIP

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    xandi911 said:
    i dont know if it helps but look at this.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqHeJFGOqJA

    my car from 110 - 298(after that i "cut" the power.)
    with 2000 km and the surface wasnt the best one. the surface was a litlle irregular.

    speedo 200-298 about 20 seconds..



    it can be true..

    look my video. well we are talking about the speedo but 20 seconds from 200-298. add more 1 or 2 sec til 300.
    then more 12,13 seconds from 0 to 200.
    22+13= 35 seconds.

    im not considering the place that i choose that is so much irregular.....

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    MKSGR said:
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    Crash said:
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    MKSGR said:
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    CGT1178 said:
    im sure 100% .. manual with overboost :



    Impossible for a stock 997TT. It seems that your measurement equipment does not produce correct results This would also explain your very high expectations regarding CGT



    Markus, I would have said the same thing, but for the results of the other stock Turbo and the Z06, which are almost identical to the times from the Nardo comparison.



    Maybe the test equipment was not adjusted properly in certain tests? The 35s for a stock 997TT is impossible



    Yes, logic dictates that I must agree with you. I just hope we don't come out looking like incredulous assholes when all those 35-second Turbos start smoking SLRs and Murcielagos .

    Re: Performanca data 550HP RUF 997TT TIP

    weren't the Nardo tests done at much higher temps than 17C? It could make a good 2-3 second difference. Higher IAT's cause the ecu to pull back on the timing and thus give up power

    Re: Performanca data 550HP RUF 997TT TIP

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    eclou said:
    weren't the Nardo tests done at much higher temps than 17C? It could make a good 2-3 second difference. Higher IAT's cause the ecu to pull back on the timing and thus give up power



    Not sure of the air temps, but the times for the Turbo and Z06 match, it's only the run-in Turbo that deviates so much. Of course your explanation may well be correct, since I have no clue what the ambient temperatures were during the test.

    Re: Performanca data 550HP RUF 997TT TIP

    There seems to be a problem with the 997TT data at the point of 26 seconds. There is a clear hickup with the long Gs and altitude (dropping) at the same time, as well as a speed dip, typical of a signal problem or datalogger movement. Not saying this is what happened, but a close up would make it clearer.

    CGT, you can fix the long G scale from -0.4 to +1 for example on all your graphs, that would make all these charts less painful to read.

    Also showing the altitude scale would be meaningful to any of the posted data. The slopes on the Corvette and the TT are not the same, different roads.

    The 250-300kph time is close to the RUF 550 time, which is quite unlikely, but then again, reading the data is almost impossible here.

    Re: Performanca data 550HP RUF 997TT TIP

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    eclou said:
    weren't the Nardo tests done at much higher temps than 17C? It could make a good 2-3 second difference. Higher IAT's cause the ecu to pull back on the timing and thus give up power



    The AMS High-Speed test of the 997TT was done at a VW test track in Germany last year. The result was a 40.x figure...

    Re: Performanca data 550HP RUF 997TT TIP

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    GT2ETR said:
    There seems to be a problem with the 997TT data at the point of 26 seconds. There is a clear hickup with the long Gs and altitude (dropping) at the same time, as well as a speed dip, typical of a signal problem or datalogger movement. Not saying this is what happened, but a close up would make it clearer.





    Re: Performanca data 550HP RUF 997TT TIP

    i use performance box .. if any one have 997tt with 15,000km (hard use) buy the performance box and try .. when we reach 312-314km/h in the speedo the pbox still 299-300km/h .. for the 997tt(15,000km):
    0-100=4.1s
    0-200=12.3
    0-250=20.14s
    0-300=35.1s
    1/4 mile=12.1s
    0-1000m=21.54 (257.29km/h)

    Re: Performanca data 550HP RUF 997TT TIP

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    MKSGR said:
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    GT2ETR said:
    There seems to be a problem with the 997TT data at the point of 26 seconds. There is a clear hickup with the long Gs and altitude (dropping) at the same time, as well as a speed dip, typical of a signal problem or datalogger movement. Not saying this is what happened, but a close up would make it clearer.








    it`s a big drop in the street ..

    Re: Performanca data 550HP RUF 997TT TIP

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    CGT1178 said:
    i use performance box .. if any one have 997tt with 15,000km (hard use) buy the performance box and try .. when we reach 312-314km/h in the speedo the pbox still 299-300km/h .. for the 997tt(15,000km):
    0-100=4.1s
    0-200=12.3
    0-250=20.14s
    0-300=35.1s
    1/4 mile=12.1s
    0-1000m=21.54 (257.29km/h)


    CGT I believe this is an indication that something is wrong. Your 100-200kph is reasonable, about 1 second slower than the RUF whereas your 250-300kph is almost the same at ca. 14 s. where the RUF should be pulling strongest, a 1 second advantage in 100-200kph should translate to a few more seconds over a 250-300kph speed range, except if the RUF is grossly heating which I believe would not be the case.

    The dip mentioned earlier at about 270kph might be the explanation. Can you zoom in and post the graph from 250-300kph only and fixing the G and altitude scale? It will take a second to confirm.

    The Performance box is a good tool, however a quick loss in satellite signals or sudden accidental movement (bump) will fool the data temporarily. You need to make sure you use an external antenna to reduce the chances (if you don't already).

    Up to 5% speedo error is within specs..

    Re: Performanca data 550HP RUF 997TT TIP

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    GT2ETR said:
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    CGT1178 said:
    i use performance box .. if any one have 997tt with 15,000km (hard use) buy the performance box and try .. when we reach 312-314km/h in the speedo the pbox still 299-300km/h .. for the 997tt(15,000km):
    0-100=4.1s
    0-200=12.3
    0-250=20.14s
    0-300=35.1s
    1/4 mile=12.1s
    0-1000m=21.54 (257.29km/h)


    CGT I believe this is an indication that something is wrong. Your 100-200kph is reasonable, about 1 second slower than the RUF whereas your 250-300kph is almost the same at ca. 14 s. where the RUF should be pulling strongest, a 1 second advantage in 100-200kph should translate to a few more seconds over a 250-300kph speed range, except if the RUF is grossly heating which I believe would not be the case.

    The dip mentioned earlier at about 270kph might be the explanation. Can you zoom in and post the graph from 250-300kph only and fixing the G and altitude scale? It will take a second to confirm.

    The Performance box is a good tool, however a quick loss in satellite signals or sudden accidental movement (bump) will fool the data temporarily. You need to make sure you use an external antenna to reduce the chances (if you don't already).

    Up to 5% speedo error is within specs..



    Also, it is not only the strange 0-300 figure of the above 997TT that raises concerns regarding the accuracy of the tests. The claimed CGT performance of 26-27s for 0-300 is also far better than everything which is known today (from other experiences, magazine tests etc.).

    I would argue that each of the above test results is unlikely. The combination of both is extremely unlikely. Thus, an error in the test equipment or similar could be a likely explanation

    Re: Performanca data 550HP RUF 997TT TIP

    You need to make sure you use an external antenna to reduce the chances (if you don't already).

    i have it ,, also i put it out side the car ,, what i will do more than that .. i im sure the number was right because i have 2 runs for this car .. trust me you will find same this numbers if you reach 15,000 with the 997tt (with hard usssseee) ..there is one thing when we were testing this car the wind was with us (around 30km/h) .. also the c6z06

    Re: Performanca data 550HP RUF 997TT TIP

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    MKSGR said:
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    GT2ETR said:
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    CGT1178 said:
    i use performance box .. if any one have 997tt with 15,000km (hard use) buy the performance box and try .. when we reach 312-314km/h in the speedo the pbox still 299-300km/h .. for the 997tt(15,000km):
    0-100=4.1s
    0-200=12.3
    0-250=20.14s
    0-300=35.1s
    1/4 mile=12.1s
    0-1000m=21.54 (257.29km/h)


    CGT I believe this is an indication that something is wrong. Your 100-200kph is reasonable, about 1 second slower than the RUF whereas your 250-300kph is almost the same at ca. 14 s. where the RUF should be pulling strongest, a 1 second advantage in 100-200kph should translate to a few more seconds over a 250-300kph speed range, except if the RUF is grossly heating which I believe would not be the case.

    The dip mentioned earlier at about 270kph might be the explanation. Can you zoom in and post the graph from 250-300kph only and fixing the G and altitude scale? It will take a second to confirm.

    The Performance box is a good tool, however a quick loss in satellite signals or sudden accidental movement (bump) will fool the data temporarily. You need to make sure you use an external antenna to reduce the chances (if you don't already).

    Up to 5% speedo error is within specs..



    Also, it is not only the strange 0-300 figure of the above 997TT that raises concerns regarding the accuracy of the tests. The claimed CGT performance of 26-27s for 0-300 is also far better than everything which is known today (from other experiences, magazine tests etc.).

    I would argue that each of the above test results is unlikely. The combination of both is extremely unlikely. Thus, an error in the test equipment or similar could be a likely explanation


    when i use the speedo they told me the numbers was wrong you must buy the performance box (all the magazine and tuners use it) .. i bougth it and i put the graph .. again you told me the numbers was wrong !! .. i will not put any graph after now (not important) .. but i know all my numbers was righ .. i test around 20 cars with this performance box and all the numbers was right (CGT,3 997TT , RS4 2007 ,CL 600 2007 , bently C GT 2006 , 3 range rover sport ,C6 Z06 , gallardo with exhaust ,,, etc)

    Re: Performanca data 550HP RUF 997TT TIP

    Where can I get this performance box? And in order to use it I don't need to install wires into the car etc?

    Re: Performanca data 550HP RUF 997TT TIP

    You dont need wires... Checkk it out here...
    http://www.performancebox.co.uk/

    Re: Performanca data 550HP RUF 997TT TIP

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    CGT1178 said:
    i will not put any graph after now (not important) .. but i know all my numbers was righ .. i test around 20 cars with this performance box and all the numbers was right (CGT,3 997TT , RS4 2007 ,CL 600 2007 , bently C GT 2006 , 3 range rover sport ,C6 Z06 , gallardo with exhaust ,,, etc)


    CGT 1178

    Of course it is your prerogative but it is understandable that when numbers are outside the norm people question them, these tools are very accurate but not infallible.

    Would you agree that something went wrong on the 997TT run around the 26 second mark?

    It is only a matter of posting a more legible graph with some more information for all to understand what happened and whether it could have had an impact on the numbers, or maybe not, regardless of the outcome really.

    Sorry this has diverted from the original discussion about the RUF 550's outstanding numbers, I hope we see some graphs on that run as well just like CGT 1178 did..

    Re: Performanca data 550HP RUF 997TT TIP

    Don't get discouraged. This is a tough and mostly competent crowd to convince - especially by unusually optimistic performance figures.

    The TT is very sensitive to octane level and temperatures. Favorable wind conditions will also make a big difference at high (300kmh) speeds. I suppose one could make a pass in each direction (as per Bonneville Salt Flats) and calculate the average. Do magazines do that?

    Getting back to the original topic - RUF 550HP mod, it might just be faster than the GT2/599/LP640/CGT etc. What more can anyone ask for?

    Re: Performanca data 550HP RUF 997TT TIP

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    Nick_Athens said:
    You dont need wires... Checkk it out here...
    http://www.performancebox.co.uk/



    Ok thx Nick, just ordered one

    Re: Performanca data 550HP RUF 997TT TIP

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    mp said:
    Getting back to the original topic - RUF 550HP mod, it might just be faster than the GT2/599/LP640/CGT etc. What more can anyone ask for?



    A 997GT2 with the ECU flashed.

    Re: Performanca data 550HP RUF 997TT TIP

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    Turbo Al said:
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    mp said:
    Getting back to the original topic - RUF 550HP mod, it might just be faster than the GT2/599/LP640/CGT etc. What more can anyone ask for?



    A 997GT2 with the ECU flashed.



    A 997 GT2 with the Ruf 700 package for nuts like you, Al .

     
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