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    GT2 vs 599GTB test summary

    Please find some test notes comparing GT2 and 599GTB below


    GT2


    Engine:

    - turbo lag clearly noticeable (though reduced compared to earlier turbo generations)
    - Very smooth and impressive power delivery once the turbo charger starts working properly...
    - Significantly more interior "noise" compared to 997TT; releasing the throttle creates a very nice whistling sound; certainly the noise lacks the outstanding quality of an Italian sports car - however, the GT2 sounds like what a Porsche should sound like


    Suspension:

    - Remarkable ride comfort in PASM normal mode, perfectly suited for long-distance travels
    - Harsh ride in PASM sport mode, too "jumpy" for regular Autobahn rides (should be great on perfect track surfaces, though)
    - Virtually no body movements under heavy braking, acceleration and in fast corners (not even in PASM normal); excellent precision and feed-back
    - Very neutral setup, feels surprisingly heavy on the front axle, though
    - Great traction (test car was on Cup tires)
    - In summary: very confidence inspiring and reliable drive feel, should be easy to drive very fast on the track...


    Steering:

    - Heavy but very precise
    - Excellent feed-back


    Brakes:

    - Precise and immediate pedal feel and feed-back (best brake feel on the market)
    - Excellent performance on open roads (I could not test the car on the track yet)


    Gear-box/clutch:

    - Rather heavy clutch, however, excellent precision
    - Very precise (but heavy) shift feel
    - Excellent and easy to use LC


    Summary: understated (looks and sound), extremely refined and efficient - a superb sports car (I LOVE IT)




    599GTB F1


    Engine:

    - Very spontaneous and linear power delivery, perfectly useable on the track
    - The engine loves to revvvv...
    - Reasonable power even in the mid rev range
    - Lacks the turbo power of the GT2 in the mid rev range, though
    - This engine needs high revs to deliver its enormous power (no surprise for a n/a engine)
    - Very smooth engine, typical 12 cylinder qualities
    - Sensational and very well composed sound


    Suspension:

    - Slightly indifferent feel in sport mode (slight body movements under heavy acceleration, braking and steering)
    - Improved precision (including steering) in race mode, however, not as refined and confidence inspiring as the GT2
    - Clearly more body movements than in case of the GT2
    - Too much understeer for tight corners, limited versatility in tight corners
    - Very fast and stable in fast bends/combination of bends (I would even argue that the car has an advantage over the GT3RS there)
    - Excellent traction, perfect for "launching" out of tight corners


    Steering:

    - Much lighter than in case of the GT2
    - Less precise and not as much feed-back compared to the GT2


    Brakes (CCB):

    - Softer pedal feel compared to GT2
    - Very efficient, no fading even under extreme conditions, pads wear quickly under extreme conditions (track only)
    - Tires suffer under extreme track conditions (Bremsplatten - anybody got the right translation into English?)


    Gear-box:

    - Excellent, combines comfort in daily driving situations with extreme performance on the track


    Summary: exceptional character, each ride is an event... Less perfect and efficient than the GT2, though.

    BTW: the car is on par with GT3RS and 997TT (Cup tires) on GP tracks. Quite remarkable performance for such a heavy car!



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    Markus,

    Nice review.

    How do you like Bucket seats on Gt2?

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    Great read, thanks!

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    KresoF1 said:
    Markus,

    Nice review.

    How do you like Bucket seats on Gt2?



    I knew I missed an important point

    The bucket seats are excellent. Surprisingly comfortable - even for long distances

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    Any independent acceleration test ? They are equal in the straight line arent they ?

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    mv said:
    Any independent acceleration test ? They are equal in the straight line arent they ?



    Good question... Unfortunately, I could not do a 200-300kph test in the GT2 (yet). What I can confirm is that my 599GTB does 0-300 in about 30-33s. Without having tested it myself I would expect a minor advantage of the 599GTB between 275kph and 300kph. According to SportAuto the GT2 does 0-300 in about 36-37s. I would expect that the slight disadvantage of the GT2 should result from the rather long 6th gear. Thus, if you switch from 5th to 6th at about 275kph the car is a bit slower than it could be with a shorter gearing.

    However, the 4-5s are a very minor delta. Just a few meters on the AB

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    4-5 sec @ 300kph would be closer to 200-300 meters.

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    svtrader1 said:
    4-5 sec @ 300kph would be closer to 200-300 meters.



    Not true. We've been through this before in an earlier thread. The GT2 isn't standing still while the 599 is accelerating.

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    Great write up! Don't you get tired of black?

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    nberry said:
    Great write up! Don't you get tired of black?



    Why would he? Black is always "in" . That being said, the GT2 with red taillights looks hot. Would be interesting to see how it would look with black wheels.

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    Crash said:
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    svtrader1 said:
    4-5 sec @ 300kph would be closer to 200-300 meters.



    Not true. We've been through this before in an earlier thread. The GT2 isn't standing still while the 599 is accelerating.



    Go back to school. You don't understand mathematics.

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    svtrader1 said:
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    Crash said:
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    svtrader1 said:
    4-5 sec @ 300kph would be closer to 200-300 meters.



    Not true. We've been through this before in an earlier thread. The GT2 isn't standing still while the 599 is accelerating.



    Go back to school. You don't understand mathematics.



    Look who's talking, Einstein . This is early high school physics and you've just flunked it. You haven't a clue and I suggest you hit the books.

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    nberry said:
    Great write up! Don't you get tired of black?



    I love black - although Italian cars do look great in red and yellow

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    svtrader1 said:
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    Crash said:
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    svtrader1 said:
    4-5 sec @ 300kph would be closer to 200-300 meters.



    Not true. We've been through this before in an earlier thread. The GT2 isn't standing still while the 599 is accelerating.



    Go back to school. You don't understand mathematics.



    Crash is right. 4-5s equal approx. 75m. BTW, this is also consistent with reality. We had the chance to compare 599GTB and 997TT over a long distance with lots of high-speed kms... The difference in acceleration is not that huge as one might expect based on an approx. 10s gap of the two car's 0-300 time. Just some 100-150m not more. My conclusion: these 0-300kph times somehow overstate the real world performance delta.

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    MKSGR said:
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    svtrader1 said:
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    Crash said:
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    svtrader1 said:
    4-5 sec @ 300kph would be closer to 200-300 meters.



    Not true. We've been through this before in an earlier thread. The GT2 isn't standing still while the 599 is accelerating.



    Go back to school. You don't understand mathematics.



    Crash is right. 4-5s equal approx. 75m. BTW, this is also consistent with reality. We had the chance to compare 599GTB and 997TT over a long distance with lots of high-speed kms... The difference in acceleration is not that huge as one might expect based on an approx. 10s gap of the two car's 0-300 time. Just some 100-150m not more. My conclusion: these 0-300kph times somehow overstate the real world performance delta.



    Yes, it's funny how the huge differences on paper don't really pan out in reality, isn't it? . Markus, when are you getting your GT2? Are you getting the sport seats? A very beautiful 599 btw. !

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    The GT2 looks good next to the 599, small and nimble, like that!

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    nice photo's and write-up. Real world performance and paper numbers often mean little. That's why i never can get into all the bench racing discussions. Get a car you like and drive it.

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    MKSGR said:
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    svtrader1 said:
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    Crash said:
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    svtrader1 said:
    4-5 sec @ 300kph would be closer to 200-300 meters.



    Not true. We've been through this before in an earlier thread. The GT2 isn't standing still while the 599 is accelerating.



    Go back to school. You don't understand mathematics.



    Crash is right. 4-5s equal approx. 75m. BTW, this is also consistent with reality. We had the chance to compare 599GTB and 997TT over a long distance with lots of high-speed kms... The difference in acceleration is not that huge as one might expect based on an approx. 10s gap of the two car's 0-300 time. Just some 100-150m not more. My conclusion: these 0-300kph times somehow overstate the real world performance delta.



    IMO you are correct. Time to distance, i.e. 1km provides a better understanding. For example, in 1/4 mile tests, each .1s equals to approximately 1 car length.

    Cheers and enjoy your wonderful vehicles - probably my two favorites.

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    Pardon the ot post mksgr

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    Crash said:
    Look who's talking, Einstein . This is early high school physics and you've just flunked it. You haven't a clue and I suggest you hit the books.



    did someone mention Einstein?

    great software gadget;
    http://www.hetemeel.com/einsteinform.php

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    MKSGR said:


    Crash is right. 4-5s equal approx. 75m.



    From a few meters to 75 meters now. Believe what you like. I stand by what I said. Guaranteed.

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    svtrader1 said:
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    MKSGR said:


    Crash is right. 4-5s equal approx. 75m.



    From a few meters to 75 meters now. Believe what you like. I stand by what I said. Guaranteed.



    distance = initial velocity * time + 1/2 (acceleration * time squared)

    If we put the GT2 and 599 side-by-side at 200 km/h and they both punch it, this will be the difference. For this we will use the time it takes for the 599 to get from 200 (55,4 m/s) to 300 (83,1 m/s) km/h (roughly 22 seconds) and the time it takes the GT2 to cover an unknown distance during this same time interval (22 seconds). We will also use the GT2 200-300 time (25 seconds) to calculate the acceleration rate of teh GT2.


    599

    a = (Vf - Vi) / t

    a = 27,7 m/s / 22 s

    a = 1,25 m/s2
    ______________
    d = 55,4 m/s * 22 s + 1/2 * 1,25 m/s2 * 484 s2

    d = 1520,5 m/s

    The 599 covers a distance of 1520,5 metres by the time it reaches 300 km/h, in 22 seconds.



    GT2

    a = 27,7 m/s / 25 s

    a = 1,108 m/s2
    __________________
    d = 55,4 m/s * 22 s + 1/2 * 1,108 m/s2 * 484 s2

    d = 1486,936 m

    Summary

    If we subtract the distance that the GT2 covers in the same time interval from the 599's distance (1520,5 m - 1486,936 m = 33,564 m), we see that the difference on average will net 33,5 metres.

    I think MKSGR wants a refund on that guarantee

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    I don't believe it's so simple. At least gear change and traction(including tires difference here) ARE different between the two cars. A LOT different. Too many factors are involved here. Don't start me on the drivers. It's not that easy. But, as a good "guesstimation", is probably at least 33 meters.

    I believe both of you are right In real world, the difference can be anywhere between a few meters and a few hundred meters LOL

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    Pentium said:
    I don't believe it's so simple. At least gear change and traction(including tires difference here) ARE different between the two cars. A LOT different. Too many factors are involved here. Don't start me on the drivers. It's not that easy. But, as a good "guesstimation", is probably at least 33 meters.

    I believe both of you are right In real world, the difference can be anywhere between a few meters and a few hundred meters LOL



    Pentium, of course it's an estimation, but an accurate one. That being said, with an acceleration graph one could pretty much narrow it down to mere metres.

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    993Targa said:
    The GT2 looks good next to the 599, small and nimble, like that!

    exactly what I wanted to say, the GT2 looks so small compared to the 599.

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    Crash said:
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    MKSGR said:
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    svtrader1 said:
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    Crash said:
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    svtrader1 said:
    4-5 sec @ 300kph would be closer to 200-300 meters.



    Not true. We've been through this before in an earlier thread. The GT2 isn't standing still while the 599 is accelerating.



    Go back to school. You don't understand mathematics.



    Crash is right. 4-5s equal approx. 75m. BTW, this is also consistent with reality. We had the chance to compare 599GTB and 997TT over a long distance with lots of high-speed kms... The difference in acceleration is not that huge as one might expect based on an approx. 10s gap of the two car's 0-300 time. Just some 100-150m not more. My conclusion: these 0-300kph times somehow overstate the real world performance delta.



    Yes, it's funny how the huge differences on paper don't really pan out in reality, isn't it? . Markus, when are you getting your GT2? Are you getting the sport seats? A very beautiful 599 btw. !



    Delivery will be in about 5 months (I want the full leather PCM which is not yet available). The sports seats are excellent (also for longer distances). Thus, I will try them

     
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