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    Re: Bugatti Chiron

    Well, wanna take a bet? (with Lambo) Smiley

    I can't tell you more, otherwise I'd have to kill you. Smiley

    Rimac and Bugatti doesn't make sense financially but nowadays, everything is possible. Smiley


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    Re: Bugatti Chiron

    RC:

    Well, wanna take a bet? (with Lambo) Smiley

    I can't tell you more, otherwise I'd have to kill you. Smiley

    Rimac and Bugatti doesn't make sense financially but nowadays, everything is possible. Smiley

    Another thinly veiled reference that you are/were in intelligence.  We have a term here in the States called "stolen valor."  


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    CGX car nut:
    RC:

    Well, wanna take a bet? (with Lambo) Smiley

    I can't tell you more, otherwise I'd have to kill you. Smiley

    Rimac and Bugatti doesn't make sense financially but nowadays, everything is possible. Smiley

    Another thinly veiled reference that you are/were in intelligence.  We have a term here in the States called "stolen valor."  

    First, I was never in intelligence (I may be somewhat intelligent though Smiley), where does this stupid assumption come from Smiley, I worked over seven years as a diplomat (which of course also involved some interactions with military attaches, intelligence reps and so on), nothing more and nothing less. I think I told this story over and over again. Smiley

    Second, I know this from a certain person at Lambo. Again, nothing more and nothing less. Someone I met. Someone very important. Someone very very important. Smiley Also, heard the same from VW Group. From someone important, someone very important. Smiley

    Guys, you really need a break from the internet or something. Smiley Smiley


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    Re: Bugatti Chiron

    With VW submerged with debt, it is not surprising that the jewels may be on sale...even someone important would not be involved in that type of discussion...More like loaner, Shareholders and CEO. The rest is not high enough to have that kind of discussion.

     


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    Re: Bugatti Chiron

    Not a jewel. Just a play toy of Piech for his ego. 
     

    now that he is long gone, there is no point. 


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    Re: Bugatti Chiron

    a technical marvel and we all love toys kiss


    Re: Bugatti Chiron

    BjoernB:

    a technical marvel and we all love toys kiss

    By a horrible human being.🤷🏻‍♂️


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    Re: Bugatti Chiron

    That Bugatti is for sale seems very realistic. It drains cash and intelllectual resources from VAG. Whether obtaining Bugatti would make sense for Rimac, that I cannot say.


    Re: Bugatti Chiron

    mcdelaug:

    That Bugatti is for sale seems very realistic. It drains cash and intelllectual resources from VAG. Whether obtaining Bugatti would make sense for Rimac, that I cannot say.

    Rimac is interested about Hypercar territory and Bugatti needs to look into the future. the W16 is not going to survive long and downsizing+electric power could bring interesting performance!


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    Re: Bugatti Chiron

    Porsche has a stake in RIMAC, so what is this "Bugatti will leave VAG" all about ? The consolidation / accounting process would be different, but this is still weird...


    Re: Bugatti Chiron

    d997h:

    Porsche has a stake in RIMAC, so what is this "Bugatti will leave VAG" all about ? The consolidation / accounting process would be different, but this is still weird...

    I see another possibility (if this rumor is true): 51% share increase for Porsche, Rimac buys Bugatti with the help from Porsche/VW Group and integrates Bugatti into their EV business, making the next gen Bugatti the fastest (EV) car in the world. How does this sound? Smiley Pure speculation though, I really don't understand how Rimac could buy Bugatti, a company with over 10x the revenue??? 

    Selling Lamborghini would be pretty dumb since this company still produces serious money. Also, the hybridization and electrification of Lamborghini is already a done deal (in the near and far future), they need this. 
    Bentley and Porsche are a different story in my opinion, they fit each other better than Lamborghini, Bentley and Porsche (although I still do not understand why they have to separate everything after they actually "united" it before Smiley).


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    Re: Bugatti Chiron

    RC:
    d997h:

    Porsche has a stake in RIMAC, so what is this "Bugatti will leave VAG" all about ? The consolidation / accounting process would be different, but this is still weird...

    I see another possibility (if this rumor is true): 51% share increase for Porsche, Rimac buys Bugatti with the help from Porsche/VW Group and integrates Bugatti into their EV business, making the next gen Bugatti the fastest (EV) car in the world. How does this sound? Smiley Pure speculation though, I really don't understand how Rimac could buy Bugatti, a company with over 10x the revenue??? 

    Selling Lamborghini would be pretty dumb since this company still produces serious money. Also, the hybridization and electrification of Lamborghini is already a done deal (in the near and far future), they need this. 
    Bentley and Porsche are a different story in my opinion, they fit each other better than Lamborghini, Bentley and Porsche (although I still do not understand why they have to separate everything after they actually "united" it before Smiley).

    I doubt the VW group will be holding 51% of Rimac as that would force them to consolidate Rimac's financial results as part of the groups holdings.  More likely VWs stake will remain just below 50%.


    Re: Bugatti Chiron

    the-missile:

    With VW submerged with debt, it is not surprising that the jewels may be on sale...even someone important would not be involved in that type of discussion...More like loaner, Shareholders and CEO. The rest is not high enough to have that kind of discussion.

     Not even someone very very important? Smiley Smiley

    I cannot say much about Rimac and Bugatti (it makes no sense under the current circumstances though) but Lamborghini, I know (pretty much) for sure. This has been discussed last autumn at many levels after the (Bloomberg?) report came out and this was before the Corona pandemic. Two very high levels included at the level you mentioned. I know how furious and offended these people were with that report, no basis whatsoever. 

    But: There will be (now even more, after the pandemic) a lot of restructuring going on (it already started) at VW Group, there will be new evaluations of projects and investments and many things more. So yes, a lot is going on but it mainly started during the pandemic because there is a serious crisis on the car market (even more than before), dealers are closing and the future doesn't look too bright either since nobody really knows in what direction the markets will go. The government wants EVs, people want something affordable but not exactly EVs, manufacturers are currently in some sorts of a limbo and the one really profiting from this is actually...Tesla. Smiley

    I said it before and I said it again: I am so happy I'm not involved with the car industry, must be really difficult right now. It will get (much) better at some point but for this to happen, we need clear signs from politics and manufacturers need to come down from their huge gain margins expectations in the beginning if they want to successfully transfer/switch their productions/markets from gasoline engines to EVs or whatever.

    I am pretty sure that around mid/end next year, we are going to see more from VW Group and know more about their plans.


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    Re: Bugatti Chiron


    Re: Bugatti Chiron

    Wing must not be big enough. 



    Re: Bugatti Chiron

    What if BUGATTI created ...?

    OCTOBER 28


    Re: Bugatti Chiron

    0,67 Kg / Hp


    Re: Bugatti Chiron

    Topspeed:

    0,67 Kg / Hp

    Sounds plausible... if it is... that will be a beast Smiley



    Re: Bugatti Chiron

    I assume that's for the WEC Hypercars?


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    Re: Bugatti Chiron

    epic picture


    Re: Bugatti Chiron

    That turned out brilliant, fingers crossed it comes

    https://www.classicdriver.com/en/article/cars/new-bugatti-bolide-a-two-fingered-salute-electric-car


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    Re: Bugatti Chiron

    0-500km/h in 20.16 seconds

    0-400km/h in 12.08 seconds

    0-300km/h in 7.37 second

    0-200km/h in 4.36 seconds

    0-100km/h in 2.17 seconds

    Calculated lap time at Le Mans of 3m 07.1s and at Nordschleife of 5m 23.1s

    8.0-litre W16 engine with 1850HP and 1850Nm of torque in a vehicle weighing just 1,240kg

     

     


    Re: Bugatti Chiron

    No sub two seconds 0-100 km/h time? What a joke! Smiley Sarcasm mode off.


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    Re: Bugatti Chiron

    I remember the time when 0-200 in under 20 seconds was fast 😅 smiley


    Re: Bugatti Chiron

    I remember when Aston Martin used to mention 0 to 100 mph to 0 in under 30 seconds. 


     
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