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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    SciFrog:
    Dynamics:

    Grant, much appreciate the welcome and the clarification re: GPF specs.

    I live in San Francisco.

    Probably like many on rennteam, I view any weight not deployed for passive safety to be the enemy of performance, stability, precision, active safety....and, ultimately, driving enjoyment.

    Hopefully, weight-saving advances like the Speedster exhaust, carbon fiber roofs, carbon fiber or magnesium wheels, etc will proliferate, such that these technologies are rapidly iterated and costs can decrease via scale efficiencies.

    My sense is Porsche's scale of 911 production and the possible immense profitability of these weight-saving options may represent a major potential advantage over other, competing, but lower-volume, manufacturers in coming years, as they all must engineer profitable products vs these difficult regulations to survive.

    That is not Porsche way because it would reduce their margins... Marketing dictates that they do as little changes as possible from one iteration to another. They try to get away with the minimum possible. While they keep raising the prices like crazy, their margins have greatly gone up, especially on the higher end models and high optioned vehicles. This also has the huge side effect to be able to keep aside some of the advances for the next revisions.

    The regular 911 is the leader in its segment because it was well engineered, fast enough and had great value. But the needles have moved a lot. Prices have exploded while others like McLaren have pushed the enveloppe with carbon tubs for example. 911 have also lost a lot of emotions due to anemic sound and sportiness giving way for confort.

    GTx cars are now the real sport car in the lineup. Sadly you have to live with a huge wing, no rear seat and no PDK in some models, again all dictated by marketing. On top of it they have an atrocious allocation system for these high demand models that have disgusted even some of the most pro Porsche people around here, ala Ferrari.

    Porsche is doing very well, but there will be a time where they will have to be very careful because things are changing.

    No, really, why don't you tell us how you really feel about Porsche?Smiley


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    ⇒ Carlos - Porsche 991 Carrera GTS


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    I've noticed most photographs of WP cars that I have seen online plus one car I saw in personally don't have the CF steering wheel trim contrary to how the WP components are described in the marketing and configurator.

    I emailed the salesman regarding this in relation to my car expected in 2 months but after 1 week, no reply. Before I go further up the food chain at the dealer does anyone know anything about this? Will it be a retrofit like the CF hoods on earlier 3RS's or the magnesium wheels on the 2RS's? 


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    720S, 997.2TT, Jeep Trackhawk. Incoming 991.2 GT3 RS

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Aussie997TT:

    Will it be a retrofit like the CF hoods on earlier 3RS's or the magnesium wheels on the 2RS's? 


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    720S, 997.2TT, Jeep Trackhawk. Incoming 991.2 GT3 RS

     

    Yes, they all get slowly retrofitted according to delivery dates . Some got them already . I am still waiting for mine ( after nearly one year ! )


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991.2 GT3 RS 

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    wait a sec...


    so there will be more 991.2 gt3rs coming to the usa?


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Thanks Gnil, I'll see if my dealer is aware of this.

    WRT US I suspect it may be like Aus with final deliveries probably due in late June or July. I asked for my car to be left to the end partly due to a medical issue preventing me from taking delivery earlier and financial as my 720 only arrived a month ago so a bit short of the folding stuff!

    Sounds like we here will get the non-PPF exhaust and presumably original single throttle body motor which in some ways is a bit disappointing as I would have accepted the PPF to get the individual TBs and in any case the PPF is not a legal requirement here and could be removed.


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    720S, 997.2TT, Jeep Trackhawk. Incoming 991.2 GT3 RS LG WP

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    ITB is only for speedster. 

    991.2 GT3RS will be produced till the end of this year, which month exactly is not yet clear but for sure will not continue in 2020. 


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    GT Lover, Porsche fan

    991.2 GT3 manual, 991 GT3 2014(sold)

    Cayenne GTS 2014


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Aussie997TT:

    Sounds like we here will get the non-PPF exhaust and presumably original single throttle body motor which in some ways is a bit disappointing as I would have accepted the PPF to get the individual TBs and in any case the PPF is not a legal requirement here and could be removed.

    I also would take ITB's and Filters if given a choice.  However, the way the new filtered cars are built does not provide the assumed improvement when removing the filters.  As I understand, the ECU is tuned to expect the flow and backpressure characteristics of the filters (or mesh substitutes in markets that don't require filters) and there is no benefit to removing them...


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    18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    German GT3 RS configurator is live now, prices and options unchanged. The toy is be a bit lighter now


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    anyone have a euro VIN# for RS with WP? I'd like to try and order the Ti bar, but need VIN #


    would appreciate it.

    please msg me.


    Thx


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    9972RS:

    anyone have a euro VIN# for RS with WP? I'd like to try and order the Ti bar, but need VIN #


    would appreciate it.

    please msg me.


    Thx

    Cool idea - do you have a shop that is able to weld in the chassis mounting locations (that do not exist on the US chassis)?


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    18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    3 posts and already asking VIN’s. 


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    997.2 4S / BMW X5 40e / Donkervoort GT 


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    spudgun:

    3 posts and already asking VIN’s. 

    Well, he tried. Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Lamborghini Huracan Performante (2019), Mercedes E63 S AMG Edition 1 (2018), Mercedes C63 S AMG Cab (2019), Range Rover Evoque Si4 Black Edition (2019)


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Has someone  who ordered a 991.3 GT3 RS a confirmed delivery date ?  Heard rumors, that there will be delays because of missing operation permit ("Betriebserlaubnis").  Mine is supposed to arrive in September and a significant delay could mean, that the car will sit in the garage until April next year.

    Thanks, Rick


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Mine was supposed to arrive next week, but last word was it will be another couple of weeks. Not been notified of any further delays.


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    2015 911 GT3, 1964 Type 1


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Thanks Dave; keeping my fingers crossed 


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Up to now, at  least 13'000 991 GT3 + GT2  cars have been produced  ......

     


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991.2 GT3 RS 


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Do you include .1 & .2 and do you include all variants such as GT3 and 3RS?


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    GT Lover, Porsche fan

    991.2 GT3 manual, 991 GT3 2014(sold)

    Cayenne GTS 2014


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    If he is including the GT2RS then I'm guessing it all 991 GT variants


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    ⇒ Carlos - Porsche 991 Carrera GTS


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    the-missile:

    Do you include .1 & .2 and do you include all variants such as GT3 and 3RS?

    .1 and .2 of the GT3 RS + GT2 RS 


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991.2 GT3 RS 


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Gnil:
    the-missile:

    Do you include .1 & .2 and do you include all variants such as GT3 and 3RS?

    .1 and .2 of the GT3 RS + GT2 RS 

    So just -RS'? That is quite a lot then...


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    ⇒ Carlos - Porsche 991 Carrera GTS


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Carlos from Spain:
    Gnil:
    the-missile:

    Do you include .1 & .2 and do you include all variants such as GT3 and 3RS?

    .1 and .2 of the GT3 RS + GT2 RS 

    So just -RS'? That is quite a lot then...

    Thats a crap load Smiley. Gnil must mean the GT3 as well, not just the RS's.


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    throt

    "I Have Done It!".

    991 GT3 pick up in October 2014.

    991 GT3.2 pick up April/May 2018. ( Hairy Chest Spec ).

    Vauxhall Zafira 1.6 Exclusive pick up June 2013. ( Shit Box )

    Rennteam Hairy Chest Advisor.


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    schmoell:

    Has someone  who ordered a 991.3 GT3 RS a confirmed delivery date ?  Heard rumors, that there will be delays because of missing operation permit ("Betriebserlaubnis").  Mine is supposed to arrive in September and a significant delay could mean, that the car will sit in the garage until April next year.

    Sorry for quoting myself, but that rumor was wrong. A friend will get his car next week 


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Gnil:

    Up to now, at  least 13'000 991 GT3 + GT2  cars have been produced  ......

    wow, this is more or less 3 Bln € 


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    if it is just the RS version it makes sense...3000 GT2RS and 5000 of each GT3RS...


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    GT Lover, Porsche fan

    991.2 GT3 manual, 991 GT3 2014(sold)

    Cayenne GTS 2014


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    That's indeed A LOT. If you compare that to the 5k of the 996 or 997 generations...angry


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    2018 White 911 GT3


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Good luck to us on the second hand market smiley


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    1969 Mercedes-Benz 300SEL 6.3  / 2008 Porsche 911 GT3 RS (sold) / 2011 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Performance / 2014 BMW-Alpina D3 biturbo Touring / 2018 Porsche 911 GT3 Clubsport


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Total 911 production per year is less than 60k I think 13k seems a bit high


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    The 13k is thoroughout the entire 991 GT'RS producción cycle though, not just one year, in that sense it doesn't seem too far fetched if the numbers thrown around just for the 991.1GT3RS where 5k.


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    ⇒ Carlos - Porsche 991 Carrera GTS


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    I have felt for some years now that PAG has a strategy of multiplying the GT range models to effectively become a separate 911 range, especially if they can stay NA within regulations.  The standard 911s will drift to becoming more Grand Tourers, opening up new sales for them, while diehards can just pay up for the GT models, which are being made in substantial numbers as indicated above.


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    2017 Range Rover Sport S/C,  2019 Porsche 911 Turbo


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Ok makes more sense


     
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