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    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    Thanks for posting!  Python on Lizard?


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    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    Boxster Coupe GTS:
    Grant:
    Whoopsy:

    If I want a manual Porsche, there is about 50 years worth of production on the road right now for me to choose.

    I would agree, if I didn't want a warranty and Euro Delivery Smiley

    I agree GTS is just as good as GT4 for the street.  But for track, the bigger wheels, tires, brakes and adjustable suspension are big benefits...

    Porsche Cayman GT4 RS will have PDK shifter...  1554541446878image.gif

    DB5D8141-D3E6-4F0B-96E3-3467633A38D0.jpeg

    ...get your name on the VIP waiting list Whoopsy! Smiley

    Not sure why Whoopsy is opposed to a normally aspirated flat six GTS with a manual transmission.   Without the additional volume of the GTS model, it would be extremely difficult for Porsche to make a valid business case for the new 4.0 liter flat six engine for the GT4.  


    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    Wouldn’t be surprised to see that engine in the 911T also...


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    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    Yes, when I heard about a "4.0" coming I thought. "well done Porsche, with PDK, this will be a nice set-up", but, Porsche thinks, that the whole world is in favour of a manual transmission now, when some years ago everybody was asking for a super-fast auto with paddles...I use my PDK on the track in manual and have the involvement I think I need...when I drive my wife's 987 Boxster it feels ok, but a bit "old School"

    ...I am looking forward to the next generation of the "911 T" as a fun car, WITH PDK, slip diff, 90 l, AND, a base 3.0 l Turbo, which I believe is a very very underrated fantastic engine .... Therefore, I am keeping fingers crossed that the "4.0 l" will NOT be part of a future 992 T package ... by the way, I have not heard anything about the "4.0 l" being "certified or whatever" with PDK ? 

    And, last but not least, I now that Cayman / Boxster owners are a minority group here, but, perhaps the mods could open a thread on the GTS 4.0 ? (thx.)


    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    d997h:

    , perhaps the mods could open a thread on the GTS 4.0 ? (thx.)

    Anyone can open a new thread .... 

    Just click on '' new thread '' at the top right when you are on the main forum page .


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    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    Boxster Coupe GTS:
    Grant:
    Whoopsy:

    If I want a manual Porsche, there is about 50 years worth of production on the road right now for me to choose.

    I would agree, if I didn't want a warranty and Euro Delivery Smiley

    I agree GTS is just as good as GT4 for the street.  But for track, the bigger wheels, tires, brakes and adjustable suspension are big benefits...

    Porsche Cayman GT4 RS will have PDK shifter...  1554541446878image.gif

    DB5D8141-D3E6-4F0B-96E3-3467633A38D0.jpeg

    ...get your name on the VIP waiting list Whoopsy! Smiley

    And a crazy price tag... Smiley


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    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    RC:
    Boxster Coupe GTS:
    Grant:
    Whoopsy:

    If I want a manual Porsche, there is about 50 years worth of production on the road right now for me to choose.

    I would agree, if I didn't want a warranty and Euro Delivery Smiley

    I agree GTS is just as good as GT4 for the street.  But for track, the bigger wheels, tires, brakes and adjustable suspension are big benefits...

    Porsche Cayman GT4 RS will have PDK shifter...  1554541446878image.gif

    DB5D8141-D3E6-4F0B-96E3-3467633A38D0.jpeg

    ...get your name on the VIP waiting list Whoopsy! Smiley

    And a crazy price tag... Smiley

    Almost as high as GT3??  Real GT3 engine or GT4 engine with more power?


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    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    Will be interesting to see what gearbox they put in it. It deserves a PDK-S with nice linear ratios. But it will be very quick if it gets them.. I hope it does but I wonder where they will place it price-wise to fit in the chart in the right place.


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    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    DaveGordon:

    Will be interesting to see what gearbox they put in it. It deserves a PDK-S with nice linear ratios. But it will be very quick if it gets them.. I hope it does but I wonder where they will place it price-wise to fit in the chart in the right place.

    They always fuck them up on purpose to maintain the pecking order.  Oh well. Marketing.   Imagine if rules prevented a car company from building more than one model.  Just a thought. Smiley


    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    CGX car nut:
    Boxster Coupe GTS:
    Grant:
    Whoopsy:

    If I want a manual Porsche, there is about 50 years worth of production on the road right now for me to choose.

    I would agree, if I didn't want a warranty and Euro Delivery Smiley

    I agree GTS is just as good as GT4 for the street.  But for track, the bigger wheels, tires, brakes and adjustable suspension are big benefits...

    Porsche Cayman GT4 RS will have PDK shifter...  1554541446878image.gif

    DB5D8141-D3E6-4F0B-96E3-3467633A38D0.jpeg

    ...get your name on the VIP waiting list Whoopsy! Smiley

    Not sure why Whoopsy is opposed to a normally aspirated flat six GTS with a manual transmission.   Without the additional volume of the GTS model, it would be extremely difficult for Porsche to make a valid business case for the new 4.0 liter flat six engine for the GT4.  


    I am not opposing the GTS with manual. I am opposing that it is manual only. The manual GTS literally will be competing against just about the same customer base as the GT4. 
     

    The GTS will be capable enough on a track for 95% of their clients, the other 5% will be the one that needs a GT4 in order to perform better. 
     

    For mostly street driving, the GTS will be the better car. Restricting it to manual only limits the sales number. Offer both like they do on 911 GTS and that new engine will practically pays for itself.


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    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    I dont think we will see a PDK in the GTS until there is a PDK in the GT4 or else upset the marketing plan...

    We wont see a PDK in the GT4 till we see a 992 GT3 launch or else upset the marketing plan....

    Some things never change....like the way they do teh marketing plan lol....


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    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    And then it will be a pointless exercise again as the performance of the PDK versions of GT4 and GTS is so close.

    In the 911 range, at least the engine configuration between the GTS and GT3 is different, for the 718, it's the same engine with 20 less HP only.

     


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    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    One would rather relish the thought of the last of the marginally affordable normally aspirated flat six engines made by Porsche than debate the merits of Porsche’s marketing decisions.  They evidently feel that given the engineering and associated costs to further differentiate the two variants wasn’t worth it.  


    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    Another difference might be the possibility of actually buying a GTS. Most people couldn’t get a GT4.


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    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    DaveGordon:

    Another difference might be the possibility of actually buying a GTS. Most people couldn’t get a GT4.

    There are five(!) new 718 Cayman GT4 on the German used Porsche database and two(!) new 718 Spyder. Just saying...


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    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    I just find something distasteful about filling the speculators pockets and perpetuating the games.. Also if I am going to pay full new price for a car I want to spec it and get the full warranty.


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    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    DaveGordon:

    I just find something distasteful about filling the speculators pockets and perpetuating the games.. Also if I am going to pay full new price for a car I want to spec it and get the full warranty.


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    I agree but unfortunately there isn't much you can do about it. 


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    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    And there are several new Spyders and GT4 standing at Porsche dealers not sold, waiting for customers.They got more cars that they could sell.
    In Germany it is easy to get a Spyder or GT4 this year. Some people told me they even got offered some discount if they order a car. Not big discounts but in the range of 1-4%.


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    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    On the Belgian market the 10k tax to put a GT4 on the road doesn't help either...


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    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    acky:

    And there are several new Spyders and GT4 standing at Porsche dealers not sold, waiting for customers.They got more cars that they could sell.
    In Germany it is easy to get a Spyder or GT4 this year. Some people told me they even got offered some discount if they order a car. Not big discounts but in the range of 1-4%.

    My guess is: Many interested customers are waiting for the PDK versions.


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    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    RC:
    acky:

    And there are several new Spyders and GT4 standing at Porsche dealers not sold, waiting for customers.They got more cars that they could sell.
    In Germany it is easy to get a Spyder or GT4 this year. Some people told me they even got offered some discount if they order a car. Not big discounts but in the range of 1-4%.

    My guess is: Many interested customers are waiting for the PDK versions.

    Or... the speculators have disappeared from the GT4 / Spyder market afraid of the unfolding global debt crisis and associated risks - leaving more cars available for real enthusiasts :)


    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    boytronic:
    RC:
    acky:

    And there are several new Spyders and GT4 standing at Porsche dealers not sold, waiting for customers.They got more cars that they could sell.
    In Germany it is easy to get a Spyder or GT4 this year. Some people told me they even got offered some discount if they order a car. Not big discounts but in the range of 1-4%.

    My guess is: Many interested customers are waiting for the PDK versions.

    Or... the speculators have disappeared from the GT4 / Spyder market afraid of the unfolding global debt crisis and associated risks - leaving more cars available for real enthusiasts :)

    Or simply because the market is getting saturated ....


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    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    Gnil:
    boytronic:
    RC:
    acky:

    And there are several new Spyders and GT4 standing at Porsche dealers not sold, waiting for customers.They got more cars that they could sell.
    In Germany it is easy to get a Spyder or GT4 this year. Some people told me they even got offered some discount if they order a car. Not big discounts but in the range of 1-4%.

    My guess is: Many interested customers are waiting for the PDK versions.

    Or... the speculators have disappeared from the GT4 / Spyder market afraid of the unfolding global debt crisis and associated risks - leaving more cars available for real enthusiasts :)

    Or simply because the market is getting saturated ....

    I'd say a combination of all above? Good for car lovers indeed. Smiley


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    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    I think it is a combination of saturated market and the lack of PDK. Porsche is over estimating the demand of manual shift cars.


    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    If one recalls correctly, didn't Porsche state that the 718 GT4 was not a limited production model unlike the previous variant.  This decision was made to prevent speculation in the marketplace, so it is working as anticipated.  Now consider the 718 GTS as the touring version of the GT4 and all is okay in the world.  Also consider that Porsche probably wants to limit the 4.0l six cylinder version in the EU to avoid excessive fines for exceeding the CO2 limits currently being imposed.  One way to limit sales is to produce cars with manual transmissions only.  


    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZZIcfwm7sM

     


    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    Thanks for posting. The margin to the 992 S is not that much and temperatures etc. could easily lead to others results, However, the GT4 seems to have gotten the advantage from the curves, where hp and torque of the 992 S may not be that relevant...This course at Magny-Cours suits the GT4 more than the 992 S...amazing little beast...Smiley


    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    Well, almost the same time as its predecesor.


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    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    Topspeed:

    Interesting that the time is virtually identical to the last GT4...


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    Re: Cayman GT4 & 718 Spyder -- Pistonheads review

    GT4 faster than Yellow Peril 992?  Shockin"


     
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