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    Re: [2022] Formula 1

    watt:
    Josef:
    Whoopsy:. Put Alonso in either the Ferrari, Red Bull or Mercedes in the last couple years, he will surely be up there within striking distance of the driver's title if not win it.

    I defintely agree with that!

    Imagine Alonso at MB, he'd crush Lewee. He hasn't lost that much with ageSmiley

    Here we go again, when are you going to layoff the guy ? It's getting a bit lame now with this Lewis Hamilton bashing always coming from you. Makes one not to want to read this thread !!!!


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    You could agree or disagree with his comment but can you tell me where in his post did he "bash" Hamilton??? 


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    Whoopsy:

    As far back as one can count, the F1 Championship has always been about the car more than the driver.

    Whichever team has the fastest car will have the greatest chance of producing a driver's champion. it's not even a secret, F1 is a constructor's series, driver title is just incidental. Good drivers will wish they can get into the fastest car, the fastest car team will also wanted to have the best drivers lineup. 

    Some great drivers will luck out and be at the right team at the right time, thus producing one or multiple driver's titles. The one offs? Button with Brawn is the most recent one. While others won't as they will be stuck in mid field teams or worse. Not that those are any less capable. Put Alonso in either the Ferrari, Red Bull or Mercedes in the last couple years, he will surely be up there within striking distance of the driver's title if not win it. 

     

    Very true


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    We are right back to Red Bull era right now. Every rules change brings a different team to the front of the pack. 

    The only team that actually stayed in the front through a rule change was Mercedes, when they changed the car to be wider. That was a great fight between Ferrari, who actually has the faster car, and Mercedes. 

    Before the two Mercedes era, it was Red Bull again for 4 straight years. Right after Brawn aced the regs. 

    Ferrari had a long reign but Renault interrupted that era with a trick tuned mass damper that gifted Alonso his 2 driver's titles. 

    And before all of those, outside of Williams' innovative active suspension era, it was more on engines. Honda had an all conquering engine that powers them to multiple titles, so did Renault. 

    Even a great car needs a great driver to pilot it to victories. If Red Bull doesn't have Verstappen, would one remotely think Perez could be that pilot to take the driver's title? Nope. But equally, if we put Leclerc, Hamilton, Alonso, or even Norris or Russell in #33, they will equally be as dominant as Verstappen. install Verstappen into the Mercedes last few years, he will also deliver those titles also. The top ranked drivers are really all interchangeable, differences between them is really tiny, perhaps maturity differs but after a few years they all seasoned into almost perfection. 

     


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    Carlos from Spain:

    You could agree or disagree with his comment but can you tell me where in his post did he "bash" Hamilton??? 

    Any indication that Hamilton is not the best driver, humanitarian, and all around greatest human being in the world, is bashing him. 

     

    JK Smiley


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    JoeRockhead:
    Carlos from Spain:

    You could agree or disagree with his comment but can you tell me where in his post did he "bash" Hamilton??? 

    Any indication that Hamilton is not the best driver, humanitarian, and all around greatest human being in the world, is bashing him. 

     

    JK Smiley

     

    Haha, just as for those that do not agree with Max fans' opinions that Max is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

    The drivers are actually in agreement, social media, and the new Netflix F1 fans, are quite toxic. 

    We real race fans should cheer about the quality of drivers right now, except Latifi or Stroll. We have Alonso, Vettel and Hamilton representing the old guards, who are in their twilight of their career yet is still putting out great performances, together with the young guns, leading with Verstappen who is the most successful so far, with Leclerc, Russell, Norris, Sainz closely behind, Gasly, Ocon and Albon not far behind those. Zhou is also impressive as a rookie. Mix in the solid if not spectacular ones like Perez, Ricciardo and Bottas and K-Mag. We gonna have Piastri coming in next year to add more competition for the mid pack fight. 

    The quality of drivers in a season has never been so high in the history of F1. 


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    Whoopsy:

    We are right back to Red Bull era right now. Every rules change brings a different team to the front of the pack. 

    The only team that actually stayed in the front through a rule change was Mercedes, when they changed the car to be wider. That was a great fight between Ferrari, who actually has the faster car, and Mercedes. 

    Before the two Mercedes era, it was Red Bull again for 4 straight years. Right after Brawn aced the regs. 

    Ferrari had a long reign but Renault interrupted that era with a trick tuned mass damper that gifted Alonso his 2 driver's titles. 

    And before all of those, outside of Williams' innovative active suspension era, it was more on engines. Honda had an all conquering engine that powers them to multiple titles, so did Renault. 

    Even a great car needs a great driver to pilot it to victories. If Red Bull doesn't have Verstappen, would one remotely think Perez could be that pilot to take the driver's title? Nope. But equally, if we put Leclerc, Hamilton, Alonso, or even Norris or Russell in #33, they will equally be as dominant as Verstappen. install Verstappen into the Mercedes last few years, he will also deliver those titles also. The top ranked drivers are really all interchangeable, differences between them is really tiny, perhaps maturity differs but after a few years they all seasoned into almost perfection. 

     

    Agreed, but what always surprises me is how we tend to place one driver far above the rest, you hear things like he is one in a million, he is by far the best of the grid, he is an unique talent, and so on referring to X or Y driver on the grid,  when if fact as you mention, if you take the car out of the equation, there is a handful of drivers that will deliver the same performance or results if they had the same car and circumstances Smiley and in that bias, most of what is the merit of the car is attributed to the driver, unless the driver looses, then it's "if only the car would have performed as good as the rival's he would of won".... we all do this to some extent, we are fascinating creatures indecision


    Re: [2022] Formula 1

    watt:
    Josef:
    Whoopsy:. Put Alonso in either the Ferrari, Red Bull or Mercedes in the last couple years, he will surely be up there within striking distance of the driver's title if not win it.

    I defintely agree with that!

    Imagine Alonso at MB, he'd crush Lewee. He hasn't lost that much with ageSmiley

    I think Hamiltons own tweet in response to Alonso works here Smiley

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    Agreed, with the salary cap and new rights owners growing the pie, teams have become more valuable and the need to employ pay drivers is pretty much a thing of the past now.  So driver quality should be getting better and better. Smiley


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    Carlos from Spain:
     

    Agreed, but what always surprises me is how we tend to place one driver far above the rest, you hear things like he is one in a million, he is by far the best of the grid, he is an unique talent, and so on referring to X or Y driver on the grid,  when if fact as you mention, if you take the car out of the equation, there is a handful of drivers that will deliver the same performance or results if they had the same car and circumstances Smiley and in that bias, most of what is the merit of the car is attributed to the driver, unless the driver looses, then it's "if only the car would have performed as good as the rival's he would of won".... we all do this to some extent, we are fascinating creatures indecision

     

    There will always be such a phase in people. Things turned into a subjective thing. Also the origin of the driver plays a big role. Dutch fans almost certain will be cheering for Max, well next year they will have a second driver to cheer for.

    Germans was always on Schumacher, and Vettel. French, Brazilian, Spanish have their respective ones also. Mexicans are totally on Perez. Italians however are more about THEIR team, Ferrari. 

    British, well it's not always Hamilton, there is Norris and Russell. 

    Media bias? Hmm not really a thing. Just about every team is based in the UK, they are all their teams. Outside of Alpine and Ferrari, all of them also employ mostly British people. Heck Red Bull is more British than Mercedes with Horner at the helm as oppose to Toto the Austrian leading a German team. 

    All sorts of things happening when it comes to fans


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    Media also is not innocencent of it either, teams may be based in UK but the drivers are not and the press has their bias too

    https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/verstappen-sky-f1-boycott-in-mexico-due-to-constant-disrespect/10393104/


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    Yeah, for me it is interesting to see the comments from some of the members here as well. Obviously, the NL is quite pro-RedBull, and for example the comments that Toto is an angel and Horner is a whiny bully are completely different than what my "bubble" expresses. However you look at things, the fact is that F1 is first and foremost an entertainment vehicle nowadays, and I think entertainment is what we as viewers get. As long as we don't forget that it is all a game and not very important, just fun to watch and to cheer for the driver/team you are a fan of.


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    I agree that it is the case.  I think why we are hearing about the "Media Bias" so much is that most of the teams are actually based in the UK.   So Horner has to hear it first hand from his home media and why we really dont hear about NL media being biased against anyone as they are speaking to their home market.

    We have the same media eco chamber effect in the US, if you lean one way you watch FOX and if you lean the other you watch CNN.   And they complain about the reporting of each other.


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    Before Liberty Media, we rarely hear about media bias one way or another. 

    But now with the focus on delivering 'entertainment', any news, is good news, keeping the sport in the headlines. 

    For some of us that's older, we should remember not even long ago, most news headlines are concise, factual, a glance at headlines and we get the whole picture. But nowadays, the reporting standard is literally non-existence. Headlines are basically just click baits. They delivered nothing useful. 

    Heck, not even British reporting are bias FOR Toto. They even twists his words to create a conflict that's not even there with Red Bull. Costcap gate is the prime example. Articles are written that it was him that leaked the news when in fact he was asked about it by reporters and he was only commenting on it. He wasn't even the loudest voice, Seidl from McLaren and Binotto from Ferrari were louder but those got swept aside. 

     


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    https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1690699/Red-Bull-Lewis-Hamilton-Christian-Horner-Mexican-GP-F1-news

    Red Bull to launch investigation after mechanics helped out Lewis Hamilton at Mexican GP

     

    Here is another one of those irresponsible and untrue click bait headlines.

    The standard for reporters now is literally non-existent. 


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    Whoopsy:

    https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1690699/Red-Bull-Lewis-Hamilton-Christian-Horner-Mexican-GP-F1-news

    Red Bull to launch investigation after mechanics helped out Lewis Hamilton at Mexican GP

    Here is another one of those irresponsible and untrue click bait headlines.

    The standard for reporters now is literally non-existent. 

    The advertisers pay them based on the amount of traffic they get. So they literally don't care if you read it or not, just that you opened it. 


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    Enmanuel:
    Whoopsy:

    https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1690699/Red-Bull-Lewis-Hamilton-Christian-Horner-Mexican-GP-F1-news

    Red Bull to launch investigation after mechanics helped out Lewis Hamilton at Mexican GP

    Here is another one of those irresponsible and untrue click bait headlines.

    The standard for reporters now is literally non-existent. 

    The advertisers pay them based on the amount of traffic they get. So they literally don't care if you read it or not, just that you opened it. 

    Glad Max gave the finger tp sky spew, all the big team should boycott them, except mB of course


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    Why? Just because Max is now a 2 time back to back champion doesn't mean anyone needs to kowtow to him. 

    The only thing wrong Ted did was speaking the truth. And the truth hurts for Max. It's a sensitive spot for him and it will be till the end of time. 

    Even Max knows it something was fishy at Abu Dhabi and he was the beneficiary of the incident. Max had to study exactly the same FIA rules as I did in order to get his license and the rules weren't followed. Everyone on the grid had studied the exact same rulebook too. But most of the fans didn't and they were influenced by Horner or Toto one way or another. 

    At the time I had written about it, neutrally I might add as I based my judgement only on the rulebook and not the team or the drivers. But some people from the Max fan camp didn't like it and argue about it using Horner's BS. I had stated by merits for the first half of the season or even the complete season as whole, Max deserved to be the champion. But he faltered with repeated mental mistakes and with Hamilton and Mercedes' strategies and tenacity to even got it that close. Max was going to lose the championship, on track to, if not for Masi's incorrect intervention. Hamilton was rightfully robbed, which was the truth. 

    The Masi argument that 'it's a motor race' don't even holds any water. The moment the FIA rules aren't followed to the letter, it is no long a FIA sanctioned motor race and it's just a circus show. Which it was and the FIA agreed and sacked Masi. That's the end of it. I had also written about what would happen if the whole thing went to the appeal court, and even with them winning, which they will, Hamilton will still no be crown champion. It was a done deal no matter what. Not unlike Maradona's 'Hands of God' infraction. At least Maradona had thicker skin when questioned about it and still took 19 years to admit he cheated. Expect at least 19 years if not 20, when Max retires for him to admit Masi made a mistake to benefit him. 

    Fans' interest shouldn't overrule the rules of a sport. Rules needed to be followed to the letter. 

    I mean out of 300mil+ American citizens, I bet a lot would love to see public execution of criminals, should that be broadcasted live now and disregard the laws? Pretty sure that will be a greatest hit than Monday Night Football. Say execution by antiaircraft guns on the first week of the month, death by grenades for the 2nd week of the month, run over by tanks for 3rd week of the month etc. Would that be right? No, because the law doesn't allow it. Would you use upset if a judge says ok this pedophile is going to be executed by stoning, against US laws,  cause the 'fans' wanted it? That's exactly what happened at Abu Dhabi. 

    While I an no fans of Max, I had no problem of him winning the WDC this year. He cleaned up his on track behaviour, he won everything cleanly without outside help, he deserved to be celebrated as WDC. It's his validation for his skill as a driver. And a deserving 2 time champion even when last year he wasn't supposed to be one. 

     

     

     

     

     

     


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    Great trackkisswink

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    Who would have thought, K-Mag, of all people qualified 1st for the Sprint.

    And Ferrari strategists strikes again. Fuckign up Leclerc's runs. Unbelievable.

     


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    What is up with Ferrari. You have ten mins of quali, the circuit is dry but the rain is coming. The window in which starting on inters was so absolutely minuscule this was just another bonkers decision. The big hair dude has got to go, sorry. 


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    Exciting sprint race. They should have more of these imo. Surprised at Russell's performance, as he had not been doing particularly well lately, compared to Hamilton. 


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    Yes it was exciting race.

    Interesting to see Verstappen regress back to his old self when threatened. And he had already won everything. The cut back behind Sainz was totally unnecessary, as that had result in him damaging his own front plate and loses performance, and thus became a sitting duck. 

    Ocon and Alonso. Oh wow.

    Stroll on shovelling Vettel out of the track, another wow.

    Finally Russell got a taste of winning in a Mercedes. Hope he will continue that tomorrow. 

     


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    For once, a great sprint race. 

    But what is going on with Alonso lately ? Back to his old self.


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    Sky Sport did it again. Top notch.

    Got Glock to do a sit down with Hamilton on 2008 Brazilian GP. With Mssa outside adding his views.

    That was a lovely segment.

     


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    Interlagos never disappoints, always exciting race.

    It's like deja vu again, Verstappen plowing into Hamilton. Per the current rules and interpretations, that's Hamilton's corner as his front axle is ahead at the corner, and Verstappen needed to back off. While others could argue he is THERE and should have given space, that's not how the current rules states and being interpreted. 

    But let's see how good Verstappen is charging from the back after the incident. Hamilton showed it can be done last year.

    Leclerc is so lucky he didn't retired from the contact.

    Ricciardo. Oh Ricciardo.

     

     


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    What a great recovery drive by Verstappen, coming back in 6th.

    That last Red Bull message is so hollow, Verstappen isn't going let Perez pass back, that's not in him. Perez isn't gonna be happy with Verstappen, but what can he do? He is just the sidekick over there.

    Leclerc's radio message was also pathetic, Ferrari isn't gonna give that team order either. 

    More interesting exchange at Alpine, Ocon really really don't want to listen to team orders. 

    Russell, finally. He has a hyper impressive weekend. Wining the Sprint then the proper GP.

    What ifs could haves for Hamilton, he might have the pace to pass Russell if not for Verstappen crashing into him to put him out of position. 

    Brazilian GP never disappoints. 

     

     


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    All F1 drivers are selfish in some ways, but it would seem some are more than others, thinking they are bigger than the team. Every great driver will need their teammate at some point. Verstappen must not have remembered what Perez did for him last year at Abu Dhabi, and this is how he repay that favour? 

    With Verstappen unwilling to swap places back with Perez, now the door is open for Russell to take 2nd place in the WDC. He is 25 points behind Leclerc and Perez, and if Russell wins again and and get the fastest lap point, and Leclerc and Perez score no points, he would take 2nd and Perez would dropped to 4th. 

    How is Horner's resolve to lead the team and reign in Verstappen? Will he settle for letting Verstappen dictate what Red Bull can and cannot do in the future? I mean he is their golden goose, but at the end of the day he is still just an employee and can be replaced. 

    Fascinating about the issue and would love to be the fly on the wall behind closed doors in their team room. 

     


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    Whoopsy:

    All F1 drivers are selfish in some ways, but it would seem some are more than others, thinking they are bigger than the team. Every great driver will need their teammate at some point. Verstappen must not have remembered what Perez did for him last year at Abu Dhabi, and this is how he repay that favour? 

    With Verstappen unwilling to swap places back with Perez, now the door is open for Russell to take 2nd place in the WDC. He is 25 points behind Leclerc and Perez, and if Russell wins again and and get the fastest lap point, and Leclerc and Perez score no points, he would take 2nd and Perez would dropped to 4th. 

    How is Horner's resolve to lead the team and reign in Verstappen? Will he settle for letting Verstappen dictate what Red Bull can and cannot do in the future? I mean he is their golden goose, but at the end of the day he is still just an employee and can be replaced. 

    Fascinating about the issue and would love to be the fly on the wall behind closed doors in their team room. 

    Yeah, same here. I have to admit I was quite disappointed with his behavior.


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