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    Re: VIdeo: Porsche 911 Turbo (997) vs BMW M5 Kelleners Sport

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    355Spider said:
    The M6 runs about 188-120. That's quite a bit faster.




    This is 2004 It does 118mph
    http://www.dragtimes.com/Lamborghini-Gallardo-Timeslip-3286.html

    And their comparison
    http://www.dragtimes.com/compare2.php?ma...Name=Compare%21

    Re: VIdeo: Porsche 911 Turbo (997) vs BMW M5 Kelleners Sport

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    KresoF1 said:
    How about this F430F1 Berlinetta is around 4 cars lenghts faster from 100km/h till 250km/h then M6.
    This was done this summer in Croatia on autobahn Zagreb-Karlovac in Croatia during the night.



    Would be intersting to know the M6's 0-300 time. My guess (based on comparisons of 996TTS and two M6) is close to 50s.

    Re: VIdeo: Porsche 911 Turbo (997) vs BMW M5 Kelleners Sport

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    VGA18 said:
    Quote:
    355Spider said:
    The M6 runs about 188-120. That's quite a bit faster.




    This is 2004 It does 118mph
    http://www.dragtimes.com/Lamborghini-Gallardo-Timeslip-3286.html

    And their comparison
    http://www.dragtimes.com/compare2.php?ma...Name=Compare%21


    Well you found one Gallardo that ran 118. That doesn't mean they all do. And when you average all the speeds for all the gallardos on that site you get 116mph which is almost exactly where I said it was. I do think both cars are going to be close on average but this M6 just happened to be a little faster. No big shocker.

    Re: VIdeo: Porsche 911 Turbo (997) vs BMW M5 Kelleners Sport

    I saw a video that M6 launching and going till 320kmh.

    Of course the exact time cannot be known but wiht some small error but you can see it.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5Sy5ZpAS48

    Car starts move at 27sec and 300kmh is about at 1min 11sec.(they said 200kmh and 300kmh i guess at these time) So its 0-300kmh is around 44sec and 0-200kmh seems at around 14-14.5sec

    Re: VIdeo: Porsche 911 Turbo (997) vs BMW M5 Kelleners Sport

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    355Spider said:
    Quote:
    VGA18 said:
    Quote:
    355Spider said:
    The M6 runs about 188-120. That's quite a bit faster.




    This is 2004 It does 118mph
    http://www.dragtimes.com/Lamborghini-Gallardo-Timeslip-3286.html

    And their comparison
    http://www.dragtimes.com/compare2.php?ma...Name=Compare%21


    Well you found one Gallardo that ran 118. That doesn't mean they all do. And when you average all the speeds for all the gallardos on that site you get 116mph which is almost exactly where I said it was. I do think both cars are going to be close on average but this M6 just happened to be a little faster. No big shocker.



    Ok average of Gallardo is about 116-117 but i ve never seen a M6 doing 118-120 at 1/4 mile.
    BTW iwas thinking that G was E-gear and talked about Sport mode lots of times. . Ignore it!! no sport mode. I was thinking about a driver or gear fault maybe. M6 is fast car i accept but i dont think such a difference can be occur like this.

    Re: VIdeo: Porsche 911 Turbo (997) vs BMW M5 Kelleners Sport

    355 spider,

    Yes 2004-2005 G's have longer gear rations than 2006's and SE. Also 2006 and SE has +20 cranck hp.

    For the dyno issues 2006's and SE gives about 415-420rwhp with stock. Best i ve seen is 437 hp (i guess it was only with exhausts ).
    For m5/m6 i saw dyno rwhp is around 415-425rwhp.

    Re: VIdeo: Porsche 911 Turbo (997) vs BMW M5 Kelleners Sport

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    VGA18 said:
    I saw a video that M6 launching and going till 320kmh.

    Of course the exact time cannot be known but wiht some small error but you can see it.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5Sy5ZpAS48

    Car starts move at 27sec and 300kmh is about at 1min 11sec.(they said 200kmh and 300kmh i guess at these time) So its 0-300kmh is around 44sec and 0-200kmh seems at around 14-14.5sec



    You mean 300kph based on speedo... "True" 0-300 must be pretty close to 50s (maybe slightly below) based on our tests

    Re: VIdeo: Porsche 911 Turbo (997) vs BMW M5 Kelleners Sport

    Yup for speedo i mean. I dont know the exact time of Gallardo for 0-300kmh i did around 330kmh on speedo but dont know the exact time.

    Do u have any 0-300kmh result. I mean any porsche bmw Lambo Ferrari vs. Can u pm me if yes

    Re: VIdeo: Porsche 911 Turbo (997) vs BMW M5 Kelleners Sport

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    VGA18 said:
    355 spider,

    Yes 2004-2005 G's have longer gear rations than 2006's and SE. Also 2006 and SE has +20 cranck hp.

    For the dyno issues 2006's and SE gives about 415-420rwhp with stock. Best i ve seen is 437 hp (i guess it was only with exhausts ).
    For m5/m6 i saw dyno rwhp is around 415-425rwhp.


    SO the SE has 20 more hp than the one in the vid so that would make it dyno at around 395-400 most likely. That's about what I thought it would. With an M6 with 425hp it could pull on a Gallardo. I don't see why that one was so suprising to everyone. WHen you take an honest look at real power to the ground and then consider weight as well as the 7 spd SMG tranny it makes sense the M6 could win. He could have had a rather hot M6 and the Gallardo might have been a slow one. Who knows. I guess it could have been driver error as well. It's pretty hard to make a mistake in an e gear though.

    Re: VIdeo: Porsche 911 Turbo (997) vs BMW M5 Kelleners Sport

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    VGA18 said:
    Yup for speedo i mean. I dont know the exact time of Gallardo for 0-300kmh i did around 330kmh on speedo but dont know the exact time.

    Do u have any 0-300kmh result. I mean any porsche bmw Lambo Ferrari vs. Can u pm me if yes



    Based on personal experience and tests done by other Rennteamers it is safe to say that (all numbers 0-300):

    997TT: ca. 40-41s
    996TTS (450hp): ca. 48s
    M6: ca. 50s
    M6 (530hp): ca. 48s

    I was told by reliable sources that:

    Gallardo (520hp): ca. 40-41s
    F430: ca. 40-41s
    Z06: ca. 40-41s
    (i.e.: these three cars and the 997TT have a very similar 0-300 performance)

    AMS has published the following (from my memory):

    Enzo: 26s
    Mercedes SLR: 30s
    Carrera GT: 34s
    Murcielago (580hp): 32-34s
    SL65: ca. 32.5s

    Also, I would expect (and will confirm next week) that:

    599GTB: ca. 30s

    Re: VIdeo: Porsche 911 Turbo (997) vs BMW M5 Kelleners Sport

    BTW: In order to correctly interpret the above numbers it is essential to understand that 0-250kph and 250kph-300kph performance can differ SUBSTANTIALLY.

    For example, the 996TTS (450hp) is very close to the 997TT up to around 240-250kph. However, beyond that point the 997TT is MUCH faster than the 996TTS.

    Also, recent magazine tests indicate that Z06 and F430 are faster than 997TT between 50kph and 250kph. As the above 0-300 numbers for Z06 and F430 are fairly reliable the 997TT should gain on these competiors above 250kph. I hope that somebody can post the outcome of a direct comparison at some point in the future...

    In both cases (Z06 and F430) the gearing of the highest gear might be the explanation

    Re: VIdeo: Porsche 911 Turbo (997) vs BMW M5 Kelleners Sport

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    MKSGR said:
    Quote:
    VGA18 said:
    Yup for speedo i mean. I dont know the exact time of Gallardo for 0-300kmh i did around 330kmh on speedo but dont know the exact time.

    Do u have any 0-300kmh result. I mean any porsche bmw Lambo Ferrari vs. Can u pm me if yes



    Based on personal experience and tests done by other Rennteamers it is safe to say that (all numbers 0-300):

    997TT: ca. 40-41s
    996TTS (450hp): ca. 48s
    M6: ca. 50s
    M6 (530hp): ca. 48s

    I was told by reliable sources that:

    Gallardo (520hp): ca. 40-41s
    F430: ca. 40-41s
    Z06: ca. 40-41s
    (i.e.: these three cars and the 997TT have a very similar 0-300 performance)

    AMS has published the following (from my memory):

    Enzo: 26s
    Mercedes SLR: 30s
    Carrera GT: 34s
    Murcielago (580hp): 32-34s
    SL65: ca. 32.5s

    Also, I would expect (and will confirm next week) that:

    599GTB: ca. 30s




    So, it would be safe to say that the Gallardo actually gains on both the Turbo and the 430 above 250 km/h?

    0-300 km/h times:

    Enzo 26,1 s
    SLR 30,6 s
    CGT 34,2 s
    Murci 37,6 s

    The SL65 time is about right - talk about fast!
    It would seem that most of these cars are geared towards fast low-end acceleration (M6), but lose out on top. What would be interesting, with so many gears, would be to see the M5 with a manual gearbox race against the SMG M5. I'm willing to bet the car would be significantly slower in the lower speed ranges.

    Re: VIdeo: Porsche 911 Turbo (997) vs BMW M5 Kelleners Sport

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    MKSGR said:
    Quote:
    VGA18 said:
    Yup for speedo i mean. I dont know the exact time of Gallardo for 0-300kmh i did around 330kmh on speedo but dont know the exact time.

    Do u have any 0-300kmh result. I mean any porsche bmw Lambo Ferrari vs. Can u pm me if yes



    Based on personal experience and tests done by other Rennteamers it is safe to say that (all numbers 0-300):

    997TT: ca. 40-41s
    996TTS (450hp): ca. 48s
    M6: ca. 50s
    M6 (530hp): ca. 48s

    I was told by reliable sources that:

    Gallardo (520hp): ca. 40-41s
    F430: ca. 40-41s
    Z06: ca. 40-41s
    (i.e.: these three cars and the 997TT have a very similar 0-300 performance)

    AMS has published the following (from my memory):

    Enzo: 26s
    Mercedes SLR: 30s
    Carrera GT: 34s
    Murcielago (580hp): 32-34s
    SL65: ca. 32.5s

    Also, I would expect (and will confirm next week) that:

    599GTB: ca. 30s



    Thanks a lot my friend


    @Crash: Crash i said once or twice in this forum about Gallardo is perfect above 250kmh especially at the end rpms of the 5th gear which indicates when redline (about 290kmh on speedo). But that was not taken serious on this forum
    For the Gallardo mk1 its 100-200kmh is slower than F430 and 997TT but after 250kmh it is really beast. I can really say a driver can easily notice the bad 100-200kmh performancebut after 250 it smiles me

    Re: VIdeo: Porsche 911 Turbo (997) vs BMW M5 Kelleners Sport

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    MKSGR said:
    Quote:
    VGA18 said:
    Yup for speedo i mean. I dont know the exact time of Gallardo for 0-300kmh i did around 330kmh on speedo but dont know the exact time.

    Do u have any 0-300kmh result. I mean any porsche bmw Lambo Ferrari vs. Can u pm me if yes



    Based on personal experience and tests done by other Rennteamers it is safe to say that (all numbers 0-300):

    997TT: ca. 40-41s
    996TTS (450hp): ca. 48s
    M6: ca. 50s
    M6 (530hp): ca. 48s

    I was told by reliable sources that:

    Gallardo (520hp): ca. 40-41s
    F430: ca. 40-41s
    Z06: ca. 40-41s
    (i.e.: these three cars and the 997TT have a very similar 0-300 performance)

    AMS has published the following (from my memory):

    Enzo: 26s
    Mercedes SLR: 30s
    Carrera GT: 34s
    Murcielago (580hp): 32-34s
    SL65: ca. 32.5s

    Also, I would expect (and will confirm next week) that:

    599GTB: ca. 30s



    That's way off for the Z06. It's faster than both the SL65 and Murcielago. I've raced both a Gallardo and a Murci from about 50-160mph. I was about 6 car lengths ahead of the Gallardo and 3 ahead of the Murci. 1/2 behind a Ford GT. I'm getting a g-tech soon so i'll furnish some real numbers.

    Re: VIdeo: Porsche 911 Turbo (997) vs BMW M5 Kelleners Sport

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    355Spider said:
    Quote:
    MKSGR said:
    Quote:
    VGA18 said:
    Yup for speedo i mean. I dont know the exact time of Gallardo for 0-300kmh i did around 330kmh on speedo but dont know the exact time.

    Do u have any 0-300kmh result. I mean any porsche bmw Lambo Ferrari vs. Can u pm me if yes



    Based on personal experience and tests done by other Rennteamers it is safe to say that (all numbers 0-300):

    997TT: ca. 40-41s
    996TTS (450hp): ca. 48s
    M6: ca. 50s
    M6 (530hp): ca. 48s

    I was told by reliable sources that:

    Gallardo (520hp): ca. 40-41s
    F430: ca. 40-41s
    Z06: ca. 40-41s
    (i.e.: these three cars and the 997TT have a very similar 0-300 performance)

    AMS has published the following (from my memory):

    Enzo: 26s
    Mercedes SLR: 30s
    Carrera GT: 34s
    Murcielago (580hp): 32-34s
    SL65: ca. 32.5s

    Also, I would expect (and will confirm next week) that:

    599GTB: ca. 30s



    That's way off for the Z06. It's faster than both the SL65 and Murcielago. I've raced both a Gallardo and a Murci from about 50-160mph. I was about 6 car lengths ahead of the Gallardo and 3 ahead of the Murci. 1/2 behind a Ford GT. I'm getting a g-tech soon so i'll furnish some real numbers.



    The problem is that your test ended at 160mph (speedo, maybe real 245 kph)... The important question is: what happens between 245kph and 300kph.

    In particular, Lamborrghini cars seem to have a better performance above 250kph than many competitors. That also explanis why the 0-200kph times of Gallardo and Murcielago are not that good while 0-300kph figures are quite impressive...

    Re: VIdeo: Porsche 911 Turbo (997) vs BMW M5 Kelleners Sport

    Thats what i realy expecting.
    Well said!!

    Re: VIdeo: Porsche 911 Turbo (997) vs BMW M5 Kelleners Sport

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    355Spider said:
    Quote:
    MKSGR said:
    Quote:
    VGA18 said:
    Yup for speedo i mean. I dont know the exact time of Gallardo for 0-300kmh i did around 330kmh on speedo but dont know the exact time.

    Do u have any 0-300kmh result. I mean any porsche bmw Lambo Ferrari vs. Can u pm me if yes



    Based on personal experience and tests done by other Rennteamers it is safe to say that (all numbers 0-300):

    997TT: ca. 40-41s
    996TTS (450hp): ca. 48s
    M6: ca. 50s
    M6 (530hp): ca. 48s

    I was told by reliable sources that:

    Gallardo (520hp): ca. 40-41s
    F430: ca. 40-41s
    Z06: ca. 40-41s
    (i.e.: these three cars and the 997TT have a very similar 0-300 performance)

    AMS has published the following (from my memory):

    Enzo: 26s
    Mercedes SLR: 30s
    Carrera GT: 34s
    Murcielago (580hp): 32-34s
    SL65: ca. 32.5s

    Also, I would expect (and will confirm next week) that:

    599GTB: ca. 30s



    That's way off for the Z06. It's faster than both the SL65 and Murcielago. I've raced both a Gallardo and a Murci from about 50-160mph. I was about 6 car lengths ahead of the Gallardo and 3 ahead of the Murci. 1/2 behind a Ford GT. I'm getting a g-tech soon so i'll furnish some real numbers.


    Well i've driven a Murci at 180 on Texas Motor Speedway and they don't accelerate from 160-180 any better than they do from 140-160. It's pretty linear. My Z06 is the same way. I've had it up to 190mph and it absolutely rampages up to that speed. So unless a Murci can miracualously make up 8 or 9 car lengths from 160-180 then I don't think so. That would be the difference of a 41 sec 0-180 and a 32 sec. Those numbers just aren't right. I'm getting a gtech soon so i'll get some real numbers and download them. Should be interesting. Maybe I can get some friends out there with other cars. My buddy has a GT2 and a Viper that he would pony up for the test.

    Re: VIdeo: Porsche 911 Turbo (997) vs BMW M5 Kelleners Sport

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    355Spider said:
    Quote:
    355Spider said:
    Quote:
    MKSGR said:
    Quote:
    VGA18 said:
    Yup for speedo i mean. I dont know the exact time of Gallardo for 0-300kmh i did around 330kmh on speedo but dont know the exact time.

    Do u have any 0-300kmh result. I mean any porsche bmw Lambo Ferrari vs. Can u pm me if yes



    Based on personal experience and tests done by other Rennteamers it is safe to say that (all numbers 0-300):

    997TT: ca. 40-41s
    996TTS (450hp): ca. 48s
    M6: ca. 50s
    M6 (530hp): ca. 48s

    I was told by reliable sources that:

    Gallardo (520hp): ca. 40-41s
    F430: ca. 40-41s
    Z06: ca. 40-41s
    (i.e.: these three cars and the 997TT have a very similar 0-300 performance)

    AMS has published the following (from my memory):

    Enzo: 26s
    Mercedes SLR: 30s
    Carrera GT: 34s
    Murcielago (580hp): 32-34s
    SL65: ca. 32.5s

    Also, I would expect (and will confirm next week) that:

    599GTB: ca. 30s



    That's way off for the Z06. It's faster than both the SL65 and Murcielago. I've raced both a Gallardo and a Murci from about 50-160mph. I was about 6 car lengths ahead of the Gallardo and 3 ahead of the Murci. 1/2 behind a Ford GT. I'm getting a g-tech soon so i'll furnish some real numbers.


    Well i've driven a Murci at 180 on Texas Motor Speedway and they don't accelerate from 160-180 any better than they do from 140-160. It's pretty linear. My Z06 is the same way. I've had it up to 190mph and it absolutely rampages up to that speed. So unless a Murci can miracualously make up 8 or 9 car lengths from 160-180 then I don't think so. That would be the difference of a 41 sec 0-180 and a 32 sec. Those numbers just aren't right. I'm getting a gtech soon so i'll get some real numbers and download them. Should be interesting. Maybe I can get some friends out there with other cars. My buddy has a GT2 and a Viper that he would pony up for the test.



    You will not "feel" those differences at higher speeds that easily (in particular, if you are not used to driving at around 300kph).

    One example: The 997TT is not much faster than the 996TTS up to around 240-250kph. Beyond that point it gains substantially on the 996TTS.

    However, you need a stop watch to recognize that the gap widens by around 5 seconds in that speed range...

    My point is: you need to time the acceleration process in order to properly compare it. Also: please note that the above figures are based on fairly reliable sources. There must be some truth in them (BTW: The Murcielago figure Crash has posted above is the right one, i.e. AMS based).

    Re: VIdeo: Porsche 911 Turbo (997) vs BMW M5 Kelleners Sport

    Yes, the Murci does it in around 37 seconds. The Corvette should be at around 40 seconds and if we take the roughly 1,5-to-2-second difference in the Vette's favor up to 250 km/h from the equation, it really shows how fast the Murci is at higher speeds.

    Re: VIdeo: Porsche 911 Turbo (997) vs BMW M5 Kelleners Sport

    Yeah I completely agree that but dynos are unreliable as hell. I haven't personally timed either car. I get my g-tech next week so I am going to try and get some hard numbers. Out of curiosity MKSGR, where did you get 0-180mph numbers for a Z06. I've never seen any.

    Re: VIdeo: Porsche 911 Turbo (997) vs BMW M5 Kelle

    Guys, didn't you all forget that the M5/M6 cars are neutered at 155mph/250km/hr? So there is no point in even comparing the M6, it's a lesser car that not even in the league of Lambos, Ferraris, Porsches and even the Z06. The Merc can be factory optioned to be neutered at 186mph/300km so it's a borderline car.

    If we are comparing modified cars, then it's on fair to compared a modified Turbo to a modified M6, not a stock one.

    If I go hunting for a M5/M6, I will take my CLS55, 997TT is a step above them, you wouldn't race a Civic in your Turbo would you?

    Re: VIdeo: Porsche 911 Turbo (997) vs BMW M5 Kelle

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    Whoopsy said:
    Guys, didn't you all forget that the M5/M6 cars are neutered at 155mph/250km/hr? So there is no point in even comparing the M6, it's a lesser car that not even in the league of Lambos, Ferraris, Porsches and even the Z06. The Merc can be factory optioned to be neutered at 186mph/300km so it's a borderline car.

    If we are comparing modified cars, then it's on fair to compared a modified Turbo to a modified M6, not a stock one.

    If I go hunting for a M5/M6, I will take my CLS55, 997TT is a step above them, you wouldn't race a Civic in your Turbo would you?



    The M cars can be delimited up to 305 km/h...

    Re: VIdeo: Porsche 911 Turbo (997) vs BMW M5 Kelle

    I ve seen a video Murci does 37.4 second to 0-300kmh at Nardo high speed track.

    Re: VIdeo: Porsche 911 Turbo (997) vs BMW M5 Kelle

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    Whoopsy said:
    Guys, didn't you all forget that the M5/M6 cars are neutered at 155mph/250km/hr? So there is no point in even comparing the M6, it's a lesser car that not even in the league of Lambos, Ferraris, Porsches and even the Z06. The Merc can be factory optioned to be neutered at 186mph/300km so it's a borderline car.

    If we are comparing modified cars, then it's on fair to compared a modified Turbo to a modified M6, not a stock one.

    If I go hunting for a M5/M6, I will take my CLS55, 997TT is a step above them, you wouldn't race a Civic in your Turbo would you?


    I think it's pretty impressive that we're even comparing them. BMW is the only company with 3 4-seater cars that run the ring in times that are at or above many sports cars. I mean the M5/M6 both run the ring faster than the 360, 360 Stradale, 996 turbo etc..

    Re: VIdeo: Porsche 911 Turbo (997) vs BMW M5 Kelle

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    355Spider said:
    Quote:
    Whoopsy said:
    Guys, didn't you all forget that the M5/M6 cars are neutered at 155mph/250km/hr? So there is no point in even comparing the M6, it's a lesser car that not even in the league of Lambos, Ferraris, Porsches and even the Z06. The Merc can be factory optioned to be neutered at 186mph/300km so it's a borderline car.

    If we are comparing modified cars, then it's on fair to compared a modified Turbo to a modified M6, not a stock one.

    If I go hunting for a M5/M6, I will take my CLS55, 997TT is a step above them, you wouldn't race a Civic in your Turbo would you?


    I think it's pretty impressive that we're even comparing them. BMW is the only company with 3 4-seater cars that run the ring in times that are at or above many sports cars. I mean the M5/M6 both run the ring faster than the 360, 360 Stradale, 996 turbo etc..



    Nope, they don't actually run faster than the 996 Turbo or the Stradale. The M cars are both stuck above 8 minutes. The Turbo and the 360CS did 7:56. However, on a straight stretch of road, I wouldn't want to have any of the two M cars behind me.

    Re: VIdeo: Porsche 911 Turbo (997) vs BMW M5 Kelle

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    355Spider said:
    I mean the M5/M6 both run the ring faster than the 360, 360 Stradale, 996 turbo etc..



    Not quite Actually, the M5/M6 is slower on the Ring than each of the cars you mention

    Re: VIdeo: Porsche 911 Turbo (997) vs BMW M5 Kelle

    I think the M5 has done a time of 7:52 if remember correctly.
    http://www.rhein-main.net/sixcms/detail.php/1879435?topic_id=731907

    Here's a list for some times that I have.
    7:28 --- 166.652 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, Walther Röhrl,(Autobild July 2004)
    7:32.44 163.911 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, definitive time by Horst Von Saurma (sport auto)
    7:32.52 163.882 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO, Wolfgang Kaufmann (sport auto 2001) http://www.gemballa.com/news/gtr6002.html
    7:36 --- 162.631 km/h -- AC-Schnitzer M3 CLS II E36, 350 hp, Michelin Sport Cup R , Mattias Ekblom
    7:36 --- 162.631 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, factory test driver Walther Röhrl (2002)
    7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche GT3 RS, stock but Pirelli P Zero Corsa, Mattias Ekblom, ams
    7:40* -- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, *cold and partially wet track (sport auto 12/2003)
    7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Mercedes Benz McLaren SLR, Klaus Ludwig (Autobild 07/2004)
    7:41 --- 160.868 km/h - Manthey Porsche GT3 M410, 413hp (AutoBild 07/2004) http://www.manthey-motors.de/nextshopcms/c...spdf.asp?id=217
    7:42 --- 160.519 km/h -- Mosler MT900S Photon, Joao Barbosa, 2004 (according to dailysportscar.net)
    7:42 --- 160.519 km/h -- Radical 1500 SR3 (2002)
    7:43 --- 160.173 km/h -- TechArt Porsche GT Street, 620 hp/1453 kg, (sport auto 08/2002)
    7:43 --- 160.173 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, factory test driver Walter Röhrl (MOTOR Magazine)
    7:43.5 - 160,000 km/h -- Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine 2002)
    7:44 --- 159.828 km/h -- Pagani Zonda C12 S, 580 hp/1820 kg (sport auto 07/2002)
    7:45 --- 159.484 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600, 600hp (2000)
    7:45* -- 159.484 km/h -- McLaren F1, *estimated lap time from a video available at www.pistonheads.tv
    7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT2, 462 hp/1450 kg (sport auto 06/2001)
    7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- Jaguar XJ220, John Walton (EVO magzine 07/200), http://www.jwhubbers.nl/ring/docs/evo-0007-7.jpg
    7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- SHK Porsche 993 GT2, 652hp (sport auto 1999)
    7:47 --- 158.801 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, 381hp (sport auto 03/2004)
    7.49 --- 158.124 km/h -- Porsche GT3, 392hp (AutoBild 2004) http://www.autobild.de/tuning/testberichte...artikel_seite=4
    7:49 --- 158.124 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 Cup, 360 hp/1207 kg (sport auto 02/1999)
    7:49.72 157.885 km/h -- Honda RC30, Helmut Daehne 1993 (moto bike)
    7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- BMW E46 M3 CSL (sport auto 08/2003)
    7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- Blitz Supra, 750hp, Herbert Schürg (1997)
    7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- Lamborghini Murcielago, 462 hp/1450 kg (sport auto 06/2002)
    7:50 --- 157.787 km/h - Westfield Super 7 with Hayabusa engine, http://nurburgring.free.fr/Vids/Bren_Westi...vx504_1_350.avi
    7:52 --- 157.119 km/h - BMW M5 (E60), 507 hp, http://www.rhein-main.net/sixcms/detail.ph...topic_id=731907
    7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche 911 Le Mans (sport auto 1995)
    7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Lamborghini Gallardo E-Gear (sort auto 12/2003)
    7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren (port auto 06/2004)
    7:54 --- 156.456 km/h - Mercedes CLK DTM AMG, 582bhp/1678kg, (sport auto 03/2005), http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThr...fID=2&tID=27415
    7:54 --- 156.456 km/h -- Porsche GT3 (996) (2003)
    7:55 --- 156.126 km/h -- Caterham R500 Superlight, Robert Nearn (EVO magazine 07/2000)
    7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale, 425 hp/1387 kg (sport auto 02/2004)
    7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Porsche 996 Turbo, 420 hp/1569 kg (sport auto 06/2000)
    7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette C6 (company test driver Dave Hill)
    7:57 --- 155.472 km/h -- Lotec Porsche 993 Turbo, 600hp/1558 kg (sport auto 05/1998)
    7:59 --- 154.822 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM settino "Performance", (Walter Röhrl WHEELS 06/ 2004)
    7:59 --- 154.822 km/h -- Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R, Dirk Schoymans (Autocar magazine 1997)
    8:02 --- 154.338 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM settino "Sport", (Walter Röhrl WHEELS 06/ 2004)
    8:03 --- 153.540 km/h -- Porsche 911 GT3, 360 hp/1391 kg (sport auto 08/1999)

    Re: VIdeo: Porsche 911 Turbo (997) vs BMW M5 Kelle

    The sportauto Supertest reported the following:

    M5: 8.13
    M6: 8.09 (on cup tires)
    F360: 8.09
    F360CS: 7.56
    996TT: 7.56


    Re: VIdeo: Porsche 911 Turbo (997) vs BMW M5 Kelle

    Quote:
    MKSGR said:
    The sportauto Supertest reported the following:

    M5: 8.13
    M6: 8.09 (on cup tires)
    F360: 8.09
    F360CS: 7.56
    996TT: 7.56




    Is that just their test? I had always heard the M5 had run a 7:52.

    Re: VIdeo: Porsche 911 Turbo (997) vs BMW M5 Kelle

    Quote:
    355Spider said:
    Quote:
    MKSGR said:
    The sportauto Supertest reported the following:

    M5: 8.13
    M6: 8.09 (on cup tires)
    F360: 8.09
    F360CS: 7.56
    996TT: 7.56




    Is that just their test? I had always heard the M5 had run a 7:52.



    Unless I am mistaken, the only stock production BMW that has run below eight minutes is the M3 CSL using Cup tires.

     
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