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Re: My NEXT Ferrari
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KresoF1 said:
Nick,
Only way to achive at least 550hp with V8 is to use DI BI-Turbo technology. Otherwise NO way IMHO.
If Ferrari decide to use NA engine that we could even see V10 configuration...
Specially, since Gallardo and forthcoming R10 use(or will use) V10 NA engines...
Kreso, I agree with you post. FWIW, Ferrari has indicated in recent interviews that NA engines are the future given environmental issues.
Re: My NEXT Ferrari
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KresoF1 said:
Nick,
Only way to achive at least 550hp with V8 is to use DI BI-Turbo technology. Otherwise NO way IMHO.
If Ferrari decide to use NA engine that we could even see V10 configuration...
Specially, since Gallardo and forthcoming R10 use(or will use) V10 NA engines...
Or they might just bore it out to 4,8 litres, with which it would have the same volume per cylinder as the GT3 (so still rev-happy) and put out 550 bhp with the same bhp per litre. Not bad, if you ask me.
Re: My NEXT Ferrari
F142 will be on a new platform, not the old 360/F430 chassis so horsepower jump can be expected.
Timr, thanks for the info. With the facelifted Gallardo having 550 HP, Ferrari can not offer anything with less horsepower but with higher price so 585 HP from a 5.0L V10 is not just an option for them, it's a necessity. Do you have more info about the bodystyle/design?
Timr, thanks for the info. With the facelifted Gallardo having 550 HP, Ferrari can not offer anything with less horsepower but with higher price so 585 HP from a 5.0L V10 is not just an option for them, it's a necessity. Do you have more info about the bodystyle/design?
Re: My NEXT Ferrari
Ferrari can easily deliver a F430 replacement with less power than the next Gallardo, after all when the F430 was released it had less power than the Gallardo. I tend to believe that we'll see a minor power bump (definitely not ~100HP) but a more dramatic change to the rest of the car.
Re: My NEXT Ferrari
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Raz (NC) said:
Ferrari can easily deliver a F430 replacement with less power than the next Gallardo, after all when the F430 was released it had less power than the Gallardo. I tend to believe that we'll see a minor power bump (definitely not ~100HP) but a more dramatic change to the rest of the car.
Agreed....suspect <10 guys/yr globally in major regions w/equally competent F/L dealers would opt for L over F, no matter hp, NBR times, car mag reviews....
Many seem to forget that much of what makes the 4000lb 599 so interesting/fun to drive in twisties/urban fwys is not the 600+hp....rather, it's the excellent mid-range tq; fast/smooth F1 tranny; superb CCM pedal feel; and excellent trac, while providing hill/urban-compatible ground clearance, more supple ride than 997TT (or G) and commute-compatible amenities (Bluetooth/iPod/fuel tank cap, etc)....
Always amazed how L (despite not adapting their cars for daily use in hilly/urban regions) still struggles to develop F/P-like steering precision; F/P-like CCM/PCCB pedal feel/fade resistance; still has primitive/inept egear (even ?3yrs post-US G launch); and has weak mid-range tq.....L R&D seems about as inefficient/lethargic as P R&D....the cross-ownership makes more and more sense now.....if BMW were involved in this cross-ownership scheme, we'd have a trifecta of 3 alleged sporty car mfrs, most of which struggle to develop competent brakes/paddleshifter trannies/linear, robust mid-range tq....
And, in US, L is much more expensive to own vs F (even if one needs to buy new F@mkt), given L's poor trade-in values; lease terms; and 2yr warranty.....
Re: My NEXT Ferrari
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MKSGR said:
Sorry, but I think that is BS.
Neither would a "close to 600hp" figure be compatible with Ferrari's model range (599, Enzo etc.) nor would it make sense in the relevant competitive environment. The F430 successor will have substantially less than 600hp. Just my humble opinion.
Absolutely agree here.
Re: My NEXT Ferrari
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timr said:
Actually it's going to be a 5.0L V10 producing 585hp. You are right that it will be more hardcore than the 430. The F500 is designed for road and track use equally and will come in at about EUR 185 plus local taxes. Testing (mules) will start in the Autumn when the factory re-opens
Where have you got this precise information from?
Re: My NEXT Ferrari
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KresoF1 said:
Nick,
Only way to achive at least 550hp with V8 is to use DI BI-Turbo technology. Otherwise NO way IMHO.
If Ferrari decide to use NA engine that we could even see V10 configuration...
Specially, since Gallardo and forthcoming R10 use(or will use) V10 NA engines...
Or they might just bore it out to 4,8 litres, with which it would have the same volume per cylinder as the GT3 (so still rev-happy) and put out 550 bhp with the same bhp per litre. Not bad, if you ask me.
Correct. Make it lighter, make it smaller (unfortunately the last will probably not happen
) and 4.8/550 will be everything you need.
Re: My NEXT Ferrari
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shin said:
F142 will be on a new platform, not the old 360/F430 chassis so horsepower jump can be expected.
Timr, thanks for the info. With the facelifted Gallardo having 550 HP, Ferrari can not offer anything with less horsepower but with higher price so 585 HP from a 5.0L V10 is not just an option for them, it's a necessity. Do you have more info about the bodystyle/design?
Actually the opposite is the truth: every time they've changed the platform, the engine stayed more or less the same, so no enourmous power increase. Power hike came always with the facelifted model.
Alright, there is no need to always do so, but until now this was their model philosophy.
Re: My NEXT Ferrari
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Raz (NC) said:
Ferrari can easily deliver a F430 replacement with less power than the next Gallardo, after all when the F430 was released it had less power than the Gallardo. I tend to believe that we'll see a minor power bump (definitely not ~100HP) but a more dramatic change to the rest of the car.
In fact a Ferrari always had a little less horsepower than its direct Lamborhini rival.
Re: My NEXT Ferrari
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KresoF1 said:
Nick,
Only way to achive at least 550hp with V8 is to use DI BI-Turbo technology. Otherwise NO way IMHO.
If Ferrari decide to use NA engine that we could even see V10 configuration...
Specially, since Gallardo and forthcoming R10 use(or will use) V10 NA engines...
Or they might just bore it out to 4,8 litres, with which it would have the same volume per cylinder as the GT3 (so still rev-happy) and put out 550 bhp with the same bhp per litre. Not bad, if you ask me.
Correct. Make it lighter, make it smaller (unfortunately the last will probably not happen
Nooo! Don't make it smaller! How will the fat rappers fit inside then?
Re: My NEXT Ferrari
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Crash said:Quote:
Rossi said:Quote:
Crash said:Quote:
KresoF1 said:
Nick,
Only way to achive at least 550hp with V8 is to use DI BI-Turbo technology. Otherwise NO way IMHO.
If Ferrari decide to use NA engine that we could even see V10 configuration...
Specially, since Gallardo and forthcoming R10 use(or will use) V10 NA engines...
Or they might just bore it out to 4,8 litres, with which it would have the same volume per cylinder as the GT3 (so still rev-happy) and put out 550 bhp with the same bhp per litre. Not bad, if you ask me.
Correct. Make it lighter, make it smaller (unfortunately the last will probably not happen
Nooo! Don't make it smaller! How will the fat rappers fit inside then?
C'mon, a little bit smaller would be nice. A size of the Gallardo or the F355 (if you want a F-car as example) would be perfect.
Re: My NEXT Ferrari
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Crash said:Quote:
Rossi said:Quote:
Crash said:Quote:
KresoF1 said:
Nick,
Only way to achive at least 550hp with V8 is to use DI BI-Turbo technology. Otherwise NO way IMHO.
If Ferrari decide to use NA engine that we could even see V10 configuration...
Specially, since Gallardo and forthcoming R10 use(or will use) V10 NA engines...
Or they might just bore it out to 4,8 litres, with which it would have the same volume per cylinder as the GT3 (so still rev-happy) and put out 550 bhp with the same bhp per litre. Not bad, if you ask me.
Correct. Make it lighter, make it smaller (unfortunately the last will probably not happen
Nooo! Don't make it smaller! How will the fat rappers fit inside then?
C'mon, a little bit smaller would be nice. A size of the Gallardo or the F355 (if you want a F-car as example) would be perfect.
I agree. As long as it isn't as heavy as the Gallardo
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Re: My NEXT Ferrari
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Raz (NC) said:
Ferrari can easily deliver a F430 replacement with less power than the next Gallardo, after all when the F430 was released it had less power than the Gallardo. I tend to believe that we'll see a minor power bump (definitely not ~100HP) but a more dramatic change to the rest of the car.
Hey Raz, how are liking your 430 Spider especially compared to the Gallardo Spyder?
Re: My NEXT Ferrari
The F430 is *nuts*, it scared me when I first got it so I had it on the skidpad to get used to its limits and handling characteristics. When I want to go out for a real drive, I take it, but if I'm looking for a slightly more relaxed experience I bring out the G.
The Gallardo attracts far more attention than the F430, and interestingly enough, it seems to attract more of a younger crowd. The Gallardo is much easier to drive, but the F430 feels a lot faster and is a lot more engaging to drive. The two cars are quite complementary, but I think if I can I'll replace the F430 with a F430 CS before the real F430 replacement arrives.
Overall I'm amazed at what Ferrari has been able to do with the F430, and I can't wait to see what its replacement is like. My initial thoughts continue to ring true, it feels like a big go-kart
One of these days I'll get around to posting a detailed comparison between the two.
The Gallardo attracts far more attention than the F430, and interestingly enough, it seems to attract more of a younger crowd. The Gallardo is much easier to drive, but the F430 feels a lot faster and is a lot more engaging to drive. The two cars are quite complementary, but I think if I can I'll replace the F430 with a F430 CS before the real F430 replacement arrives.
Overall I'm amazed at what Ferrari has been able to do with the F430, and I can't wait to see what its replacement is like. My initial thoughts continue to ring true, it feels like a big go-kart
One of these days I'll get around to posting a detailed comparison between the two.
Re: My NEXT Ferrari
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Raz (NC) said:
The F430 is *nuts*, it scared me when I first got it so I had it on the skidpad to get used to its limits and handling characteristics. When I want to go out for a real drive, I take it, but if I'm looking for a slightly more relaxed experience I bring out the G.
The Gallardo attracts far more attention than the F430, and interestingly enough, it seems to attract more of a younger crowd. The Gallardo is much easier to drive, but the F430 feels a lot faster and is a lot more engaging to drive. The two cars are quite complementary, but I think if I can I'll replace the F430 with a F430 CS before the real F430 replacement arrives.
Overall I'm amazed at what Ferrari has been able to do with the F430, and I can't wait to see what its replacement is like. My initial thoughts continue to ring true, it feels like a big go-kart
One of these days I'll get around to posting a detailed comparison between the two.
Interesting! I am really impressed with you taking the car out to the skidpad to experience and learn its limitations. You truly are a car enthusiast.
My drive in the the Gallardo mirrors what your finding are. I beleive it all has to with the AWD. No doubt it is a great looking car but you have to watch out for all those young nubile women.
Re: My NEXT Ferrari
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Raz (NC) said:
The F430 is *nuts*, it scared me when I first got it so I had it on the skidpad to get used to its limits and handling characteristics. When I want to go out for a real drive, I take it, but if I'm looking for a slightly more relaxed experience I bring out the G.
The Gallardo attracts far more attention than the F430, and interestingly enough, it seems to attract more of a younger crowd. The Gallardo is much easier to drive, but the F430 feels a lot faster and is a lot more engaging to drive. The two cars are quite complementary, but I think if I can I'll replace the F430 with a F430 CS before the real F430 replacement arrives.
Overall I'm amazed at what Ferrari has been able to do with the F430, and I can't wait to see what its replacement is like. My initial thoughts continue to ring true, it feels like a big go-kart
One of these days I'll get around to posting a detailed comparison between the two.
Interesting! I am really impressed with you taking the car out to the skidpad to experience and learn its limitations. You truly are a car enthusiast.
My drive in the the Gallardo mirrors what your finding are. I beleive it all has to with the AWD. No doubt it is a great looking car but you have to watch out for all those young nubile women.
BTW everytime I drove the CGT I had the same feeling about being somewhat scared. Probably a session on a skidpad will have help me read the car better.
Re: My NEXT Ferrari
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nberry said:Quote:
Raz (NC) said:
The F430 is *nuts*, it scared me when I first got it so I had it on the skidpad to get used to its limits and handling characteristics. When I want to go out for a real drive, I take it, but if I'm looking for a slightly more relaxed experience I bring out the G.
The Gallardo attracts far more attention than the F430, and interestingly enough, it seems to attract more of a younger crowd. The Gallardo is much easier to drive, but the F430 feels a lot faster and is a lot more engaging to drive. The two cars are quite complementary, but I think if I can I'll replace the F430 with a F430 CS before the real F430 replacement arrives.
Overall I'm amazed at what Ferrari has been able to do with the F430, and I can't wait to see what its replacement is like. My initial thoughts continue to ring true, it feels like a big go-kart
One of these days I'll get around to posting a detailed comparison between the two.
Interesting! I am really impressed with you taking the car out to the skidpad to experience and learn its limitations. You truly are a car enthusiast.
My drive in the the Gallardo mirrors what your finding are. I beleive it all has to with the AWD. No doubt it is a great looking car but you have to watch out for all those young nubile women.
BTW everytime I drove the CGT I had the same feeling about being somewhat scared. Probably a session on a skidpad will have help me read the car better.
Thanks for the complement
It really helped me not be afraid of the F430, I didn't understand its limits on the road and wouldn't be able to without the aid of the skidpad. I'm now finding that I'm bumping into other limits at higher speeds, but I believe I'll need to clock some road course time in the car to overcome those fears. I think the same is definitely true for the CGT, it is a scary car but it's nothing some road course/skidpad time won't cure.
Re: My NEXT Ferrari
The front end is a big improvement of the hideous F360/F430 bumper. Let's hope the spider doesn't have the current cheap roll hoops and after-market-looking humps, which are improper for a $200k convertible. What I also liked about the R&T article is they admit the F360 and F430 essentially look the same and noone except a Ferrari enthusiast can tell the difference.
David
David
Re: My NEXT Ferrari
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DavidSF said:
The front end is a big improvement of the hideous F360/F430 bumper. Let's hope the spider doesn't have the current cheap roll hoops and after-market-looking humps, which are improper for a $200k convertible. What I also liked about the R&T article is they admit the F360 and F430 essentially look the same and noone except a Ferrari enthusiast can tell the difference.
David
Re: My NEXT Ferrari
I think David may have rolled a convertible without roll hoops and took the brunt of the impact on his noggin, he sees things in magazine articles that aren't actually there & he keeps repeating himself over & over & over & over again.... LoL!
But who cares about having any type of added roll-over protection when you're lookin so damn bald & SeXy! lol!
Just funnin w/ u daveyyy.
LoL!
But who cares about having any type of added roll-over protection when you're lookin so damn bald & SeXy! lol!
Just funnin w/ u daveyyy.
Re: My NEXT Ferrari
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STRADALE said:
I think David may have rolled a convertible without roll hoops and took the brunt of the impact on his noggin, he sees things in magazine articles that aren't actually there & he keeps repeating himself over & over & over & over again....
But who cares about having any type of added roll-over protection when you're lookin so damn bald & SeXy! lol!
Just funnin w/ u daveyyy.
Aren't YOU repeating yourself? I said I saw the F430 spider being vulgar comment in another magazine besides EVO. One of these days I'll find it.
David
Re: My NEXT Ferrari
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DavidSF said:Quote:
STRADALE said:
I think David may have rolled a convertible without roll hoops and took the brunt of the impact on his noggin, he sees things in magazine articles that aren't actually there & he keeps repeating himself over & over & over & over again....
But who cares about having any type of added roll-over protection when you're lookin so damn bald & SeXy! lol!
Just funnin w/ u daveyyy.
Aren't YOU repeating yourself? I said I saw the F430 spider being vulgar comment in another magazine besides EVO. One of these days I'll find it.
David
Juss kiddin btw, peace.
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