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    Re: Aventador and SV

    crayphile:
    Enmanuel:

    I feel rather proud of myself for so successfully derailing this thread. 

    smiley

    OK  - back on track....

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    Ok, there's no competing with that. *waves white flag*


    Re: Aventador and SV

    F50 is my favorite Ferrari, the V12 sound is intoxicating.


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    Re: Aventador and SV

    Mikla:

    F50 is my favorite Ferrari, the V12 sound is intoxicating.

     

    Sorry, we are back on track... indecision

    Crayphile, impressive lineup. Some great cars you chose, and did that with impeccable taste. Does the Aventador coupe stay next to the convertible? How different are they from each other in terms of suspension setup and chassis rigidity?


    Re: Aventador and SV

    ISUK:

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    Great car. Thanks for the detailed summary. From what I coukd gather definitely an underrated car. I keep wondering why the F40 and Enzo are so much more appreciated.


    Re: Aventador and SV

    The F40 has the aura of being the last road car project Enzo himself was involved in so it has attained a mystique as a result. In all honesty it is a bit of a lash up in terms of build quality and it is very evident that attention to detail and a high quality of finish/materials was not a priority at all. The Enzo was produced in more limited numbers (but by quite a lot more than the factory officially admit to), is more modern and has unconventional doors which are more impressive if you are using the car to impress I guess.

    The F50 is very different from the F40 in both engineering terms, design and overall quality. Whist still not exactly a pinnacle of quality in the way the Mclaren F1 was it is still very obvious that it was a low run car developed under the watch of Luca di Montezemolo as the attention to detail is much improved on it. The F50 doesn't always photograph well and is a design best seen in person before passing final judgement as the camera fails to pick up on a lot of subtle details. The side air intakes for example don't look anything out of the ordinary in most photo's but are vast when you see them in person.

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    Re: Aventador and SV

    Gents, could we stop off-topic!

    So please back on track with: All you ever or never wanted to know about the R8 and never dared or cared asking.

    smiley 


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    Re: Aventador and SV

    Ferdie:

    Crayphile, impressive lineup. Some great cars you chose, and did that with impeccable taste. Does the Aventador coupe stay next to the convertible? How different are they from each other in terms of suspension setup and chassis rigidity?

    Surprisingly little scuttle shake from the Roadster as the  car is a mix of carbon and metal. The car feels slower and quieter than the Coupe at the moment as it has not had the official power upgrade (software based) that the Coupe has - I will report when I have a true like for like comparison . I may be imagining it, but turn in seems more precise on the Roadster  - probably because its going slower! I will most probably only keep one of them.


    Re: Aventador and SV

    Rossi:

    Gents, could we stop off-topic!

    So please back on track with: All you ever or never wanted to know about the R8 and never dared or cared asking.

    smiley 

     

    Smiley  Smiley


    Re: Aventador and SV

    ISUK:
    Rossi:

    Gents, could we stop off-topic!

    So please back on track with: All you ever or never wanted to know about the R8 and never dared or cared asking.

    smiley 

     

    Smiley  Smiley

    LOL Smiley


    Re: Aventador and SV

    Enmanuel:
    ISUK:
    Rossi:

    Gents, could we stop off-topic!

    So please back on track with: All you ever or never wanted to know about the R8 and never dared or cared asking.

    smiley 

     

    Smiley  Smiley

    LOL Smiley

    Smiley


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    Re: Aventador and SV

    Rossi:

    Gents, could we stop off-topic!

    So please back on track with: All you ever or never wanted to know about the R8 and never dared or cared asking.

    smiley 

    Or we could discuss your bicycle... Smiley Smiley Smiley


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    Re: Aventador and SV

    RC:
    Rossi:

    Gents, could we stop off-topic!

    So please back on track with: All you ever or never wanted to know about the R8 and never dared or cared asking.

    smiley 

    Or we could discuss your bicycle... Smiley Smiley Smiley

    ... not worth a discussion. SmileySmiley


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    Re: Aventador and SV

    Back on topic boys Smileyhttps://youtu.be/xrw2_UOU57g


    Re: Aventador and SV

    Show of hands, who would like to see the SV on trofeos and corsas do the EVO leaderboard (even though we know its never going to happen) and what do you think its time would be?


    Re: Aventador and SV

    I would like to see the Aventador with the Huracan DCT... 


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    Re: Aventador and SV

    RC:

    I would like to see the Aventador with the Huracan DCT... 

    +1 Smiley


    Re: Aventador and SV

    Hey crayphlie...why don't you, uh, lend EVO your SV for a quick lap?


    Re: Aventador and SV

    kingjr9000:

    Hey crayphlie...why don't you, uh, lend EVO your SV for a quick lap?

    Smiley


    Re: Aventador and SV

    LP: So being told system is now open for orders, facelift is called Aventador S and has the following highlights bring touted before the release


    740hp
    Active Aerodynamics
    New Infotainment system with new facia design from Centenario
    Rear quarters more obscure and cutting edge. 
    4 wheel steering


    Re: Aventador and SV

    kingjr9000:

    LP: So being told system is now open for orders, facelift is called Aventador S and has the following highlights bring touted before the release


    740hp
    Active Aerodynamics
    New Infotainment system with new facia design from Centenario
    Rear quarters more obscure and cutting edge. 
    4 wheel steering

    I heard similar too. I still think the Huracan Performante is the car to have.


    Re: Aventador and SV

    Yes.  I know this is in the wrong thread, but i don't feel like sifting through the forum, and its technically an aventador with a bodykit. But anyway, I've finally found the downforce of the veneno: 500kg.  If the SV can do a 6:59 with 218kg, then imagine what the veneno could've done.

    http://europe.autonews.com/article/20130305/BLOG15/303059940/lamborghini-celebrates-50th-with-exclusive-veneno


    Re: Aventador and SV

    kingjr9000:

    Yes.  I know this is in the wrong thread, but i don't feel like sifting through the forum, and its technically an aventador with a bodykit. But anyway, I've finally found the downforce of the veneno: 500kg.  If the SV can do a 6:59 with 218kg, then imagine what the veneno could've done.

    http://europe.autonews.com/article/20130305/BLOG15/303059940/lamborghini-celebrates-50th-with-exclusive-veneno

    That article doesn't give the speed at which that downforce was measured, so comparing with another car's downforce where speed is also not specified is very likely to be a case of "apples to oranges". 


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    Re: Aventador and SV

    fritz:
    kingjr9000:

    Yes.  I know this is in the wrong thread, but i don't feel like sifting through the forum, and its technically an aventador with a bodykit. But anyway, I've finally found the downforce of the veneno: 500kg.  If the SV can do a 6:59 with 218kg, then imagine what the veneno could've done.

    http://europe.autonews.com/article/20130305/BLOG15/303059940/lamborghini-celebrates-50th-with-exclusive-veneno

    That article doesn't give the speed at which that downforce was measured, so comparing with another car's downforce where speed is also not specified is very likely to be a case of "apples to oranges". 

    I won't argue with that, but at least we do know what it is now.  So thats somethingSmiley.  If the DF is active around the same or slightly more than the P1, then it shouldn't be that bad.  Since the P1 has the max at 250kph, if this does it at 250kph or even 300kph, then at least we do know it how much it has compared to the SV.  Plus, its 125kg lighter, so at least we now know that design isn't all showSmiley


    Re: Aventador and SV

    So...Aventador is only fast in Nordscheleife

    Nordscheleife:

    918: 6:57.00
    Aventador SV: 6:59.73

    Salomondrin test:

    918 Spyder: 1.17.18  - different driver/day
    Dodge Viper ACR (Mk V) - 1:21.92  
    McLaren 675LT - 1:22.62  
    Porsche 911 GT3 RS (991) - 1:22.64  
    *****Aventador LP750-4 SV - 1:23.56
    Ferrari 458 Speciale - 1:25.70  

    Now this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMHEMxGkniY

    Porsche 918 Spyder - 1:42.63
    McLaren 675LT - 1:44.04
    Ferrari 488 GTB - 1:44.28
    Lamborghini Huracan LP 610-4 - 1:45.06
    McLaren 650 S - 1:46.17
    Porsche 911 GT2 RS (997) - 1:47.08
    *****Lamborghini Aventador LP700-4 - 1:47.30
    *****Lamborghini Aventador SV - 1:47.35
    Audi R8 V10 Plus (Mk II) - 1:47.35
    Porsche 911 GT3 RS (991) - 1:47.52
    Porsche 911 Turbo S - 1:47.93
    Porsche 911 GT3 (991) - 1:48.48

    Slower than normal Aventador and Huracán SmileySmiley. Nice V12 tho Smiley

    Same time as RC's R8, you saved some money Smiley


    Re: Aventador and SV

    That had to have been a bad SV.  Ive tried to find the test on GCF, but can't.  But I highly doubt that could have been a good SV for it to be slower than the regular aventador.heart  Also, why on earth is the 991 3RS slower than the the 997 2RS?


    Re: Aventador and SV

    9972 RS has vastly more power and torque.


    Re: Aventador and SV

    True. But the 3RS is newer, has a much better tranny, probably better downforce, newer tires, and probably something else that i can't get right now (my brains a little hazy after a carb overload). But on all of the tracks they been on, the 2RS is only faster on the Hockenhiem GP, but only by a little less than a second.  You could also count Rockingham (less than 1Sec), but that was done by two different mags, so that one is all up to you.  Im not going to count the N-Ring sine the 3RS was done on a wet lap, but even then, the 2RS was only 2secs ahead, especially on a track that has a super long straight.  So out of eight tracks and one figure-8 tracks, the 2RS only won one, and even that one is a bit shaky as it was done during a cup event for the 3RS, and the 2RS was done by a Mag, but i'll allow it.  

    Outside of those few, the difference is either .5secs or less, or greater than 1secs in favor of the 3RS.


    Re: Aventador and SV

    The same reason the 911 Turbo S is as fast(or faster) than the GT3RS. Despite 3RS having lots of downforce, less weight and probably better cornering balance the Turbo S has more power, lots of torque and AWD.

    2RS is RWD, 6speed manual and doesn't have AWS or newer tires etc but the power and lightness are there.

    GT3RS: NA engine, 500hp, 480Nm, 1420kg, 2.84kg/hp

    Turbo S: TwinTurbo engine 580hp, 750Nm, 1525kg, 2.63kg/hp

    GT2RS: TwinTurbo engine, 620hp, 700Nm, 1370kg, 2.21kg/hp

     

     

     


    Re: Aventador and SV

    I think Audi plays it way too safe with the Aventador and even the Huracan. These cars would easily take 30-40 hp more , even with the current drivetrain and ECU programming but they probably want these engines to last 200k km without a single problem and this is ridiculous. 

    Time to rethink the strategy and give the Aventador and Huracan the power they deserve. Also, at these prices, they could easily shave off some weight. 50-100 kg would already be enough.

    Just yesterday I read a comparison between the 570S and the R8 V10 Plus. From 0-160 kph, they accelerate basically the same (6.0 seconds) but from 0-200 kph, the gap was already 0.7 seconds in favor of the 570S (8.7 seconds vs. 9.4 seconds). On the track a similar situation, 570S is always 2-3 seconds faster.

    The reason? Well...the 570S is 200(!!!) kg lighter than the R8 V10 Plus. 200 kg. Insane. With 200 kg less, the R8 would destroy the 570S. I don't have a clue why Audi (and Lamborghini) cannot lower the weight of their cars. The technology, especially on the Huracan/R8, is basically racing tech (they share over 51% of the parts with the Audi LMS race car, which weights almost 400 kg less than the R8 road car).

    Time for Lamborghini (and Audi) to up their game, sorry to say that.


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    Re: Aventador and SV

    No need to apologize; I fully agree.


     
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