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    Re: Latest Porsche Quality in U.S.

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    W8MM said:
    Nick,

    How do you manage to spread sunshine wherever you post?

    I would be so nice if not for the whiff of sulfur that comes with it.





    What would this board do without me? With my comments suddenly the thread turned into a Ferrari bash. Porsche has to like that.

    Jeff, the reason Ferrari is not included is because it is considered a premium brand that caters to a different market. Porsche now is part of the mainstream automobile world like Ford GM and Toyota.

    Jim, yesterday I was in the Ferrari dealership and a customer had a white 2005 Cayenne he had just purchased 4 months ago. He saw that I had one and he asked me whether mine had a throttle hesitation problem. I told him it did and he told me he had the same proble. Mine is a 2003.

    Maybe it is Porsche arrogance because the problem persist and Porsche denies it exists.

    Re: Latest Porsche Quality in U.S.

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    nberry said:
    This thread is a real treat. As I read the comments, I cannot help but to smile and think "oh my their bubble has burst". Rather than take the position "Porsche get your act together" all I see are slings and arrows at what most knowlegeable industry analysis view as the most reliable and accurate survey of its kind.

    Hopefully, Porsche does not put its head in the sand as most of you are doing. Porsche needs to improve despite your brain blindfolds.



    I do not intend to make a habit of supporting Nick's positions, but provided you are not trying to sell a Porsche and if convinced a Porsche is for you regardless (most of us on this board I think), a poor showing in the J D Power survey works to your advantage. It is, in effect, a stimulus for Porsche to improve their products. Important, since an interminable amount of complaining and whining hasn't fixed the issues JimFlat6 mentions. Porsche can afford to ignore the zealots (you're not going anywhere anyway), but their desire to win new customers may be enough for them to correct the complaints people make in these surveys.

    mcdelaug

    Re: Latest Porsche Quality in U.S.

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    nberry said:

    Jeff, the reason Ferrari is not included is because it is considered a premium brand that caters to a different market.



    No Nick, J D Power makes no interpretation of whether Ferrari is a premium brand or an econobox brand. Ferrari is not included because their annual sales are not a high enough volume for JDP to take a statistically valid sample with their current methods. Other small volume manufacturers are not included for this reason.

    mcdelaug

    Re: Latest Porsche Quality in U.S.

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    mcdelaug said:
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    nberry said:

    Jeff, the reason Ferrari is not included is because it is considered a premium brand that caters to a different market.



    No Nick, J D Power makes no interpretation of whether Ferrari is a premium brand or an econobox brand. Ferrari is not included because their annual sales are not a high enough volume for JDP to take a statistically valid sample with their current methods. Other small volume manufacturers are not included for this reason.

    mcdelaug


    Exactly. Let Nick feel good though about Ferrari being more of a premium, rock solid investment, "hey look at me item". As we all know by his postings, those are the only factors that should determine which car you choose. Oh, and don't forget paddle-shift. Any car worth its salt MUST have paddle-shift or it's not worth a damn including all the Ferraris from the past that now trade for $5M (P3, GTO, 250SWB, etc.)

    Nick you are a funny guy. The "best" car out there is always the one you happen to own at the time. What scientific or measured results do you have to justify your comment that the F430's handling is sharper than a 360 Stradale? Considering you just got the F430 and you're driving areound Starbucks parking lots over speedbumps, it seems to me like you have at least a few more miles to put on your car in other handling scenarios to be remotely credible with such statements.

    Re: Latest Porsche Quality in U.S.

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    nberry said:
    Quote:
    W8MM said:
    Nick,

    How do you manage to spread sunshine wherever you post?

    I would be so nice if not for the whiff of sulfur that comes with it.





    What would this board do without me? With my comments suddenly the thread turned into a Ferrari bash. Porsche has to like that.

    Jeff, the reason Ferrari is not included is because it is considered a premium brand that caters to a different market. Porsche now is part of the mainstream automobile world like Ford GM and Toyota.

    Jim, yesterday I was in the Ferrari dealership and a customer had a white 2005 Cayenne he had just purchased 4 months ago. He saw that I had one and he asked me whether mine had a throttle hesitation problem. I told him it did and he told me he had the same proble. Mine is a 2003.

    Maybe it is Porsche arrogance because the problem persist and Porsche denies it exists.



    The throttle hesitation is probably a designed in engineering compromise that seemed good when they did it.

    If you use the vehicle off road at very low speeds to clear ruts and obstacles, having instant throttle response is not a good idea, you need some press in time with the gas peddle to work over obstacles. Unfortunately Porsche didnt think to offer at least a 2 mode switchable option for throttle response so that you would have instant response for the street and delayed response for off road low range use.

    FWIW, Both the Cayenne and new Ferraris are overburdened with electronics for the sake of electronics, so much so
    that they will have no real value years from now.

    There's no Jeep or Daytona in either of those piles!

    Re: Latest Porsche Quality in U.S.

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    JimFlat6 said:The throttle hesitation is probably a designed in engineering compromise that seemed good when they did it.

    If you use the vehicle off road at very low speeds to clear ruts and obstacles, having instant throttle response is not a good idea, you need some press in time with the gas peddle to work over obstacles. Unfortunately Porsche didnt think to offer at least a 2 mode switchable option for throttle response so that you would have instant response for the street and delayed response for off road low range use.



    Agreed and I posted a similar comment a while ago that got some flames from you can guess who. I don't know why the folks who are complaining about throttle response bought a Cayenne if they didn't like the way it worked. Don't you do a test drive before you buy?? You didn't notice it on the test drive? If not, it's your problem, not Porsche's.

    Re: Latest Porsche Quality in U.S.

    keep in mind that Porsche owners are more anal about their cars & know a lot more about cars than other car owners.

    Re: Latest Porsche Quality in U.S.

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    20C4S said:
    keep in mind that Porsche owners are more anal about their cars & know a lot more about cars than other car owners.


    Then why does Nick own a Porsche?

     
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