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    Aug 16, 2006 9:41:38 AM

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    Dan Neil reviews Porsche's 911 Turbo for 2007

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    Porsche's 911 Turbo for 2007, the class of its class, simply laughs at lag.
    DAN NEIL
    August 16, 2006

    IT'S taken me this long to recognize what I love about a Porsche 911 Turbo. And no, it's not the internal-combustion volcanism - now up to 480 hp in the 2007 model - or the claws-in-the-carpet grip, the carbide-steel stiffness, the perfect steering or land-anchor ceramic brakes.

    It's this: The 911 Turbo is the only ultra-performance sports car that's in good taste.

    http://www.latimes.com/classified/automotive/highway1/la-hy-neil16aug16,0,327997.story

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    Aug 16, 2006 10:12:51 AM

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    here's the corrected link

    http://www.latimes.com/classified/automotive/highway1/la-hy-neil16aug16,0,327997.story

    Funny little article, this guy understands why I chose the 997tt instead of x,y or z

    Aug 16, 2006 8:05:38 PM

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    Re: Dan Neil reviews Porsche's 911 Turbo for 2007

    Thanks for the article hatch. I subsequently email dan neil asking him about the car's driveability. He said power comes on very mellow and linear from idle to about 3000 rpm and then things happen quickly. Driveability is excellent.

    Aug 16, 2006 8:28:08 PM

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    Re: Dan Neil reviews Porsche's 911 Turbo for 2007

    Thanks for the link hatch. I agree it is a funny and opined article. It describes well the car...At the end I was almost drooling It is definitely a great car.

    Aug 16, 2006 11:42:30 PM

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    Re: Dan Neil reviews Porsche's 911 Turbo for 2007

    I love what he says here:

    "Meanwhile, my vote for the world's sexiest car? A 911 Turbo, slightly lifted, with extreme snow tires and a ski rack on top, covered with road salt and grime, bashing up the road to Whistler in British Columbia. I think I might even kick a dent in one of the new all-aluminum, 22-pound doors. That's filthy hot."

    Aug 17, 2006 5:02:09 AM

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    Re: Dan Neil reviews Porsche's 911 Turbo for 2007

    I agree with his central conclusion, the turbo is the only supercar you can buy in the USA that won't offend nearly everyone who sees you drive it.

    Aug 17, 2006 5:33:31 AM

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    Re: Dan Neil reviews Porsche's 911 Turbo for 2007

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    I agree with his central conclusion, the turbo is the only supercar you can buy in the USA that won't offend nearly everyone who sees you drive it.



    599 would be other alternative, based on criteria of relative anonymity.....599 is easily mistaken for some rather wide Chevy/Nissan/Fiat mongrel.....could argue 997TT's wings/ductwork/blingy wheels/yell calipers are a bit more boy-racerish than the curmudgeonly, low-key, CL-like 599.....though the 599's exhaust note is far more intimidating than the 997TT's.....

    Aug 17, 2006 12:09:36 PM

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    Re: Dan Neil reviews Porsche's 911 Turbo for 2007

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    I agree with his central conclusion, the turbo is the only supercar you can buy in the USA that won't offend nearly everyone who sees you drive it.



    This quote seems to agree with my wife's general observations about car brands and their respective suitability to "our" garage.

    I once approvingly pointed out a Ferrari 430 to her as we walked by its parking spot. She quickly asked me, "If you decide to buy one of those where are you planning to live?"

    That said, she OK'd the Carrera GT because, I guess, that it was "only" a Porsche. Most random passers-by seem to regard the CGT as some sort of flying saucer when they see it.

    Go figure.

    Aug 17, 2006 12:42:26 PM

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    I once approvingly pointed out a Ferrari 430 to her as we walked by its parking spot. She quickly asked me, "If you decide to buy one of those where are you planning to live?"





    Where are you planning to live... As in "not in my house" or we'd have to find a new neighborhood?

    Aug 17, 2006 1:01:56 PM

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    Re: Dan Neil reviews Porsche's 911 Turbo for 2007

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    Quote:
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    I once approvingly pointed out a Ferrari 430 to her as we walked by its parking spot. She quickly asked me, "If you decide to buy one of those where are you planning to live?"





    Where are you planning to live... As in "not in my house" or we'd have to find a new neighborhood?



    lol probably as in "your house which I chose to accept as my house even though you paid for it"

    Aug 17, 2006 6:05:55 PM

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    I once approvingly pointed out a Ferrari 430 to her as we walked by its parking spot. She quickly asked me, "If you decide to buy one of those where are you planning to live?"





    Where are you planning to live... As in "not in my house" or we'd have to find a new neighborhood?



    The implication was that I'd need to make new living arrangements

    She gets her say because she earned her half of our money.

    Aug 17, 2006 7:57:15 PM

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    Re: Dan Neil reviews Porsche's 911 Turbo for 2007

    You're a fortunate man

    Aug 18, 2006 1:18:46 AM

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    Re: Dan Neil reviews Porsche's 911 Turbo for 2007

    Dan Neil is an excellent writer and knows cars. Clearly he likes the 997TT and his review is similiar to most other reviewers. However, his review of the car is lacking some important descriptive phrases for car enthusiast.
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    Aug 18, 2006 2:53:26 AM

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    Excellent article. This guy gets it. I especially like this quote comparing the 997TT vs. such vulgar cars as the F430: "Face it, with the exception of the Porsche, these cars do not cover their owners with glory. They are too vulgar, too boorish, too, too much."

    Aug 18, 2006 6:02:34 AM

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    Most random passers-by seem to regard the CGT as some sort of flying saucer when they see it.




    you really should take it to area 51 in nevada desert at night.... put some neon lights across the sills.... etc

    Aug 18, 2006 10:10:48 AM

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    Dan Neil is an excellent writer and knows cars. Clearly he likes the 997TT and his review is similiar to most other reviewers. However, his review of the car is lacking some important descriptive phrases for car enthusiast.
    "



    Although I do agree with you to some extent, one must take into account that he's writing for LA Times, not Road and Track. Depending on your audience, one needs to address them accordingly.

    Aug 18, 2006 10:52:30 AM

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    Re: Dan Neil reviews Porsche's 911 Turbo for 2007

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    Excellent article. This guy gets it. I especially like this quote comparing the 997TT vs. such vulgar cars as the F430: "Face it, with the exception of the Porsche, these cars do not cover their owners with glory. They are too vulgar, too boorish, too, too much."




    I dont think the F430 is a vulgar car... What is a vulgar car???

    People that allow others to be a huge factor in their choice of car are not thinking straight IMO .

    I'll never turn down buying the car that i REALLY want because it will offend other people. Whats up with that...

    Aug 18, 2006 12:09:23 PM

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    No way is the Gallardo or F430 vulgar. Both are among the coolest cars money can buy. I do agree that they are (too?) flashy. I like them both a lot and considerd both but ended up ordering the Turbo. But Ferrari and also Lambo if anything are "art" instead of being vulgar.

    Aug 18, 2006 7:39:47 PM

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    People that allow others to be a huge factor in their choice of car are not thinking straight IMO .

    I'll never turn down buying the car that i REALLY want because it will offend other people. Whats up with that...



    What if those offended people are your customers?

    Aug 19, 2006 1:45:35 AM

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    Re: Dan Neil reviews Porsche's 911 Turbo for 2007

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    Quote:
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    Excellent article. This guy gets it. I especially like this quote comparing the 997TT vs. such vulgar cars as the F430: "Face it, with the exception of the Porsche, these cars do not cover their owners with glory. They are too vulgar, too boorish, too, too much."




    I dont think the F430 is a vulgar car... What is a vulgar car???

    People that allow others to be a huge factor in their choice of car are not thinking straight IMO .

    I'll never turn down buying the car that i REALLY want because it will offend other people. Whats up with that...



    Here's the definition of vulgar from dictionary.com:

    Crudely indecent.

    Deficient in taste, delicacy, or refinement.
    Marked by a lack of good breeding; boorish. See Synonyms at common.
    Offensively excessive in self-display or expenditure; ostentatious: the huge vulgar houses and cars of the newly rich.
    Spoken by or expressed in language spoken by the common people; vernacular: the technical and vulgar names for an animal species.
    Of or associated with the great masses of people; common.

    The F430 is the car equivalent of a gold diamond encrusted Rolex watch. Vulgar. Yuck. But, there are people that like these vulgar things.

    Take a F430 and put it next to one of those vulgar rice Hondas with a body kit, big wing, flashy paint job, and lowered and the Honda will get just as many looks as the F430. That's vulgar.

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    Aug 19, 2006 2:01:33 AM

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    Re: Dan Neil reviews Porsche's 911 Turbo for 2007

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    No way is the Gallardo or F430 vulgar. Both are among the coolest cars money can buy. I do agree that they are (too?) flashy. I like them both a lot and considerd both but ended up ordering the Turbo. But Ferrari and also Lambo if anything are "art" instead of being vulgar.



    Personally I don't consider the Gallardo a vulgar car even though it is very flashy. It's less gaudy than the F430. The Gallardo has very clean, simple, and sharp lines. I think of the Gallardo as the car equivalent of a platinum Patek watch, whereas the F430 is more like a gold diamond encrusted Rolex. Both flashy. But one is classy and flashy in good taste, the other is not and vulgar.

    David

    Aug 19, 2006 5:21:20 AM

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    Quote:
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    People that allow others to be a huge factor in their choice of car are not thinking straight IMO .

    I'll never turn down buying the car that i REALLY want because it will offend other people. Whats up with that...



    What if those offended people are your customers?



    That is a different story but I'm sure that if someone can afford a Porsche Turbo/F430/Gallardo he/she can afford a nice enough car to use when not around 'customers'


    Aug 19, 2006 6:29:26 AM

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    Dan Neill is a total hack. You all are forgetting that only a year or so ago he said that the 911 should be retired in favor of the Cayman. What a jerk.

    Aug 19, 2006 6:58:20 AM

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    Dan Neill is a total hack. You all are forgetting that only a year or so ago he said that the 911 should be retired in favor of the Cayman. What a jerk.



    He may be wrong by saying the 911 should be replced anytime soon, but i think he may be correct in the sense that the Cayman might just be a taster of what the 911 successor (spelling ) will be like


     
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