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    I received some confirmation today on the question of a turbo on the "S". Apparently this is correct. So in the US the initial models will be a bi-turbo 3.0 six "S" and a bi-turbo 3.6 six "Turbo", available in May.  The base model turbo 4 and diesel will not come out until 2015. 


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    GM Austin:

    I received some confirmation today on the question of a turbo on the "S". Apparently this is correct. So in the US the initial models will be a bi-turbo 3.0 six "S" and a bi-turbo 3.6 six "Turbo", available in May.  The base model turbo 4 and diesel will not come out until 2015. 

    I really wonder where that 3.6 turbo will be derived from: a souped up version of the 3.0 turbo i guess.... Smiley

    ....and the next question would be about power: if the 3.0 is good for 420 hp a 3.6 shoukd be good for 480-500 hp. Seems a bit of an exaggeration in a little Macan. Unless: the 3.6 turbo will be a repalcement for all Porsche 4.8 turbo engines in Cayenne and Panamera and the Macan happens to be the first model to get that. The next cars to use that lighter engine will be the successors for the current Cayenne and Panamera. 

    Looking at the general downsizing trend that could make sense!  Smiley


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    ..... and cost wise this would make sense too. They could renounce producing the whole V8 engines line... indecision


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    I may go to press days at LA, and will post pics and impressions...

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    turbolite:
    GM Austin:

    I received some confirmation today on the question of a turbo on the "S". Apparently this is correct. So in the US the initial models will be a bi-turbo 3.0 six "S" and a bi-turbo 3.6 six "Turbo", available in May.  The base model turbo 4 and diesel will not come out until 2015. 

    I really wonder where that 3.6 turbo will be derived from: a souped up version of the 3.0 turbo i guess.... Smiley

    ....and the next question would be about power: if the 3.0 is good for 420 hp a 3.6 shoukd be good for 480-500 hp. Seems a bit of an exaggeration in a little Macan. Unless: the 3.6 turbo will be a repalcement for all Porsche 4.8 turbo engines in Cayenne and Panamera and the Macan happens to be the first model to get that. The next cars to use that lighter engine will be the successors for the current Cayenne and Panamera. 

    Looking at the general downsizing trend that could make sense!  Smiley

    I think those power figures will be less in the Macan with the 3.0 well under 400, maybe even 350 or less, and the 3.6 producing around 400.  The tuning of these powerplants will be toward fuel economy, possibly with taller axle ratios too for lower RPM cruising.  That's my thought anyway. 


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    GM Austin:
    turbolite:
    GM Austin:

    I received some confirmation today on the question of a turbo on the "S". Apparently this is correct. So in the US the initial models will be a bi-turbo 3.0 six "S" and a bi-turbo 3.6 six "Turbo", available in May.  The base model turbo 4 and diesel will not come out until 2015. 

    I really wonder where that 3.6 turbo will be derived from: a souped up version of the 3.0 turbo i guess.... Smiley

    ....and the next question would be about power: if the 3.0 is good for 420 hp a 3.6 shoukd be good for 480-500 hp. Seems a bit of an exaggeration in a little Macan. Unless: the 3.6 turbo will be a repalcement for all Porsche 4.8 turbo engines in Cayenne and Panamera and the Macan happens to be the first model to get that. The next cars to use that lighter engine will be the successors for the current Cayenne and Panamera. 

    Looking at the general downsizing trend that could make sense!  Smiley

    I think those power figures will be less in the Macan with the 3.0 well under 400, maybe even 350 or less, and the 3.6 producing around 400.  The tuning of these powerplants will be toward fuel economy, possibly with taller axle ratios too for lower RPM cruising.  That's my thought anyway. 

    Don't forget that Porsche won't allow the Macan to step on the Cayenne's toes when it comes to performance the same way it does with the Boxster/Cayman and 911. If anything the Macan Turbo's final power figure should lie somewhere between the Cayenne S and Cayenne Turbo, perhaps on par with the current Cayenne GTS.

    Porsche already uses a detuned version of the 3.0L bi-turbo in the base Panameras sold in China; they have a power output of 320 hp compared to the 420 hp in the S models, so I'm expecting the final power to hover around there.

    rulesdontapply


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    RC:

    Guys, they cannot make the RS Q3 as attractive as the Q5 version.  The oddities are there for a reason.

    It will be interesting to see how an Audi RS Q5 five-cylinder turbo compares to a Porsche Macan six-cylinder turbo... driving.gif


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    Boxster Coupe GTS:
    RC:

    Guys, they cannot make the RS Q3 as attractive as the Q5 version.  The oddities are there for a reason.

    It will be interesting to see how an Audi RS Q5 five-cylinder turbo compares to a Porsche Macan six-cylinder turbo... driving.gif

    i dont think that will come.... we already have the SQ5 at 360 hp, so i dont think they will apply the RS treatment to the Q5. I actually remember reading the interview of an Audi engineer who mentioned that the only reason they did the rsq3 was that it was easy and cheap to do and therefore that will probably remain the only Q in RS form....


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    turbolite:
    Boxster Coupe GTS:
    RC:

    Guys, they cannot make the RS Q3 as attractive as the Q5 version.  The oddities are there for a reason.

    It will be interesting to see how an Audi RS Q5 five-cylinder turbo compares to a Porsche Macan six-cylinder turbo... driving.gif

    i dont think that will come.... we already have the SQ5 at 360 hp, so i dont think they will apply the RS treatment to the Q5. I actually remember reading the interview of an Audi engineer who mentioned that the only reason they did the rsq3 was that it was easy and cheap to do and therefore that will probably remain the only Q in RS form....

    Don't think so, I read somewhere about Audi planning an RS version of their forthcoming Q8 to take the fight to the X6M.

    rulesdontapply


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    rulesdontapply:
    turbolite:
    Boxster Coupe GTS:
    RC:

    Guys, they cannot make the RS Q3 as attractive as the Q5 version.  The oddities are there for a reason.

    It will be interesting to see how an Audi RS Q5 five-cylinder turbo compares to a Porsche Macan six-cylinder turbo... driving.gif

    i dont think that will come.... we already have the SQ5 at 360 hp, so i dont think they will apply the RS treatment to the Q5. I actually remember reading the interview of an Audi engineer who mentioned that the only reason they did the rsq3 was that it was easy and cheap to do and therefore that will probably remain the only Q in RS form....

    Don't think so, I read somewhere about Audi planning an RS version of their forthcoming Q8 to take the fight to the X6M.

    It is also worth keeping in mind that the 2.5-litre five-cylinder turbo engine in the next Audi RS3 is rumoured to generate around 400 hp...

    Smiley SmileySmiley


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    There will be some further information on the Porsche Macan released on Wednesday 9th October 2013...

    Autocar magazine 9 October preview:

    "...our first opportunity to ride in the new Porsche Macan. Embargo restrictions mean we can't give any details away regarding the Range Rover Evoque rival, but with the car set to be the biggest-selling Porsche in the future anticipation is high."

    Autocar magazine 9 October preview -- Link

    ...thanks to Autocar magazine! Smiley

    Smiley SmileySmiley


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    Porsche Macan road testing in Germany...

    Porsche Macan road testing in Germany -- Video Link

    Smiley SmileySmiley


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    I hope the rear roofline is not as raked downward as it appears to be in pictures and videos.  Gives the car a frog like appearance, IMHO.


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    New Porsche Macan 4x4 - First Ride...

    The Macan, Porsche’s new junior SUV, impresses with its road and off-road ability on a ride with its test team...

    (9 October 2013)

    Remember the sensational turn of events surrounding the launch of the Porsche Cayenne?
     
    It was shortly after the turn of the millennium, and the company whose very existence was based upon a line of legendary sports cars was about to do something that its boss at the time had earlier pledged would never happen. Namely, add an SUV to its line-up.
     
    The decision was met with varying degrees of scepticism among loyal fans. Some even went so far as to suggest that it marked the beginning of the end for Porsche.
     
    A decade or so on, that controversial decision to diversify the Porsche model range to include an SUV is now viewed as a masterstroke. Successful beyond even the most optimistic sales predictions of the time, the Cayenne has established itself as the fastest-selling Porsche model of all time.
     
    The Cayenne – worldwide sales of 77,822 last year alone – has provided Porsche with the scope for record annual sales, along with a solid financial foundation for further growth that has included new halo models such as the 918 Spyder.  
     
    Inevitably, given the profits that it has stashed away in recent years, it’s no surprise that we now have a second Porsche SUV, the new Porsche Macan.
     
    This time around, though, the purists are notable for one thing only: their silence. To be unveiled at the Los Angeles motor show next month, the Macan is slightly smaller, more keenly priced and, says Porsche, more car-like in character than the Cayenne.
     
    The suggestion is that it will ultimately prove more successful than its larger sibling and, given that it is tipped to be priced from £40,000 in the UK, this line of thinking sounds entirely plausible. Before its public debut, though, we have been invited to sample the new SUV on public roads during a final validation test with its project leader, Hans-Juergen Woehler, in California.
     
    A size that matters
     
    From a distance and without any other cars to reference for size, it is very easy to mistake the Macan prototypes with their Cayenne support vehicles.
     
    The two share a common design language that remains clear, despite the light disguise worn by the prototypes that Porsche's test and engineering team has brought to North America. Love it or loathe it, you can’t deny that it is eye-catching.
     
    One feature that immediately raises interest is the bonnet, a clamshell affair that features cut-outs for the headlamps and sides that wrap well down into the flanks below the top of the front wheel arches, similar to the Mini hatchback.It has been adopted to improve airflow within the engine bay, according to Woehler.
     
    Despite looking like a scaled-down version of the Cayenne, the Macan uses quite a different base. The Cayenne shares its underpinnings with the Volkswagen Touareg, the Macan with the Audi Q5. From launch in the UK next May, Porsche intends to offer three engines and a choice of either a standard six-speed manual or optional seven-speed dual-clutch automatic gearbox, which has been chosen over the Cayenne’s eight-speed automatic on the grounds that it provides the new SUV with a more sporting feel, says Woehler.
     
    Four-wheel drive – a Torsen torque-sensing system that apportions power with a distinct rearward bias – is standard across the range, as are features such as automatic stop-start and a coasting function that idles the engine on a trailing throttle for added fuel savings.
     
    Although Porsche is quick to play down the engineering links between the Macan and Q5, you don’t have to delve very far to discover that they share the same 2807mm wheelbase. Overall, the Porsche is 70mm longer, 44mm wider and 29mm lower than the Audi, which is now in its fifth 
year of production.
     
    The Macan’s chassis is also a development of that found in the Q5, with a combination of multi-links front and rear. In keeping with its sporting brief, it receives conventional steel coil springs along with adjustable dampers and regular anti-roll bars, although the finer details are being kept under wraps until its unveiling in late November.
     
    Wheel sizes start at 
17 inches and go all the way up to an optional 21-inch design. The steering, an electro-mechanical arrangement, is described as a Porsche development with unique components and mapping.
     
    I jump into the heavily contoured passenger seat of the Turbo model that is set to lead the Macan line-up. It is powered by a twin-turbocharged version of Porsche’s 3.6-litre V6 direct-injection petrol engine that, until now, has been offered in naturally aspirated guise only.
     
    The adoption of forced induction, a complex cooling system fed by those substantial front air ducts and other associated internal modifications have raised output by a significant 100bhp, bumping it to 395bhp – the same figure touted by the naturally aspirated 4.8-litre V8 in the Cayenne S, no less. There is an even bigger increase in torque, which climbs by 110lb ft to a sturdy 406lb ft. By comparison, the most powerful Q5, the SQ5 sold in North America, uses a supercharged 3.0-litre V6 petrol engine with 354bhp and 347lb ft.
     
    A glance around the interior reveals similarities in materials, switches and controls to that of the second-generation Cayenne, suggesting that quality will be well up to levels of other recent Porsche models. The driving position is quite sporting – more so than in the Cayenne – with a neatly proportioned, multi-function steering wheel that is not quite vertical and a high-set centre console. The cabin is very spacious. There’s lots of legroom and headroom for four adults, and five at a pinch. 
     
    Then we’re off, up the ramp of the car park and on to the streets of Los Angeles to a secret canyon road and then farther inland for some off-road driving later on.
     
    Porsche is yet to reveal any weight figures for its new model, but Woehler suggests that a number of weight-saving measures, including the use of aluminium in the body, will allow the Turbo to hit the scales at under 1700kg. Nevertheless, there are sufficient reserves to provide it with more than just brisk performance.
     
    In lower gears, it possesses serious pace away from the lights and truly impressive in-gear acceleration. Final performance figures are yet to be validated. My money is on a 0-62mph time of below 5.0sec and top speed of more than 160mph – enough to bury the SQ5, for sure.
     
    Impressive performance, dynamic handling
     
    As we hit the highway, it becomes obvious that the Turbo possesses quite long gearing at the top of its ’box. With its optional seven-speed PDK gearbox left in automatic mode, it rarely requires more than 2000rpm to remain with the flow of traffic. Mechanical refinement is superb, with only a faint growl of exhaust on part-throttle.
     
    Together with the gutsy twin-turbocharged 3.6-litre V6 in the initial top-of-the-line Turbo, Porsche will offer the Macan with at least two further Audi-sourced 3.0-litre V6 engines from the outset of UK sales. Porsche has confirmed a supercharged petrol engine with 335bhp and 339lb ft in the Macan S and a common-rail turbodiesel with 254bhp and a heady 428lb ft in the Macan S Diesel.
     
    The Macan is also scheduled to receive a limited range of 
four-cylinder engines, making it the first Porsche to do so since the demise of the 968 in 1995. Nothing is official but, sourced from parent company Volkswagen, a turbocharged 2.0-litre petrol unit with 225bhp and 258lb ft and a 2.0-litre turbodiesel with 177bhp and 280lb ft are likely candidates for the price-leading petrol and diesel models.
     
    Along with the focus on straight-line speed, Porsche’s engineering team was tasked with endowing the Macan with what Woehler describes as “the most dynamic handling in its class”. 
     
    What strikes me most about its on-road characteristics, once we leave the wide boulevards of Los Angeles behind, is its sheer agility. The Macan corners with all the eagerness of a well sorted sporting estate, displaying sharp turn-in, remarkably little body roll and an ability to accept lateral forces without any discernible understeer, even at the limit. There appears to be abundant levels of mid-corner grip, and the four-wheel drive system ensures that there’s always loads of traction and, in combination with the Turbo’s deep reserves of torque, terrific drive out 
of low-speed corners.
     
    But if you’re looking for a more definitive verdict, you’ll have to wait until we can drive the new Porsche for ourselves. There is no doubt that the Macan has the ability to mount a series challenge to the BMW X3 for pure dynamic ability on the bitumen. From the passenger seat, it displays all the dynamic hallmarks needed to make it the Cayman of the SUV world.
     
    And what’s really surprising is that, despite running 21-inch wheels shod with 265/45 rubber, the ride is totally acceptable. There is a firmness to its springs, but it copes with a wide range of irregularities – from small and medium-sized intrusions to larger potholes and speed bumps – with a degree of suppleness that would embarrass the Q5 on the same combination of wheels and tyres.
     
    Like the Cayenne, the Macan has been conceived predominantly for on-road driving. However, Woehler is full of praise for the ability of the new SUV in tricky off-road conditions, suggesting that it can hold its own against every conceivable rival in the rough stuff, despite the absence of anything as hardcore as low-range gearing.
     
    Inevitably, it isn’t too long before we leave the relative security of the bitumen and begin charging down a series of narrow gravel roads in the mountains behind Los Angeles. Despite its sporting slant and a lot of talk from engineers about efforts to keep the centre of gravity as low as possible, the Macan possesses greater ground clearance than the Q5.
     
    It also has more accommodating approach, departure and ramp angles than the Audi. And after some serious circle work, I can assure you that the sportiness is not only confined to on-road driving.
     
    Has the gamble paid off?
     
    Porsche's ambition with the Macan was to produce an SUV that would appeal to a wide range of customers – from school-run mothers to dyed-in-the-wool enthusiasts and those seeking more than a modicum of off-road ability. And in this respect, it has achieved its goal. 
     
    At least, that’s the feeling we got after a day in the passenger seat of the Turbo version. Its breadth of ability is quite stunning, underpinned by a heroic engine, fantastically efficient driveline and a chassis that appears to have been sprinkled with more than a pinch of Porsche magic.
     
    The exterior won’t be to everyone’s taste, but the interior is classy, spacious and very inviting. Best of all, there is absolutely no hint of its links with the Q5. New class king? At the moment, it looks that way.

    New Porsche Macan 4x4 - First Ride - Autocar link

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    Boxster Coupe GTS:

    The interior looks comfy. Very appropriate for colder climates. 


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    Boxster Coupe GTS:

    But in all seriousness, this is sexy. 


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    Enmanuel:
    Boxster Coupe GTS:

    But in all seriousness, this is sexy. 

    Oh wow. The Porsche design language works much better on a smaller vehicle and this little thing looks the part of a Porsche.

    The review is glowing; looks like we have a winner already. And yes, by the looks of it so far... the Cayenne S will be sent off for a Macan Turbo in its place.

    rulesdontapply


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    I have to admit that the grey turbo does look good!


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    This car will sell like hot cakes over here !  I bet it will become very quickly the most sold Porsche .


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    Clamshell bonnet was a surprise. 


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    A few short facts (according to rumors):

    1. Porsche threw out the Audi AWD because they weren't happy with the dynamic results. They added their own hang-on system which provides impressive dynamics.

    2. Audi claimed that there is no room for a bi-turbo V6 in the engine bay, Porsche proved them wrong. The Turbo is rumored to get a 400 hp bi-turbo charged V6 engine. The Macan S also gets a V6, natural aspirated or supercharged (confusing information here).

    3. In Germany, Porsche will offer three models from the start: The Turbo, the S and a Diesel with aprox. 250 hp. The 4-cyl. Diesel comes later, there is also the possibility of a 4-cyl. petrol engine (turbo charged).

    4. AWD system, engines and interior are from Porsche. Yes, some engines may be based on their Audi tier but they have been heavily modified. 

    Bottom line is: The Macan is not a re-badged Audi.

     


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    bridggar:

    Clamshell bonnet was a surprise. 

    It follows the 918


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    RC:

    2. Audi claimed that there is no room for a V6 in the engine bay, Porsche proved them wrong. The Turbo is rumored to get a 400 hp bi-turbo charged V6 engine. The Macan S also gets a V6, natural aspirated or supercharged (confusing information here).

     

    Hmm... Audi Q5 have following V6 engines:

    -3.0TDI with 250ps

    -3.0TDI with 313ps

    -3.0TFSI with 290ps

    Rest is true, Macan is mid distance Q5 relative.


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    I'm sorry...I corrected it. I meant a V6 Bi-Turbo engine.  frown


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    bridggar:

    Clamshell bonnet was a surprise. 

    Indeed!  Was not expecting that and completely missed any hint of it in the previous spy photos.   In these photos I can now see the painted on conventional hood cut line. 

    Great review. Very encouraging. Smiley  I think I'm getting an S and taking it to Utah right away for some off-road testing. Smiley


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    RC:

    A few short facts (according to rumors):

    2. Audi claimed that there is no room for a bi-turbo V6 in the engine bay, Porsche proved them wrong. The Turbo is rumored to get a 400 hp bi-turbo charged V6 engine. The Macan S also gets a V6, natural aspirated or supercharged (confusing information here).

    When did Audi claim that? The SQ5 has a Bi-turbo V6 engine Smiley

    Bottom line is: The Macan is not a re-badged Audi.

    Which wouldn't be a shame anyways. The Q5 already is the best SUV in its class (overall). Macan can only be better. 

    I've traded my SQ5 in but now I get some doubts... Should I have kept it for another year and trade it for a Macan....? Smiley  Maybe I was too impatient. 


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    Another first ride review, this time from Motor Trend:

    http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/suvs/1310_2015_porsche_macan_first_ride/

    There were three versions of the Macan on our trip: the S trim, the top-of-the-line Turbo, and the world-market Diesel. When I asked if the diesel model would eventually be sold in the U.S., the U.S. product reps and Porsche engineers frequently answered, "What do you think?" Engelman noted that 30 percent of Cayenne sales are currently diesels, indicating a strong possibility and willingness to sell the diesel model Stateside. 
    Although Porsche had access to the Volkswagen corporate parts bin to use as much or as little of the Audi Q5 as it wanted, the Macan is about 80 percent new and different than the Q5, including unique gasoline powertrains, unique sheetmetal, and some pretty substantial structural and chassis differences, including the positioning and design of the front dash crossmember. 
     
    The Macan is a niche product at a premium price, and it is definitely not for those customers choosing a crossover strictly on the basis of utility or practicality. Even for those seeking a status nameplate, the Q5, BMW X3, Mercedes-Benz GLK, or even Range Rover Evoque are probably more suitable for those who simply want to impress their non-enthusiast, status-conscious friends. But for those who appreciate Porsche's performance heritage and mystique and want a compact crossover, the Macan sacrifices little in terms of driving enjoyment and the Porsche experience in exchange for a measure of utility. 
     

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    Macan rear window PS:

    click to enlarge

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    My PCNA contact confirmed (without confirming) a 2.0 litre gas engine, The S will be the V6 mentioned (wouldn't say if turbo or not) and the S would cost in the low $60k's in Canada.

    In customers hands by late April.


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    This is going to be a great car!   perfect alternative for the ones who want to have one (family-)practical car with a sporty appeal (in a way that the Cayenne as truck will never have).  

    I love the fact that the S is also a turbo engine, probafly that one will already have very nice grunt!  The Turbo will be a bombshell with the new 3.6 liter turbo engine.... kisskiss

    So, now let's hope for a decent price here in Europe...

    PS : given that the new biturbo engine is a 3.6 liter biturbo like the 996 turbo was, i believe that the same 420 HP like the 996 had would  be a perfect fit!!! smiley


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