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    Re: OFFICIAL: Cayenne (958) Facelift 2014

    A very good friend owned a Hybrid Cayenne after his first generation MK2 Cayenne S.

    He is doing 100km/day. 70% Autobahn (70 % restricted) , 25% city driving. I forgot the absolute number but he saved 4l/100km fuel. Impressiv. He loved the hybrid, no problems at all.


    Re: OFFICIAL: Cayenne (958) Facelift 2014

    Itsme:

    A very good friend owned a Hybrid Cayenne after his first generation MK2 Cayenne S.

    He is doing 100km/day. 70% Autobahn (70 % restricted) , 25% city driving. I forgot the absolute number but he saved 4l/100km fuel. Impressiv. He loved the hybrid, no problems at all.

    With a diesel he would have saved a lot more Smiley 

    It all depends on how heavy the right foot is, especially in the city driving.and sure.. That's where the electric motor works best. A good friend has the Panny e-hybrid after having owned a Panny S previously. He is not impressed at all. Only if you drive carefully like driving a Hybrid is intended, you can get better milage, but only marginally. Who on earth is going to buy a Porsche only to be concerned about fuel consumption and drive it like 95 year old grandma??


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    Re: OFFICIAL: Cayenne (958) Facelift 2014

    He has to drive like a grandma to his office (traffic, speed traps). And for all the other driving the Hybrid Cayenne is much better than the Diesel (I think the Diesel S was not available at  the time he bought the car).

    I wouldn't buy the Hybrid, too. But if you do a lot of city driving, need a big luxury car for family trips, the Hybrid is not a bad choice. But the Diesel S is the better choice. 


    Re: OFFICIAL: Cayenne (958) Facelift 2014

    Itsme:

    He has to drive like a grandma to his office (traffic, speed traps). And for all the other driving the Hybrid Cayenne is much better than the Diesel (I think the Diesel S was not available at  the time he bought the car).

    I wouldn't buy the Hybrid, too. But if you do a lot of city driving, need a big luxury car for family trips, the Hybrid is not a bad choice. But the Diesel S is the better choice. 

    I think if your daily commute is suited well for a hybrid car, you might get better fuel milage. I know that here where we live in Switzerland, it's pretty hard to use a hybrid like it should be used to get good milage. My A6 is also far from its claimed figures, unless I drive a long trip to the Netherlands for example, with 90% Autobahn. Then it easily gets 5.5-6 L/100km or even less, without being too careful with the throttle.

    I agree with you on the Cayenne Diesel. I think Porsche is offering the wrong diesel engine in that car (and Macan Diesel S for that matter too). It should have been the 313/320hp biturbo diesel, that Audi offers in the SQ5 and the A6/A7. That's a nicer engine than the standard 3.0 V6 (I've had both) and definitely more appropriate for an SUV like the Cayenne. In the end, it still is a Porsche, not a VW.....

    The mighty V8 in the Cayenne Diesel S is the real deal when it comes to diesels... Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: Cayenne (958) Facelift 2014

    My wife actually likes to have a Macan to replace her current X3 and she would be happy with the S Diesel but I want the Turbo. Now, after I told her that the Macan is actually almost as wide as the Cayenne and only a couple of centimeters shorter, it got her thinking. Of course the Macan is much cheaper but a facelifted Cayenne S Diesel wouldn't be that bad either. I wouldn't even mind the Hybrid. The Turbo is too expensive, the upcoming GTS probably too.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: Cayenne (958) Facelift 2014

    RC:

    My wife actually likes to have a Macan to replace her current X3 and she would be happy with the S Diesel but I want the Turbo. Now, after I told her that the Macan is actually almost as wide as the Cayenne and only a couple of centimeters shorter, it got her thinking. Of course the Macan is much cheaper but a facelifted Cayenne S Diesel wouldn't be that bad either. I wouldn't even mind the Hybrid. The Turbo is too expensive, the upcoming GTS probably too.

    I actually prefer the looks of the new Cayenne above the Macan. To let the Macan look good, you need all the exterior options that are now available (finally!) and those are quite expensive options (like the Sport Design package and mirrors). Also the interior of the Cayenne looks slightly better IMO.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: Cayenne (958) Facelift 2014

    RC:

    My wife actually likes to have a Macan to replace her current X3 and she would be happy with the S Diesel but I want the Turbo. Now, after I told her that the Macan is actually almost as wide as the Cayenne and only a couple of centimeters shorter, it got her thinking. Of course the Macan is much cheaper but a facelifted Cayenne S Diesel wouldn't be that bad either. I wouldn't even mind the Hybrid. The Turbo is too expensive, the upcoming GTS probably too.

    ...you mean 20cm shorter


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    Re: OFFICIAL: Cayenne (958) Facelift 2014

    reginos:
    RC:

    My wife actually likes to have a Macan to replace her current X3 and she would be happy with the S Diesel but I want the Turbo. Now, after I told her that the Macan is actually almost as wide as the Cayenne and only a couple of centimeters shorter, it got her thinking. Of course the Macan is much cheaper but a facelifted Cayenne S Diesel wouldn't be that bad either. I wouldn't even mind the Hybrid. The Turbo is too expensive, the upcoming GTS probably too.

    ...you mean 20cm shorter


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    17.4 cm to be precise. This is a little bit more than half the length of a 2 l Coca Cola Zero bottle. Ridiculous, especially if you realize how much more really usable interior and luggage room the Cayenne has compared to the Macan.

    Unfortunately, in Germany, the Cayenne S Diesel base price is higher than the Macan Turbo base price. Ouch.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: Cayenne (958) Facelift 2014

    ..but it's a better car?


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    Re: OFFICIAL: Cayenne (958) Facelift 2014

    bridggar:

    ..but it's a better car?

    I think that depends on the car's purpose. The Macan definitely is the more 'sportier' car of the two, but the Cayenne offers more interior- and luggage space and might be more comfortable. The Macan is the Suv and the Cayenne is the sUSmiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: Cayenne (958) Facelift 2014

    For me the only downside of the Cayenne is the size, especially when finding a parking spot. Other than that it's the perfect "sports" car to travel with the family (wife, 2kids and an au-pair). The Macan is not much smaller, but has a lot less interior and luggage space. Also, I really love the sound of the V8, so I'm keeping it another 1-2 years and then I'll see what's on the market.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: Cayenne (958) Facelift 2014

    CityRacer:

    The issue with the hybrid is its astonishing complexity. This is one model that will never become a classic, because it will be unrepairable over time. If you look back in time, one of the finest qualities of early 911s was its elegance of design. With a simple air-cooled engine it was the world's best performing sports car. 

    Which manufacturer possesses such attribute today? It has got to be Tesla. With the simplicity of an electric motor, the Tesla can keep up with a 911 in performance, and of course beats it by hundred mile in gas mileage. Tesla also pioneered the button-less touch screen technology while Porsche went the other way around. 

    I don't understand why Porsche continues to chase after hybrid technology instead of going full electric. Many of their sports cars seem ideally suited for the technology given their light weight. The only explanation I can think of is that they want customers to keep back to their repair shops.

     

    Hybrid is complex, but it's big advantage over pure electric is not depending on charing outlets. Until electric charging stations are as common as gas stations, pure electric cars are still a failure. Porsche's hybrid system is pretty well sorted out, intelligence enough to be transparent to end users. Drives like a normal car which most people prefer.

    The big touch screen in the Tesla is also it's biggest failure. It's one featureless slate of screen in the middle of the car. You can't miss it as it dominate the whole dashboard. There is no design element that can make a such a big slate of nothing look pretty. You also can't feel your way around the touch screen without looking. you had to take you eyes off the road to operate it, while physical buttons can be operated by feel, keeping the eyes on the road. 

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: Cayenne (958) Facelift 2014

    Whoopsy:

    To put it simply it will be like the modes in the 918, Porsche simplified that one to put in the Panny and Cayenne. So no hot lap mode haha. 

    It will starts off in electric mode, if you foot goes down past the 1st detent, the engine kicks in. Or if the ECU thinks the battery is low, the engine will comes on to charge it. 

    If you are really concern about the gas milage, then by all means plug it in every night. But the system is pretty efficient by itself, regen braking do a lot of the recharging, it also has the now standard mode of using engine power to recharge when it's not needed to drive the wheels. 

    Even if the engine runs, it's only a 3 litre little V6, how gas hogging can it be?

    Btw, the Cayenne will have a 10.8kWh battery, about 60% larger than the 6.8kWh one in the 918. For comparison, the Panny S e-hybrid has a 9.4kWh one. Since the Cayenne S e-hybrid will weight around 10% more than the Panny , maybe take 10% off the Panny S e-hybrid's fuel economy number? 

    Thanks, good advice.  I think I'll take a test-drive of the Pan Hybrid.

    The reason I'm looking at fuel economy is because I'm constantly driving my son to golf tournaments all over Southern California.  I'm tired of spending so much on fuel.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: Cayenne (958) Facelift 2014

    The next Tiger Woods in the making? smiley

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: Cayenne (958) Facelift 2014

    Whoopsy:

    The next Tiger Woods in the making? smiley

     

    I wish.. Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: Cayenne (958) Facelift 2014

    ist not just about a few centimetres here or there. the Cayenne has far more volume as a car than the macan.

    the macan Turbo i drove felt tiny in comparison to the Cayenne. and i do not feel in driving characeristics. the actual car feels so much smaller than the 17 cm would indicate.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: Cayenne (958) Facelift 2014

    So, no more Turbo S?


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    Re: OFFICIAL: Cayenne (958) Facelift 2014

    SoCal Alan:

    So, no more Turbo S?

    My Porsche salesman had no news on the Cayenne Turbo S. All he originally told me was that the 2015 facelifted Cayenne would be released as follows:

    November 2014 - Cayenne S, Cayenne Hybrid & Cayenne Turbo

    February 2015 - Base Cayenne, diesel Cayenne & Cayenne GTS

    He didn't seem to know when the Turbo S would be released.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: Cayenne (958) Facelift 2014

    After literally waiting for the new Cayenne for over a year -- and, frankly, a bit longer as I am committed to waiting for the GTS -- I am now considering purchasing a Honda Odyssey and a new M3 sedan for nearly the same price as the Cayenne is likely to cost.  I have a 20 month old son and a daughter on the way next month.  My wife has a Q5, and we had originally planned to get her the new Q7 when it arrives.  We both have the kids in our respective cars a fair amount, however.  The thought is that we would purchase the Odyssey as a third car for designated baby duty, with her Q5 remaining as a backup option fo the inlaws, nanny, etc...  Under that scenario, the M3 would be my daily driver and reserved for baby duty only in emergency situations.  I am now thinking that the Cayenne may be a better option for me several years down the line once we are past the baby stage, but I'm completely torn at the moment.  I am driving the M3 / M4 on Thursday, which I am sure will be impressive.  I'm thinking that I will get more "Sport" out of the M3 than the Cayenne, and more "Utility" out of the Odyssey for roughly the same price (and frankly perhaps a bit less). 

    Has anyone gone through the same analysis?  Any thoughts or suggestions (READ: can someone talk me out of this plan?)??


    Re: OFFICIAL: Cayenne (958) Facelift 2014

    Just don't get the Odyssey in black, it looks like a hearse.


    Re: OFFICIAL: Cayenne (958) Facelift 2014

    How much space do you really need? There are so many cars to buy before a minivan... Range Rover Sport? X5? All with 7 seats...

    Our Macan turbo is big enough for us...


    Re: OFFICIAL: Cayenne (958) Facelift 2014

    Agreed -- but all at a price of $25K+ more than the (more) fully loaded Odyssey at $41,500.  I suppose it is more of a price issue than a space issue.  Something about me has no problem with the kids junking up a $41,500 minivan that would drive me nuts in a $70,000 Range Rover Sport -- all while having more space and a better platform for the kids.


    Re: OFFICIAL: Cayenne (958) Facelift 2014

    The new Discovery Sport will have 7 seats if this fits?


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    Re: OFFICIAL: Cayenne (958) Facelift 2014

    Kids don't junk cars. Parents let them do it...


    Re: OFFICIAL: Cayenne (958) Facelift 2014

    SciFrog:

    Kids don't junk cars. Parents let them do it...

    kiss


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    Re: OFFICIAL: Cayenne (958) Facelift 2014

    SciFrog:

    How much space do you really need? There are so many cars to buy before a minivan... Range Rover Sport? X5? All with 7 seats...

    Our Macan turbo is big enough for us...

     

    None has more room for 7 or 8 person than a Odyssey. Plus luggage room AFTER fitting 7-8 people in the car. Its a AND, not a OR question between humans and cargo.

    I love my Odyssey. Best thing invented for moving 'stuff'. Went to pick up my sister and her family form the airport, the Odyssey will swallow her family of 5 plus 8 pieces of luggage and room to spare, try that with a X5, RR Sport, Q7 whatever.

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: Cayenne (958) Facelift 2014

    Whoopsy:
    SciFrog:

    How much space do you really need? There are so many cars to buy before a minivan... Range Rover Sport? X5? All with 7 seats...

    Our Macan turbo is big enough for us...

     

    None has more room for 7 or 8 person than a Odyssey. Plus luggage room AFTER fitting 7-8 people in the car. Its a AND, not a OR question between humans and cargo.

    I love my Odyssey. Best thing invented for moving 'stuff'. Went to pick up my sister and her family form the airport, the Odyssey will swallow her family of 5 plus 8 pieces of luggage and room to spare, try that with a X5, RR Sport, Q7 whatever.

     

    I can move 7 people and 7 golf bags in my wife's Toyota Sienna.  Odyssey can probably do the same.

    Or, we can fold down the rear third seat completely to the floor, remove the two 2nd row captain's chairs, and now you have something which can move lots of stuff.

    Very versatile.

    Best thing, is for long road trips, you can just throw stuff in the back (luggage-wise) without having to worry about how much to take, or what will fit.    Just throw it in and go.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: Cayenne (958) Facelift 2014

    What is that?


    Re: OFFICIAL: Cayenne (958) Facelift 2014

    Marcin:

    What is that?

    As far as I remember, this was a Photoshop job of how the "new" Macan would look alike before the Macan was actually introduced.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: Cayenne (958) Facelift 2014

    Thank You RC for Your anwers. I founded this photo today when I was looking for some infomation about (generally) E-Hybride System.  Photoshop job? Of me it looks really nice and agresive (front) (yummy :) )

    My fist felling, I thougt that I see a facelifting od Cayenne! THX RC!


     
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