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    997 GT2 Sport Auto Supertest...

    ...is in today issue...


    Results?

    Soon...

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    KresoF1 said:
    ...is in today issue...


    Results?

    Soon...



    I just remembered... I have to run to the newsstand .

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    7.33 min laptime....

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    Just_me said:
    7.33 min laptime....



    HvS basically as fast as WR ?

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    Just_me said:
    7.33 min laptime....





    Are you kidding? That is DEFINITELY not what I had expected.

    I think MKSGR is going to buy himself a new car .

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    Hockenheim times

    1:10.0* -- 133.714 km/h - Porsche 997 GT2, 530 PS/1497 kg (sport auto 11/07) *estimated
    1:16.8 --- 121.875 km/h - BMW M5, 507 PS/1867 kg (sport auto 11/07)
    1:18.4 --- 119.387 km/h - Irmscher Ople GT, 315 PS/1394 kg (sport auto 11/07)
    1:18.5 --- 119.236 km/h - Mercedes CLS 63 AMG, 514 PS/1958 kg (sport auto 11/07)
    1:21.0 --- 115.556 km/h - Audi A3 Sportback 3.2 quattro, 250 PS/1632 kg (sport auto 11/07)

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    what???7.33 official by HVS???

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    7.33min 163.708km/h

    Hockenheim time is 1.10,0min but, it is estimated time since not all track sectors were free on the testing day. They will repeat that soon so we will see(maybe even high 1.09,XXmin time)...

    0-100km/h: 3.8s
    0-160km/h: 7.7s
    0-200km/h:11.5s

    Slalom 18m: 72.6km/h
    Slalom 36m:139.0km/h

    110m : 157km/h

    Weight: 1497kg

    Wet handling: 1.29,7min!!!(this is way faster then 997 Turbo)

    Re: 997 GT2 Sport Auto Supertest...

    From another board:


    Nurburgring: 7:33 --- 163.708 km/h

    as fast as the Zonfa F and only a second slower than the CGT, the 530 bhp Porsche GT2 clearly demonstrates what is is capable of, a perfect handling and the highest limits for the road-going and most powerful 911 ever!


    Hockenheim short track: 1:10.0* -- 133.714 km/h

    time is only an estimation as not all the sectors were available for testting that day. But this time is abloutely realistic, a 2nd test will show if it is a low 10 or a high 9 at the end.

    thsi would be faster than the Zonda F and nearly as fast as the CGT, Koenisgegg CCR or the TechArt GT street before.


    0-200-0 km/h: 16.3 secs.

    evenb w/o launch control is has a lot of traction and so lines up with the even more powerful LP640 and is faster than CLK DTM AMG or Ford GT


    aerodynmaics:

    cd=0.32
    9 kg and 29 kg downforce at 200 km/h in front/rear

    very well balanced, even though it produces so much downforce it reaches a top speed of 330 km/h, the aerodynmic setup also explains the perfect handling and stability at sppeds above 200 km/h


    max. lat. accelewration: 1.35g

    suspension works perfect, it shows absolutexl no obersteer and always alows a perfect control of the car in motion.

    1.35g with Michelin Pilot Cup sport tyres is the same level as the CGT, Gallardo SL, F430


    specs:
    530 PS at 6,500 rpm
    680 Nm at 4,500 rpm
    3,600 ccm
    147.2 PS/litre

    Michelin Pilot Cup sport
    235/35 ZR 19 and 325/30 ZR 19 in front/rear

    380/350 mm ventilated ceramic disk brakes in front/rear

    MSRP: 189,496 EUR

    1497 kg
    357 bhp/ton

    0-100 km/h: 3.8 s
    0-160 km/h: 7.7 s
    0-200 km/h: 11.5 s

    Vmax: 329 km/h


    18m slalom: 72.6 km/h

    36m slalom: 139 km/h

    faster and so better handling than the CCR (138 km/h), Zonda F (137 km/h) Gallardo SL (136 km/h)


    110m evasion test: 157 km/h

    a perfect 10, as good handling and respodning as the CGT, even better than the GT street or LP640, only beaten by the Zonda F (159 km/h), the CCR (158 km/h) and 997 GT3 (158 km/h)


    wet handling: 1:29.7

    again, a perfect handling but due to turbo boost not as neutral as expected
    LP 640 (1:29.2
    Z06 (1:30.3)
    997 Turbo (1:31.6)
    599 GTB (1:31.8)


    verdict: 78 out of 80 possible pts.

    best result ever, the most powerful and best handling 911 ever opens anew chapter in history, best result ever in sport auto supertest, taking the lead on front of the CGT and GT3 RS (both 77 pts.), the LP650 (76), the Zonda F (75) and the CCR (74)

    a perfect 10, a prefect super sportscar for the dialy driver, very reliable, easy to to control, offering a lot of fun

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    awesome times,thanks Kreso!was fully loaded this gt2,isn't it?

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    andrea said:
    awesome times,thanks Kreso!was fully loaded this gt2,isn't it?



    Yes, it is.

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    andrea said:
    awesome times,thanks Kreso!was fully loaded this gt2,isn't it?



    thanks to you too

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    7:33 and 1:10...nothing more to add, the king is back.
    Apparently Porsche took the criticism regarding the GT3 and Turbo chassis very seriously. I suspect that the improvement(s), mainly in the front axle region, will make it to the GT3 and Turbo too, maybe with the facelift.

    I would love to see how a 997 Turbo RUF 550 or another tuned but NOT suspension modded car performs on the Nordschleife. I suspect a time around 7:40 which would still show the huge advantage regarding the GT2 chassis.

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    RC, can you please ellaborate on the changes of the chasis?

    Thanks

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    RC said:
    7:33 and 1:10...nothing more to add, the king is back.
    Apparently Porsche took the criticism regarding the GT3 and Turbo chassis very seriously. I suspect that the improvement(s), mainly in the front axle region, will make it to the GT3 and Turbo too, maybe with the facelift.

    I would love to see how a 997 Turbo RUF 550 or another tuned but NOT suspension modded car performs on the Nordschleife. I suspect a time around 7:40 which would still show the huge advantage regarding the GT2 chassis.



    Christian,

    PTM is 997 Turbo problem, not chassis(PASM). Look at wet handling numbers... GT2 is way faster with the same Cup tires...

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    RC- so there is a chance that with 997TT mk II, the PTM will be sorted out, more like a 996TT?

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    So the 7:32 which Porsche claimed few months ago isn't a complete BS at all

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    BTW, where are now all Horst von Saurma sceptics

    Few weeks ago:"von Saurma do not know how to drive 997...","997 Turbo is too much for him..." etc.

    So, what are your comments NOW

    I was repeating like a Parrot that GT2 results in von Saurma hands will be truly amazing...

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    KresoF1 said:
    BTW, where are now all Horst von Saurma sceptics

    Few weeks ago:"von Saurma do not know how to drive 997...","997 Turbo is too much for him..." etc.

    So, what are your comments NOW

    I was repeating like a Parrot that GT2 resluts in von Saurma hands will be truly amazing...



    Indeed sudenly everyone recovers faith in SA's laptimes.

    I think they will say that 1) HvS drove properly this time and/or 2) Porsche's marketing is totally trustable and those who do not trust them here on Rennteam are naysayers.

    Re: 997 GT2 Sport Auto Supertest...

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    Mikla said:
    RC, can you please ellaborate on the changes of the chasis?

    Thanks



    For the first time, the 911 GT2 has a toe that can be fine-tuned. This is done through adjustment plates on the bottom
    wishbone and results in high steering precision and a stable straight run.
    The front axle wheel carrier was redeveloped for the new 911 GT2 in order to improve driving stability.
    The new position of the control points for wishbones and the corresponding kinematic changes in spring deflection made it possible to improve the steering and cornering behaviour. The advantages are high straight run and track stability, particularly at high speeds and neutral cornering behaviour.

    According to the driver of the 997 GT2 we "met", the new 997 GT2 has a very neutral chassis setup, there is no understeer at all and oversteer is much easier controllable than in previous models.

    I was very surprised to see the lack of a PSM Off button inside the 997 GT2. Porsche did a very clever thing, they named the same button SC TC Off instead of PSM Off. It is basically the same thing but the 997 GT2 definetely has PSM, even if Porsche doesn't like to call it this way.
    On the GT2 however, turning PSM off (SC and TC Off position) shuts off the PSM completely, it does NOT come on again during braking for example (997 Turbo, 997 Carrera).

    The 997 GT2 is basically a 997 Turbo with 997 GT3 chassis.
    Basically. The engine hasn't been modified much, only the VTG chargers have been modded, the new expansion intake system is also new (basically allowing to keep up with emissions laws/regulations, to keep fuel consumption as low as possible, not necessarily because of the power gain ) and of course the new exhaust system made out of Titan (very likely because of increased heat, not necessarily because of the weight saving of not even 10 kg ).
    Engine is the same, the GT2 has, to my knowledge, the same engine parts like the 997 Turbo, no different conrods, etc.

    There is only one "bad" thing about the new 997 Turbo:
    the VTG chargers and the very high boost pressure. There is no way to actually increase power on this baby without the need of substantial engine/turbo charger mods. The boost pressure is already very high at 1.4 bar, the current VTG chargers don't really "support" any more pressure.

    Meaning: for some people, a tuned 997 Turbo may be the better and cheaper solution, especially for street driving.
    Otherwise, the new 997 GT2 is the hell of a performance machine and a lot of fun. Just can't wait to testdrive it, hopefully before the real snow comes.

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    There was no better way for the KING to return!!!
    Hats down Porsche

    *** Sport Auto - Supertest Lap Times ***

    *** Sport Auto - Supertest Lap Times ***

    (#) Make + Model / Hockenheim / Nordschleife


    (1) Porsche Carrera GT / 1.08,6 min / 7.32 min
    (2) Porsche 911 GT2 (997) ** / 1:10,0 min / 7.33 min
    (3) Pagani Zonda F / 1.10,8 min / 7.33 min
    (4) Koenigsegg CCR / 1.09,8 min / 7.34 min
    (5) TechArt Porsche GT Street / 1.12,3 min / 7.43 min
    (6) Pagani Zonda S / 1.11,8 min / 7.44 min
    (7) Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera / 1.10,09 min / 7.46 min
    (8) Porsche 911 GT2 (996) / 1.12,6 min / 7.46 min
    (9) Lamborghini Murcielago LP 640 ** / 1.11,8 min / 7.47 min
    (10) Porsche 911 GT3 RS (996) ** / 1.11,8 min / 7.47 min
    (11) Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano / 1.12,0 min / 7.47 min
    (12) Porsche 911 GT3 RS (997) ** / 1.11,1 min / 7.48 min
    (13) Porsche 911 GT3 (997) ** / 1.11,7 min / 7.48 min
    (14) Porsche 911 GT3 Cup (996) ** / 1.09,1 min / 7.49 min
    (15) Corvette Z06 / 1.11,7 min / 7.49 min
    (16) Lamborghini Murciélago / 1.12,0 min / 7.50 min
    (17) BMW M3 CSL ** / 1.13,5 min / 7.50 min
    (18) Lamborghini Gallardo / 1.11,8 min / 7.52 min
    (19) Mercedes SLR McLaren / 1.13,5 min / 7.52 min
    (20) Ford GT / 1.14,1 min / 7.52 min
    (21) Porsche 911 Turbo (997) / 1.11,9 min / 7.54 min
    (22) Mercedes CLK DTM AMG ** / 1.12,5 min / 7.54 min
    (23) Porsche 911 GT3 (996) / 1.13,2 min / 7.54 min
    (24) Ferrari F 430 F1 / 1.12,7 min / 7.55 min
    (25) Ferrari Challenge Stradale ** / 1.13,0 min / 7.56 min
    (26) Porsche 911 Turbo (996) / 1.14,6 min / 7.56 min
    (27) Lotec Porsche 911 Turbo / 1.12,3 min / 7.57 min
    (28) AC Schnitzer Tension ** / 1.13,5 min / 7.57 min
    (29) Alfa Romeo 156 GTA / 1.22,7 min / 8,51 min
    (30) Aston Martin V8 Vantage ** / 1.14,8 min / 8.03 min
    (31) Porsche 911 GT3 (996) / 1.14,9 min / 8.03 min
    (32) Audi R8 / 1.12,7 min / 8.04 min
    (33) Lamborghini Diabolo GT / 1.14,4 min / 8.04 min
    (34) Porsche 911 Carrera S (997) / 1.14,3 min / 8.05 min
    (35) Ferrari 575M Maranello / 1.14,7 min / 8.05 min
    (36) Mercedes SL 55 AMG / 1.15,9 min / 8.06 min
    (37) Ferrari 550 Maranello / 1.16,1 min / 8.07 min
    (38) BMW M6 ** / 1.14,4 min / 8.09 min
    (39) Honda NSX-R ** / 1.14,6 min / 8.09 min
    (40) Ferrari 360 Modena / 1.15,1 min / 8.09 min
    (41) Audi RS 4 ** / 1.15,4 min / 8.09 min
    (42) Lamborghini Diabolo SV / 1.16,4 min / 8.09 min
    (43) Donkervoort D8 180R / 1.14,1 min / 8.10 min
    (44) Chrysler Viper GTS / 1.15,9 min / 8.10 min
    (45) Porsche 911 Turbo (993) / 1.14,1 min / 8.12 min
    (46) Porsche 911 Turbo Werkstuning (993) / 1.14,3 min / 8.12 min
    (47) Dodge Viper SRT-10 / 1.14,3 min / 8.13 min
    (48) Lotus Esprit Sport 350 / 1.15,3 min / 8.13 min
    (49) BMW M5 / 1.16,5 min / 8.13 min
    (50) Mercedes SL 65 AMG / 1.15,6 min / 8.14 min

    ** with sports tyres



    Re: 997 GT2 Sport Auto Supertest...

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    RC said:

    There is only one "bad" thing about the new 997 Turbo:
    the VTG chargers and the very high boost pressure. There is no way to actually increase power on this baby without the need of substantial engine/turbo charger mods. The boost pressure is already very high at 1.4 bar, the current VTG chargers don't really "support" any more pressure.

    Meaning: for some people, a tuned 997 Turbo may be the better and cheaper solution, especially for street driving.





    Thanks for the info!

    Fully agree about the Turbo is the best sports car for streets.

    1.4 bar seems very high boost already, so what do you think Porsche will do to increase the hp on the face-lifed Turbo.

    DFI?

    Hopefully the new Turbo will also have improved PTM and what you mention above the chassis.

    And I have heard there will be no wart/Sport button require for the new Turbo just like the new GT2. Did you heard anything like that?


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    KresoF1 said:
    BTW, where are now all Horst von Saurma sceptics




    Kreso, wasn't it you who can claim the copyright for "Horst von Slowly"

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    BTW, I said Horst "Nicht Immer so Schnell" von Saurma... Somebody else hold a copyright for "von Slowly"... But, I did not say that he is a bad driver unlike some members here...

    Re: 997 GT2 Sport Auto Supertest...

    Thanks for posting the Supertest article.....

    Why does the test car weigh 1497kg, where do the extra 57kg come from ?

    Re: 997 GT2 Sport Auto Supertest...

    What a monster this 997 gt2....

     
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