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    Re: Lap Times from the 'Ring

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    Branimir said:
    That Astra OPC time is way too optimistic but, GM did that before...


    The issue came with a DVD.They showed the whole lap.Compared to the Mégane RS or R32 the lap time is OK.In a SA test the Astra was faster than the R32 on HR.

    Why hasn't GM done the same thing with their flagship Z06?

    Re: Lap Times from the 'Ring

    I have that issue and DVD but, honestly is M.Reuter miracle man?

    Re: Lap Times from the 'Ring

    Maybe..

    Also,for the ones that don't know it yet,there will be no Supertest of the Veyron.Bugatti will not give a car to SA. COWARDS

    Re: Lap Times from the 'Ring

    Thats sad to hear. Its expected though, the Veyron is all hype but no sportscar, a SuperTest at the ring would be demolishing to its reputation.

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    Bugatti and Ferrari will not agree to any comparison test. Losing a uncontrolled magazine conparison test would be too much of a PR stink for their brands image and future sales. There are only so many customers at their mega price points to go after.

    You might be a real enthusiast, but a lot of buyers are more
    into the lifestyle and jewellery like bragging rights of it all than worrying about lap times and using a cars power and handling with any skill on a daily basis.

    Its more about who has the biggest checkbook.


    Re: Lap Times from the 'Ring

    Jim, I absolutely agree.

    Re: Lap Times from the 'Ring

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    JimFlat6 said:
    Bugatti and Ferrari will not agree to any comparison test. Losing a uncontrolled magazine conparison test would be too much of a PR stink for their brands image and future sales. There are only so many customers at their mega price points to go after.

    You might be a real enthusiast, but a lot of buyers are more
    into the lifestyle and jewellery like bragging rights of it all than worrying about lap times and using a cars power and handling with any skill on a daily basis.

    Its more about who has the biggest checkbook.





    Bugatti yes but Ferrari no. I have seen many comparison tests with Ferrari cars in various publications. The 430 was tested in Sport Auto only recently and I remember 2 years ago Ferrari invited the press to watch an Enzo acceleration test.

    I agree that to many an expensive car is more about lifestyle, bragging rights and style; but I don't think there is anything wrong with this at all. Lap times are only of interest if you are on the racetrack and anyone who tests his cars handling limits daily on public roads is asking for thouble.
    I think it's great that it's about who has the biggest chequebook. What else should it be on? Driving ability?

    Re: Lap Times from the 'Ring

    Vinnie, I will be more explicit.

    You will not see any magazine conducting a independent comparison test of a Porsche CGT, Ferrari Enzo, Maserati MC12 and a Bugatti Veyron that would be assisted by manufacturers loaning them cars for it.


    Re: Lap Times from the 'Ring

    From the latest issue of Autobild Sportscar:

    Bentley Continental GT 8:40.30

    BMW M6 8:07.76

    Gallardo SE 7:56.65

    Mercedes CLK DTM AMG 7:56.50

    Porsche CGT 7:39.49


    They didn't say which driver drove what car for the best lap.Each driver drove every car.The drivers were:Walter Röhrl,Tom Kristensen,Klaus Ludwig and Prinz Leopold von Bayern.
    Notice that the lap times are quite close to the ones of Sport Auto.

     
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