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    Re: 991.2 GT3 Thread Closed

    Boxster Coupe GTS:
    fritz:
    Kobalt:
    Grant:

    Think the R's light flywheel will be option on GT3?  Usually this is reserved for RS, but since RS is PDK now, maybe?

    Good thinking!

    Wonder if they change something more than the flywheel since it is rather expensive.

    Single-mass flywheel is in fact cheaper than a dual-mass flywheel. It's just not fitted to other 911s due to poor torsional damping characteristics,not due to cost reasons.

    Andreas Preuninger mentioned the single-mass flywheel option includes a heavy duty clutch...

    Smiley

    Well, a stiffer clutch diaphragm spring would also not need to cost significantly more than a the standard one. It would be used in conjunction with a lighter flywheel to compensate for the abuse that a clutch is more inclined to be subjected to in a car more likely to be driven on the track. 
    As I wrote above, the heavier dual-mass flywheel is used in the "bread-and-butter" models to eliminate the gearbox chatter resulting from torsional vibration in the drive train at idle and when rolling at low speed and no load. 


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    Re: 991.2 GT3 Thread Closed

    Kobalt:
    Grant:

    Think the R's light flywheel will be option on GT3?  Usually this is reserved for RS, but since RS is PDK now, maybe?

    Good thinking!

    Wonder if they change something more than the flywheel since it is rather expensive.

    Yes, I think when you get light flywheel, it includes "reinforced clutch" (not sure exactly what they mean by that, but I guess stronger for track use?)


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    Re: 991.2 GT3 Thread Closed

    Grant:
    Kobalt:
    Grant:

    Think the R's light flywheel will be option on GT3?  Usually this is reserved for RS, but since RS is PDK now, maybe?

    Good thinking!

    Wonder if they change something more than the flywheel since it is rather expensive.

    Yes, I think when you get light flywheel, it includes "reinforced clutch" (not sure exactly what they mean by that, but I guess stronger for track use?)

    Higher clamping pressure to reduce the tendency to of the clutch to slip under heavy use. Overcoming the higher clamping pressure calls for higher clutch pedal forces. 


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    fritz

     


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    Indeed, who knows what clutch the show car had - even if it's a production-spec one. It could have been a lighter one as part of a dual-mass setup. It was light, though - similar to a manual Cayman.


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    Re: 991.2 GT3 Thread Closed

    fritz:
    Grant:
    Kobalt:
    Grant:

    Think the R's light flywheel will be option on GT3?  Usually this is reserved for RS, but since RS is PDK now, maybe?

    Good thinking!

    Wonder if they change something more than the flywheel since it is rather expensive.

    Yes, I think when you get light flywheel, it includes "reinforced clutch" (not sure exactly what they mean by that, but I guess stronger for track use?)

    Higher clamping pressure to reduce the tendency to of the clutch to slip under heavy use. Overcoming the higher clamping pressure calls for higher clutch pedal forces. 


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    fritz

     

    Thanks!


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    See anything interesting there?  I guess the front bumper and rear tail-lights get facelift.  Anything else suggested?


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    Re: 991.2 GT3 Thread Closed

    Mule of 991.2 GT3. Same engine as on 911 R. Mule is PDK-S. It will be faster on the track and in straight line then 991.1 GT3 RS. 


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    KresoF1:

    Mule of 991.2 GT3. Same engine as on 911 R. Mule is PDK-S. It will be faster on the track and in straight line then 991.1 GT3 RS. 

    Why faster on track than RS with less aero and presumably no less weight?  Better suspension?


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    Re: 991.2 GT3 Thread Closed

    Further fine tuned suspension. Weight more or less the same as on 991.1 GT3. New engine combined with PDK-S is match made in heaven. Hint, marginally slower in top speed then 911R. But, top speed is in 7th gear. Further hint, new Cups and Sport Maxxs even better on the road and on the track.


    Re: 991.2 GT3 Thread Closed

    KresoF1:

    New engine combined with PDK-S is match made in heaven. Hint, marginally slower in top speed then 911R. But, top speed is in 7th gear.

    This part is no different than current RS, right?  Engine/gearbox improved over RS?


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    Re: 991.2 GT3 Thread Closed

    Grant:
    KresoF1:

    New engine combined with PDK-S is match made in heaven. Hint, marginally slower in top speed then 911R. But, top speed is in 7th gear.

    This part is no different than current RS, right?  Engine/gearbox improved over RS?

    Different final ratio. Also, even more "integrated", "faster" and with additional programms.


    Re: 991.2 GT3 Thread Closed

    KresoF1:
    Grant:
    KresoF1:

    New engine combined with PDK-S is match made in heaven. Hint, marginally slower in top speed then 911R. But, top speed is in 7th gear.

    This part is no different than current RS, right?  Engine/gearbox improved over RS?

    Different final ratio. Also, even more "integrated", "faster" and with additional programms.

    I know current GT3 and RS have different final ratios (RS lower to compensate for 21" wheels and slightly lower redline of RS).  Does new GT3 use the old RS final drive or a 3rd ratio?

    Any more news about potential manual gearbox version?


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    Re: 991.2 GT3 Thread Closed

    Grant:
    KresoF1:

    New engine combined with PDK-S is match made in heaven. Hint, marginally slower in top speed then 911R. But, top speed is in 7th gear.

    This part is no different than current RS, right?  Engine/gearbox improved over RS?

     

    Completely new engine from the GT3R race car, not from the current GT3/GT3RS. As I said before, Gen 2.5 engine.


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    Whoopsy:
    Grant:
    KresoF1:

    New engine combined with PDK-S is match made in heaven. Hint, marginally slower in top speed then 911R. But, top speed is in 7th gear.

    This part is no different than current RS, right?  Engine/gearbox improved over RS?

    Completely new engine from the GT3R race car, not from the current GT3/GT3RS. As I said before, Gen 2.5 engine.

    How do you think this may affect the hp/tq and redline specs (compared to current RS), if at all?  I assume the main benefit is reliability/longevity, no?


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    Re: 991.2 GT3 Thread Closed

    Well at least the next GT3/RS won't have to worry about motorsport pedigree from day 1.


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    Re: 991.2 GT3 Thread Closed

    Whoopsy:
    Grant:
    KresoF1:

    New engine combined with PDK-S is match made in heaven. Hint, marginally slower in top speed then 911R. But, top speed is in 7th gear.

    This part is no different than current RS, right?  Engine/gearbox improved over RS?

     

    Completely new engine from the GT3R race car, not from the current GT3/GT3RS. As I said before, Gen 2.5 engine.


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    Heard the same thing. 

    Btw, yes, manual will or should be an option. But, again hard to understand from several points of view since manual version will be slower both in straight line and on the track. Also, even Porsche engineering knows that apparently most of that "pure feel" claim is coming from manual gear changing.  That is as highly subjective as possible. Objective fact is that 991.2 GT3 is born to be with PDK-S. 

    Ok, to not be fried by "purists" I will admit that Porsche will satisfy them as well as "progressonists" like myself...


    Re: 991.2 GT3 Thread Closed

    Nice! kiss I could imagine that one, with PDK-S, if I grow out of the GT4.

    I guess we are looking at another ECOTY winner here indecision


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    Re: 991.2 GT3 Thread Closed

    Grant:

    See anything interesting there?  I guess the front bumper and rear tail-lights get facelift.  Anything else suggested?

    If the 991.2 is definately getting a new engine (unlike the temporary rectified 991.1 engine that continues to break down) this will be a nice and powerful uppercut landed to the chin for greedy investors.


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    What does those red arrows point at? Identical air outlets? That 991.2 seem to sport a 991.1 GT3 rear anyway. I bet we will soon see a more camouflaged one with different taillights and wing.


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    Re: 991.2 GT3 Thread Closed

    Grant:
    Whoopsy:
    Grant:
    KresoF1:

    New engine combined with PDK-S is match made in heaven. Hint, marginally slower in top speed then 911R. But, top speed is in 7th gear.

    This part is no different than current RS, right?  Engine/gearbox improved over RS?

    Completely new engine from the GT3R race car, not from the current GT3/GT3RS. As I said before, Gen 2.5 engine.

    How do you think this may affect the hp/tq and redline specs (compared to current RS), if at all?  I assume the main benefit is reliability/longevity, no?


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    It will have direct fuel injection, and a completely new oiling system. Being a NA engine it will remains a peaky engine that loves to rev.

    Power output will improves is all I can say.

    One could say the current GT3 is the prototype, the current GT3RS is the production model, the GT3R is an improvement of the GT3RS in racer trim and the next GT3 will be the end product of that. 


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    Re: 991.2 GT3 Thread Closed

    Whoopsy:
    Grant:
    Whoopsy:
    Grant:
    KresoF1:

    New engine combined with PDK-S is match made in heaven. Hint, marginally slower in top speed then 911R. But, top speed is in 7th gear.

    This part is no different than current RS, right?  Engine/gearbox improved over RS?

    Completely new engine from the GT3R race car, not from the current GT3/GT3RS. As I said before, Gen 2.5 engine.

    How do you think this may affect the hp/tq and redline specs (compared to current RS), if at all?  I assume the main benefit is reliability/longevity, no?


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    It will have direct fuel injection, and a completely new oiling system. Being a NA engine it will remains a peaky engine that loves to rev.

    Power output will improves is all I can say.

    One could say the current GT3 is the prototype, the current GT3RS is the production model, the GT3R is an improvement of the GT3RS in racer trim and the next GT3 will be the end product of that. 

    ...which will be the last GT3 and then Porsche move over to a mid-engined platform around the GT4? Smiley


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    Re: 991.2 GT3 Thread Closed

    Whoopsy:

    It will have direct fuel injection, and a completely new oiling system. Being a NA engine it will remains a peaky engine that loves to rev.

    Power output will improves is all I can say.

    One could say the current GT3 is the prototype, the current GT3RS is the production model, the GT3R is an improvement of the GT3RS in racer trim and the next GT3 will be the end product of that. 

    Current GT3/RS is also already DFI and I thought the RS (and 2016 version of GT3) has already the improved oiling?  Power over 500hp would be interesting (and unexpected to leap-frog the previous R and RS).


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    bluelines:

    Nice! kiss I could imagine that one, with PDK-S, if I grow out of the GT4.

    I guess we are looking at another ECOTY winner here indecision

    Yeah, I would consider the PDK-S on the GT3 if I could afford to keep both GT3 and GT4, otherwise very tough.


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    Re: 991.2 GT3 Thread Closed

    bluelines:

    Nice! kiss I could imagine that one, with PDK-S, if I grow out of the GT4.

     

    So now you  want a fast car instead of fun and slow ? Smiley

     


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    Re: 991.2 GT3 Thread Closed

    Gnil:
    bluelines:

    Nice! kiss I could imagine that one, with PDK-S, if I grow out of the GT4.

     

    So now you  want a fast car instead of fun and slow ? Smiley

     

    Only if it wins ECOTY. Then it must be both fast and fun Smiley


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    Re: 991.2 GT3 Thread Closed

    bluelines:
    Gnil:
    bluelines:

    Nice! kiss I could imagine that one, with PDK-S, if I grow out of the GT4.

     

    So now you  want a fast car instead of fun and slow ? Smiley

     

    Only if it wins ECOTY. Then it must be both fast and fun Smiley

     

    next one will be a Mc Laren


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    Re: 991.2 GT3 Thread Closed

    Gnil:
    bluelines:
    Gnil:
    bluelines:

    Nice! kiss I could imagine that one, with PDK-S, if I grow out of the GT4.

     

    So now you  want a fast car instead of fun and slow ? Smiley

     

    Only if it wins ECOTY. Then it must be both fast and fun Smiley

     

    next one will be a Mc Laren

    Or 911R...


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    Re: 991.2 GT3 Thread Closed

    Or the GT4 a second year in a row blingbling.gif


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