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    Re: CAR magazine to drive 599 GTB (and 997 Turbo and LP 640)

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    trip said:
    Yeah everyone is Porsche biased, thats it. Every car magazine in the world must be in Porsche's pocket. That makes more sense than the fact that they make such amazing cars. There is a reason that the company is so succesful and able to sell so many cars.It couldn't be that the company with the winningest racing career in history just so happens to make the best sports cars in the world. No that doesn't make sense. Ferrari must be better because Nick bought one. Thats it. Jeese Nick you really are in denial. What happened to make you so anti-porsche? Did your preciouse little toy get smoked silly by a 993 turbo. Must be hard when a brand new $200,000+ Ferrari gets its @ss handed to it by a car costing roughly half that made in 1996 Just get over the fact that your a poser and that if you really wanted to drive, you'd buy a PORSCHE, there is no substitute!
    Not all Ferrari drivers are posers, just the ones who drive spiders and hate on Porsches.




    Re: CAR magazine to drive 599 GTB (and 997 Turbo and LP 640)

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    bostonmini said:
    599 interior might be nicer but its far more boring than the bull on the outside!



    Being more flamboyant than a LP 640 on the outside than is not the main intention of the F599 GTB Fiorano.

    Re: CAR magazine to drive 599 GTB (and 997 Turbo and LP 640)

    Well the 06 S Cab sitting in my garage is my 38th Porsche. The 06 430 coupe on the boat right now is my 4th Ferrari. I love them both, for different reasons maybe, but I will always have both. I am a Carnut not a Porsche nut or a Ferrari nut.

    Re: CAR magazine to drive 599 GTB (and 997 Turbo and LP 640)

    Welcome to the club! Both Ferrari and Porsche are great IMO!

    Re: CAR magazine to drive 599 GTB (and 997 Turbo and LP 640)

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    KresoF1 said:
    Welcome to the club! Both Ferrari and Porsche are great IMO!



    Absolutely true!

    Welcome OneCarrut!

    Re: CAR magazine to drive 599 GTB (and 997 Turbo and LP 640)

    The Lambo makes the Ferrari look too humble and inexpensive.
    You might as well get a Corvette instead of a 599.

    I vote Lambo

    Re: CAR magazine to drive 599 GTB (and 997 Turbo and LP 640)

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    JimFlat6 said:
    The Lambo makes the Ferrari look too humble and inexpensive.
    You might as well get a Corvette instead of a 599.

    I vote Lambo


    Re: CAR magazine to drive 599 GTB (and 997 Turbo and LP 640)

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    KresoF1 said:
    Welcome to the club! Both Ferrari and Porsche are great IMO!



    Don't forget about Lamborghini!

    Re: CAR magazine to drive 599 GTB (and 997 Turbo and LP 640)

    Mike, I will not!
    All three of them are great!

    Re: CAR magazine to drive 599 GTB (and 997 Turbo and LP 640)

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    JimFlat6 said:
    The Lambo makes the Ferrari look too humble and inexpensive.
    You might as well get a Corvette instead of a 599.

    I vote Lambo



    The big Lambo and Ferrari stopped being direct opponents, when Ferrari decided to return to the front engined GT-Berlinetta-layout.

    Re: CAR magazine to drive 599 GTB (and 997 Turbo and LP 640)

    Yes, Ferrari has gone way too mainstream with their 12cyl cars. They look like something for retired ferrari afficianados - no fun, somber, no joy!

    Re: CAR magazine to drive 599 GTB (and 997 Turbo and LP 640)

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    JimFlat6 said:
    Yes, Ferrari has gone way too mainstream with their 12cyl cars. They look like something for retired ferrari afficianados - no fun, somber, no joy!



    But much better cashcows...

    EDIT:
    The only model from Ferrari, that can be compared to a LP 640 is the Enzo, but you have to pay three times as much...

    Re: CAR magazine to drive 599 GTB (and 997 Turbo and LP 640)

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    Rossi said:
    Quote:
    JimFlat6 said:
    Yes, Ferrari has gone way too mainstream with their 12cyl cars. They look like something for retired ferrari afficianados - no fun, somber, no joy!



    But much better cashcows...

    EDIT:
    The only model from Ferrari, that can be compared to a LP 640 is the Enzo, but you have to pay three times as much...



    Profitable businesses do need to make cars that actually sell, right? ....P can only sell ?300/yr GT2/3 into US; Lambo sells some ?800/yr G/M into US (w/sales dwn 15% vs last yr)....just not that many hard-core drivers w/equally hard-core cash...

    Enzo is old news/tech now anyway....but have heard couple owners call it a "clinical", but brilliant car (and actually enjoyed driving their 360CS more )....familiar subjective view of many new, latest-tech sportscars these days, eh?

    Hard-core F guys can do FXX program and avoid nonsense of street car engineering/traffic compromises and have convenience of factory maintaining/storing the car, etc....and Enzo 2.0 can't be that far off....

    But gotta be able to sell at least 5K/yr of easily sellable GT cars like 430/599/612 to pay the R&D bills....by primarily selling to 45yo amateur drivers/poseurs who have spending cash and who want to be able to easily drive their toy to the office/dinner/country club/private air terminal in a typically congested urban/suburban setting at speeds often well under 100MPH....the realities of high-end car marketing vs cash-poor, wannabe racecar driver fantasies.....

    Re: CAR magazine to drive 599 GTB (and 997 Turbo and LP 640)

    Thanks, this is the plate on my 997s Cab.

    Re: CAR magazine to drive 599 GTB (and 997 Turbo and LP 640)

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    VKSF said:
    Quote:
    Rossi said:
    Quote:
    JimFlat6 said:
    Yes, Ferrari has gone way too mainstream with their 12cyl cars. They look like something for retired ferrari afficianados - no fun, somber, no joy!



    But much better cashcows...

    EDIT:
    The only model from Ferrari, that can be compared to a LP 640 is the Enzo, but you have to pay three times as much...



    Profitable businesses do need to make cars that actually sell, right? ....P can only sell ?300/yr GT2/3 into US; Lambo sells some ?800/yr G/M into US (w/sales dwn 15% vs last yr)....just not that many hard-core drivers w/equally hard-core cash...

    Enzo is old news/tech now anyway....but have heard couple owners call it a "clinical", but brilliant car (and actually enjoyed driving their 360CS more )....familiar subjective view of many new, latest-tech sportscars these days, eh?

    Hard-core F guys can do FXX program and avoid nonsense of street car engineering/traffic compromises and have convenience of factory maintaining/storing the car, etc....and Enzo 2.0 can't be that far off....

    But gotta be able to sell at least 5K/yr of easily sellable GT cars like 430/599/612 to pay the R&D bills....by primarily selling to 45yo amateur drivers/poseurs who have spending cash and who want to be able to easily drive their toy to the office/dinner/country club/private air terminal in a typically congested urban/suburban setting at speeds often well under 100MPH....the realities of high-end car marketing vs cash-poor, wannabe racecar driver fantasies.....



    You're right its about business and selling cars. I'm also quite confident that Ferrari will eventually return to a mid engine V12 layout sometime in the future.

    As for exotic looks, Lamborghini is barely turning a profit, they made 2 million bucks las tyear but that's not alot of cash considering the size & investment that Audi put into them. Its been rumors swirling of Audi selling them to BMW.

    Re: CAR magazine to drive 599 GTB (and 997 Turbo and LP 640)

    Quote:
    VKSF said:
    Quote:
    Rossi said:
    Quote:
    JimFlat6 said:
    Yes, Ferrari has gone way too mainstream with their 12cyl cars. They look like something for retired ferrari afficianados - no fun, somber, no joy!



    But much better cashcows...

    EDIT:
    The only model from Ferrari, that can be compared to a LP 640 is the Enzo, but you have to pay three times as much...



    Profitable businesses do need to make cars that actually sell, right? ....P can only sell ?300/yr GT2/3 into US; Lambo sells some ?800/yr G/M into US (w/sales dwn 15% vs last yr)....just not that many hard-core drivers w/equally hard-core cash...

    Enzo is old news/tech now anyway....but have heard couple owners call it a "clinical", but brilliant car (and actually enjoyed driving their 360CS more )....familiar subjective view of many new, latest-tech sportscars these days, eh?

    Hard-core F guys can do FXX program and avoid nonsense of street car engineering/traffic compromises and have convenience of factory maintaining/storing the car, etc....and Enzo 2.0 can't be that far off....

    But gotta be able to sell at least 5K/yr of easily sellable GT cars like 430/599/612 to pay the R&D bills....by primarily selling to 45yo amateur drivers/poseurs who have spending cash and who want to be able to easily drive their toy to the office/dinner/country club/private air terminal in a typically congested urban/suburban setting at speeds often well under 100MPH....the realities of high-end car marketing vs cash-poor, wannabe racecar driver fantasies.....




    Re: CAR magazine to drive 599 GTB (and 997 Turbo and LP 640)

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    Mike S said:
    Quote:
    temm said:
    Quote:
    Mike S said:
    I was just about to ask that! Please please scan in if they test the LP640. I want to see what it can do!



    You can afford to buy the car, but not the magazine they test it in. What's up with that Mike

    I'm a subscriber and I have a scanner, but what's in it for me



    I can't buy it because we don't get those magazines here

    Plus I have bought one, my LP640 arrives only in January



    We do get them here Mike... Just check A CNA/Exclusive Books store. Crap is we get them kinda late and cost quite a bit more than the mags we have over here (about R80/R90)



    Re: CAR magazine to drive 599 GTB (and 997 Turbo and LP 640)

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    BC911J said:
    We do get them here Mike... Just check A CNA/Exclusive Books store. Crap is we get them kinda late and cost quite a bit more than the mags we have over here (about R80/R90)






    yeah i know, but we don't ever get the latest issues or they come late. plus R90 is a lot to pay for a magazine

    Re: CAR magazine to drive 599 GTB (and 997 Turbo and LP 640)

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    Blk987S said:
    Nick is no poser. He bought a car that he genuinly enjoys driving.



    Really? He sure looks like (and acts like) a poser to me.

    Re: CAR magazine to drive 599 GTB (and 997 Turbo and LP 640)

    Quote:
    DavidSF said:
    Quote:
    Blk987S said:
    Nick is no poser. He bought a car that he genuinly enjoys driving.



    Really? He sure looks like (and acts like) a poser to me.



    .......

    Re: CAR magazine to drive 599 GTB (and 997 Turbo and LP 640)

    Quote:
    DavidSF said:
    Quote:
    Blk987S said:
    Nick is no poser. He bought a car that he genuinly enjoys driving.



    Really? He sure looks like (and acts like) a poser to me.



    Last time I was in La Jolla, that constituted a $290 parking ticket .

    Re: CAR magazine to drive 599 GTB (and 997 Turbo and LP 640)

    Quote:
    Crash said:
    Quote:
    DavidSF said:
    Quote:
    Blk987S said:
    Nick is no poser. He bought a car that he genuinly enjoys driving.



    Really? He sure looks like (and acts like) a poser to me.



    Last time I was in La Jolla, that constituted a $290 parking ticket .



    I'm sure it was worth it to Nick. Just like the price he paid for his F430.

     
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