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    Re: What should I get? X5 ///M or Q7 V12 TDi?

    Sorry for the lack of updates. I had to fly overseas again for the last 10 days on the last minute and just returned home.

    Went to drive the car this morning. It isn't nearly as sporty as the X5, but I really want to add an Audi to the stable. So I told the salesman to work out a good deal for me.

    This car is the one that is available right now. Bad thing is the price, $200,000 USD

    If I can't get a great deal on it, then I will probably get the X5M. It's more fun to drive

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    Re: What should I get? X5 ///M or Q7 V12 TDi?

    200000 USD ? Ouch. How much is the X5 M then ?


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, BMW X5 M (on the ship), BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW


    Re: What should I get? X5 ///M or Q7 V12 TDi?

    Without options $172,000, but that quickly goes over $200,000 again with one or two silly options.


    Re: What should I get? X5 ///M or Q7 V12 TDi?

    Mike S:

    Without options $172,000, but that quickly goes over $200,000 again with one or two silly options.

     

    Ouch again. Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, BMW X5 M (on the ship), BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW


    Re: What should I get? X5 ///M or Q7 V12 TDi?

    RC:
    Mike S:

    Without options $172,000, but that quickly goes over $200,000 again with one or two silly options.

     

    Ouch again. Smiley

     

    Hmmm - convert it to Europe and it is the same price the car is in Germany Smiley

    Anyway Smiley oooouch


    Re: What should I get? X5 ///M or Q7 V12 TDi?

    RC:
    Mike S:

    Without options $172,000, but that quickly goes over $200,000 again with one or two silly options.

     

    Ouch again. Smiley

     And again.  I'd go for the X5M, but if history has taught us anything is that if you want it you'll get it, so enjoy your new Q7 Smiley


    Re: What should I get? X5 ///M or Q7 V12 TDi?

    Enmanuel:
    RC:
    Mike S:

    Without options $172,000, but that quickly goes over $200,000 again with one or two silly options.

     

    Ouch again. Smiley

     And again.  I'd go for the X5M, but if history has taught us anything is that if you want it you'll get it, so enjoy your new Q7 Smiley


    Yeah Mike, I see on the last picture that they are taking it out of the showroom for you Smiley


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    Re: What should I get? X5 ///M or Q7 V12 TDi?

    FFaust:
    Enmanuel:
    RC:
    Mike S:

    Without options $172,000, but that quickly goes over $200,000 again with one or two silly options.

     

    Ouch again. Smiley

     And again.  I'd go for the X5M, but if history has taught us anything is that if you want it you'll get it, so enjoy your new Q7 Smiley


    Yeah Mike, I see on the last picture that they are taking it out of the showroom for you Smiley


    That's not quite correct FFaust. Mike suddenly found that car in one of his garages and now brings it in for service.


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    Re: What should I get? X5 ///M or Q7 V12 TDi?

    Rossi:
    FFaust:
    Enmanuel:
    RC:
    Mike S:

    Without options $172,000, but that quickly goes over $200,000 again with one or two silly options.

     

    Ouch again. Smiley

     And again.  I'd go for the X5M, but if history has taught us anything is that if you want it you'll get it, so enjoy your new Q7 Smiley


    Yeah Mike, I see on the last picture that they are taking it out of the showroom for you Smiley


    That's not quite correct FFaust. Mike suddenly found that car in one of his garages and now brings it in for service.

    Oops, my bad SmileySmileySmileySmiley
     


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    Re: What should I get? X5 ///M or Q7 V12 TDi?

    Mike S:

    Without options $172,000, but that quickly goes over $200,000 again with one or two silly options.

    SmileySmileySmiley


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    Re: What should I get? X5 ///M or Q7 V12 TDi?

    FFaust:
    Rossi:
    FFaust:
    Enmanuel:
    RC:
    Mike S:

    Without options $172,000, but that quickly goes over $200,000 again with one or two silly options.

     

    Ouch again. Smiley

     And again.  I'd go for the X5M, but if history has taught us anything is that if you want it you'll get it, so enjoy your new Q7 Smiley


    Yeah Mike, I see on the last picture that they are taking it out of the showroom for you Smiley


    That's not quite correct FFaust. Mike suddenly found that car in one of his garages and now brings it in for service.

    Oops, my bad SmileySmileySmileySmiley
     

    LOL!!!!!!!!


    Re: What should I get? X5 ///M or Q7 V12 TDi?

    Ron (Houston):
    Mike S:

    Without options $172,000, but that quickly goes over $200,000 again with one or two silly options.

    SmileySmileySmiley

    Tell me about it Ron. I would think that I would be used to it by now, but everytime I hear these prices my heart skips two beats Smiley


    Re: What should I get? X5 ///M or Q7 V12 TDi?

    Don't complain Mike, you still get them cheaper than those of us here!

    Re: What should I get? X5 ///M or Q7 V12 TDi?

    Mike S:
    Ron (Houston):
    Mike S:

    Without options $172,000, but that quickly goes over $200,000 again with one or two silly options.

    SmileySmileySmiley

    Tell me about it Ron. I would think that I would be used to it by now, but everytime I hear these prices my heart skips two beats Smiley

     I'm not sure about the X5M but i asked around and the price for the X6M over here starts at $165,000. im guessing the 5 starts somewhere close too.

    Edit: just found out on the local configurator. the base price for the X5M is $157,000, and with good options you can hardly get it over $180,000


    Re: What should I get? X5 ///M or Q7 V12 TDi?

    Lars997:

    Hmmm - convert it to Europe and it is the same price the car is in Germany Smiley

    Anyway Smiley oooouch

     

    Not quite I guess: a pretty fully optioned X5 M is around 124000 EUR in Germany,  before rebate. A fully optioned X5 M is almost 32000 USD more expensive in SA.

    After rebate, the difference is even worse, the X5 M would be almost 70000 USD more expensive in SA because I suppose that there isn't much rebate going on in SA for the X5 M. Am I wrong ? Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, BMW X5 M (on the ship), BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW


    Re: What should I get? X5 ///M or Q7 V12 TDi?

    No rebate, I wish! Funny enough they have sold 6 this month at the one dealer alone!!


    Re: What should I get? X5 ///M or Q7 V12 TDi?

    Just out of curiosity: how much is VAT and car import tax in South Africa ?


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, BMW X5 M (on the ship), BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW


    Re: What should I get? X5 ///M or Q7 V12 TDi?

    VAT is 14%. General income tax is 40% (that doesn't even include medical, education etc. unlike Australia).

    We have a velorum tax on vehicles which can vary from 40% to 80% depending on the car.


    Re: What should I get? X5 ///M or Q7 V12 TDi?

     Mike, it's similar here.  Tertiary education is not included (haven't been for a long long time), and everyone who buys the sort of cars we do send their kids to private schools anyway for primary and secondary schooling (about $20k a year), and you have to pay private health insurance if you earn over $50k a year!  Oh, our tax rate is 45%.  I still think we are worst off financially.  But hey, Australia is a damn nice country and is regularly at the top of liveable cities/countries indexes!  If the car prices are like the US, it would be the perfect country. 


    Re: What should I get? X5 ///M or Q7 V12 TDi?

    Hi Way,

    I wasn't even speaking about tertiary. Unless you want you kids to learn under Arcacia trees

    I agree, if the govermnment can sort out it's service delivery, crime and reaccess it's taxes a bit, it would be perfect


    Re: What should I get? X5 ///M or Q7 V12 TDi?

    Alas, it was not meant to be.

    The Audi sales people are good, but they simply can't think out the box. Almost feel as if they lack enthusiasm.

    The salesman simply stated he can't give me a better trade in price on the ML63, as the Q7 V12's are quite rare (I laughed in my mind). As if it were some Ferrari so they didn't feel the need to drop the price. The arrogance... the car has been there for months, but that's their problem. Maybe if I didn't drive the Mini there, they would have given it a bit more effort Smiley

    Like I said earlier, the X5 ///M drove better in anycase. I'm kind of relieved. Guess this wasn't my time yet for Audi. Maybe it will be the R8 GT3

    I called my BMW dealer (who is also our Rolls, Aston Martin dealer) and he instantly gave me a FAR higher trade in and lower sales price on the BMW X5 ///M. Stay tuned, I might have some new photos to share next week


    Re: What should I get? X5 ///M or Q7 V12 TDi?

    THANKS GOD, Mike....the X5 M is a great SUV. 

    Recent test in german car magazine:

     

    Audi Q7 V12 

    0-100 kph in 5.4 seconds

    0-200 kph in 20.6 seconds

     

    BMW X5 M

    0-100 kph in 4.5 seconds (best time I've seen so far)

    0-200 kph in 16.4 seconds

    The X5 M is almost 300 kg lighter than the Q7 V12.

    I know, I know, you just wanted to drive something special, a Diesel monster with 1000 Nm torque but the X5 M will definitely be more fun.

    In 2-3 years, you can sell the X5 M and Cayenne Turbo and get a new Cayenne Turbo S

    PLEASE...lots of photos...since I get my X5 M on April 9th and I really can't wait any longer. 


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    Re: What should I get? X5 ///M or Q7 V12 TDi?

     

    Thats great news !!! the X5M is more reliable and way more fun to drive. well at least on paper, i still haven't driven any of the 2 


    Re: What should I get? X5 ///M or Q7 V12 TDi?

    Mike S:


    Like I said earlier, the X5 ///M drove better in anycase. I'm kind of relieved. Guess this wasn't my time yet for Audi. Maybe it will be the R8 GT3


    Imagine how relieved we are. The first automotive purchase noone on here would´ve envied you for... Smiley

    I´d say, for your situation, the R8 Spyder or GT3, RS5 or RS6(+) would be much better alternatives if you are longing for an Audi.


    Re: What should I get? X5 ///M or Q7 V12 TDi?

    Great choice Mike Smiley

    I spent some time in Q7 (regular, 3.0 TDI) and in X5. Compared to X5, Q7 felt like a van. Already regular X5 is nice for a drive, so X5 M must be great car to drive.


    Re: What should I get? X5 ///M or Q7 V12 TDi?

    Good to hear and congrats to your decision.Smiley
    For me the Q7 looks like a schoolbus and far away from a sporty SUV.


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    Re: What should I get? X5 ///M or Q7 V12 TDi?

    Appreciate the honesty guys. I hope Audi puts that awesome engine into another range of their cars and not just limited to the Q7 like VW did witht he Touareg V10.

    I'll have more info on the X5 ///M today. They have the colour I'm looking for as well!


    Re: What should I get? X5 ///M or Q7 V12 TDi?

    Mike S:

    I'll have more info on the X5 ///M today. They have the colour I'm looking for as well!

     Another blue one to complete the set?Smiley


    Re: What should I get? X5 ///M or Q7 V12 TDi?

    go get it mike.....bmw have really created something special with the M SUV's.

    they are real wolves in sheep's clothing.

    rc, conny and me jumping for it should be reason enough


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    Re: What should I get? X5 ///M or Q7 V12 TDi?

    I guess we should ask BMW M Company for a group rebate next time. 

     


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