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    M3/M4 getting...

    ...AWD. Just sat in one, quite a surprise. This would be a huge advantage over the C63 and could propel the next gen M3/M4 into new performance spheres. Mild hybrids also coming...


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991.2 Carrera GTS Cabriolet (2018), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mercedes E63 S AMG Edition 1 (2018), Mini JCW (2015)


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    I surprised but not surprised. The M3/4 always limited with traction. Hope they improve the exhaust sound


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    I’d rather have an M3 / M4 than a 718 Cayman! Smiley


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    I guess M2 will remain the true Sportscar and original M3 continuation 


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    EnglishManInNY:

    I surprised but not surprised. The M3/4 always limited with traction. Hope they improve the exhaust sound

    I was very surprised but it is a done thing. Not sure if there are going to be two versions but doubtful. I assume (couldn't get any details out of the guy with the car) it will be similar to the M5, you can switch to 2WD whenever you want.

    Sound will be a disappointment though. Car had performance exhaust (according to driver) and it didn't really sound like much. "Backfiring pops" are gone, exhaust sound deep but not very loud (I heard it under full acceleration). 

    Interior (digital dash) was nice though, finally. 


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    With the upcoming noise regulations exhaust sound will be limited anyway. This will soon end to be a criterion.

    Except low volume cars which will probably get some sort of exemption similar to the emissions derogations.

    I would never pass a top car by because of sound, which is something mostly heard by people outside the car, rather than by the driver.


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    It certainly will be sold like hot cakes in Switzerland indecision


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    It will. Would be great.  Cars with over 400hp on rwd are kind of overpowered IMO unless they are real sportscars (like 911 etc), at least for daily use on normal streets. If this comes out with Awd and a nice soft top this is the RS5 that could have been.., 


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    > hope they improve the exhaust sound

    The EU buyers who have received the M2 Competition with exhaust particle filters are complaining on forums about poor exhaust sound, FWIW.


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    Jim_in_Iowa:

    > hope they improve the exhaust sound

    The EU buyers who have received the M2 Competition with exhaust particle filters are complaining on forums about poor exhaust sound, FWIW.

    Regrettably I fear that will be the case with all new cars from now on. Smiley


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    OK, seems to be 100% sure now (I saw the final car ): M4/M3 get AWD, not sure if optional or not though. 

    New engine (still a 6-cyl. biturbo though), higher red line... blush Most powerful version will have over 500 hp. Standard car around 480 hp.


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    I guess it will be the same engine as in the X3 / X4 so no surprise there. Weight and transmission choices would be interesting...


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    Josef:

    I guess it will be the same engine as in the X3 / X4 so no surprise there. Weight and transmission choices would be interesting...

    Can't say much about the transmission but weight is supposed to stay the same, no increase. Don't expect less weight though.


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    Josef:

    It certainly will be sold like hot cakes in Switzerland indecision

    Since we moved to the countryside I see far more M4 than 911. In Zürich it was the opposite Smiley


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    Really looking forward to these as they might be my next step in a couple of years. 


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    bluelines:
    Josef:

    It certainly will be sold like hot cakes in Switzerland indecision

    Since we moved to the countryside I see far more M4 than 911. In Zürich it was the opposite Smiley

    That does not surprise me but probably most of them have an extremely annoying exhaust system and are so lowered that they have difficulties crossing speed bumps...


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    bluelines:
    Josef:

    It certainly will be sold like hot cakes in Switzerland indecision

    Since we moved to the countryside I see far more M4 than 911. In Zürich it was the opposite Smiley

    People in the Swiss countryside have a better sense of value for money, it seems. Smiley


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    Or they just need to have 4 proper seats...


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    reginos:
    bluelines:
    Josef:

    It certainly will be sold like hot cakes in Switzerland indecision

    Since we moved to the countryside I see far more M4 than 911. In Zürich it was the opposite Smiley

    People in the Swiss countryside have a better sense of value for money, it seems. Smiley


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    Or they have less money? Smiley

    AWD is always appreciated in Switzerland and if not, the 2WD version of the 911 is legendary for it's very good traction capabilities. My wife had a M3 Cab (V8) and this was the most horrible winter car she ever owned, even with those 40(!) kg of sand bags I put in her trunk (car of course Smiley).


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    RC:
    reginos:
    bluelines:
    Josef:

    It certainly will be sold like hot cakes in Switzerland indecision

    Since we moved to the countryside I see far more M4 than 911. In Zürich it was the opposite Smiley

    People in the Swiss countryside have a better sense of value for money, it seems. Smiley


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    Or they have less money? Smiley

    AWD is always appreciated in Switzerland and if not, the 2WD version of the 911 is legendary for it's very good traction capabilities. My wife had a M3 Cab (V8) and this was the most horrible winter car she ever owned, even with those 40(!) kg of sand bags I put in her trunk (car of course Smiley).

    There is snow in some places, yes I forgot! Smiley

    BMW are getting into AWD more and more. All their models including the M cars will be available with a choice of drives.

    Similar to your wife's car but on the reverse,  I had a classic 1980 911 for some years and because the front was so light for good traction wet or dry , I always had the fuel tank full of petrol and most of the time I kept luggage in the trunk.


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    Josef:
    bluelines:
    Josef:

    It certainly will be sold like hot cakes in Switzerland indecision

    Since we moved to the countryside I see far more M4 than 911. In Zürich it was the opposite Smiley

    That does not surprise me but probably most of them have an extremely annoying exhaust system and are so lowered that they have difficulties crossing speed bumps...

    Haha, spot on Smiley Many are significantly lowered and sport massive exhaust tips. 


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    bluelines:
    Josef:
    bluelines:
    Josef:

    It certainly will be sold like hot cakes in Switzerland indecision

    Since we moved to the countryside I see far more M4 than 911. In Zürich it was the opposite Smiley

    That does not surprise me but probably most of them have an extremely annoying exhaust system and are so lowered that they have difficulties crossing speed bumps...

    Haha, spot on Smiley Many are significantly lowered and sport massive exhaust tips

    Smiley Saw a beautiful M3 Coupe V8, some sort of pearl white but the car was lowered (fenders were over the tires, which is illegal! Smiley) and had some chrome(!) rims. My son was so pissed (he loves the M3 V8) how someone could ruin such a beautiful car.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Lamborghini Huracan Performante (2019), Mercedes E63 S AMG Edition 1 (2018), Mercedes C63 S AMG Cab (2019), Range Rover Evoque Si4 Black Edition (2019)


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    Y RC:
    bluelines:
    Josef:
    bluelines:
    Josef:

    It certainly will be sold like hot cakes in Switzerland indecision

    Since we moved to the countryside I see far more M4 than 911. In Zürich it was the opposite Smiley

    That does not surprise me but probably most of them have an extremely annoying exhaust system and are so lowered that they have difficulties crossing speed bumps...

    Haha, spot on Smiley Many are significantly lowered and sport massive exhaust tips

    Smiley Saw a beautiful M3 Coupe V8, some sort of pearl white but the car was lowered (fenders were over the tires, which is illegal! Smiley) and had some chrome(!) rims. My son was so pissed (he loves the M3 V8) how someone could ruin such a beautiful car.

    Id be pissed too 


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    leaked images of the new M3/M4

     

    Nice kidneys...I mean, lungs

     


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    RC:

    ...AWD. Just sat in one, quite a surprise. This would be a huge advantage over the C63 and could propel the next gen M3/M4 into new performance spheres. Mild hybrids also coming...

    Reports in the U.K. motoring press (Autocar 16th October) say that the magnificent V8 turbocharged engine in the current C63 will be replaced in the new model due in 2021 by a four cylinder hybrid, (and that there was much division within AMG at the decision - AMG boss Tobias Moers reportedly walked out of the meeting when this was decided) that would completely ruin the appeal to many I’m sure Smiley


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    Topspeed:

    leaked images of the new M3/M4

     

    Nice kidneys...I mean, lungs

     

    I just don't know where to begin with BMW... How much of their image they're just throwing down the garbage during the last decade, it's just ridiculous. They have no more styling language whatsoever, look at the BMW 1, 2 GC, X2, ... even 'noble' models like the 8-series, ... none of them have something distinguished anymore. Just mainstream vehicles. Then there's the nomenclature. BMW's were 7-series, 3-series, ... Now out of nothing it's "THE 7", THE 8", ... Why??

    This is where we come from:

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    I cannot believe those huge kidneys are from the new M3/M4 and not a SUV or the like... there has got to be a mistake heart


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    The ridiculous grilles are going on the M4 Coupe - it is less certain about the 4-door M3


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    I grew up owning many BMW’s and made the mistake of selling my M3 CSL

    have not been a fan of their recent design language, however the new 3 looks epic to me.

    was at Kyalami early this morning and there was am 340 I with a lot of additional subtle bodywork, looked fantastic!!

    next M3 could be a stunner m4 not so sure !!


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    I had a X3M on the weekend which I believe is the first model with the “new” M3/4 engine with 480bhp. Engine down low sounds and feels very good, much better frankly than my Macan Turbo, but it got a little tinny up top. Very strong engine braking for what I think is an auto transmission. I kind of liked it. The car itself was overly stiff and suffered from a front back rocking motion under acceleration and/or braking ch was sub optimal and it was jumpy when dealing the bump on the autobahn at 180kmh and above, which frankly makes it a little nervy at speed - in this respect the Macan is far better resolved.  


     
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