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    Re: Save Nurburgring

    Thanks for the good wishes, Easy Smiley Can't wait for our next meeting in the Green Hell Smiley

    I must be crazy - I had almost tears in my eyes when I drove the GT3 today after the long winter break.

    I did the nearby Autobahn tunnel three times in a row and all the other motorists have been laughing and giving the thumbs up - Germany must be a good country after all Smiley


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    public roads: Porsche 987 S Seal/Cocoa, toll road Smiley : Porsche 997 GT3 Arctic/Black


    Re: Save Nurburgring

    P-J, so you're going on Sunday huh? I guess the Nordschleife is your 'church visit'. And what a church it is! Confession, absolution, redemption all rolled into one 20km lap 

    I also can't wait to meet up with you at the Nordschleife again - trust me, this winter has been torture 

    Almost had tears in your eyes? You really love that car man ... 

    Don't forget to kiss the sacred asphalt for good luck in the season ahead 


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    RT Moderator - 997.1 C2S GT Silver/Cocoa, -20mm sports suspension/LSD, PSE, short shifter, SportDesign rims, Zuffenhausen collection


    Re: Save Nurburgring

    Haha that is great to hear Porsche-Jeck! Glad to hear you got to enjoy the GT3 again... winter must be painful for you guys.


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    indeed shifting is ancient technology - so is a fuel burning engine..  I happen to like both :) 


    Re: Save Nurburgring

     PJ, I am sitting at my desk and looking at the snowy  alps above Evian,  across lake Geneva.  It is still a winter feeling, even though temperatures for today are forecasted at 12 degrees. 

    Imagining that you are now on the N'Ring just gave me a slight hep and excitement that the end of winter is not too far...... You are very lucky to get to drive  Have fun !!!

    It's just a petty that I am 6 ours away 


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     997.2 C2S, PDK, -20mm


    Re: Save Nurburgring

    easy_rider911:

    P-J, so you're going on Sunday huh? I guess the Nordschleife is your 'church visit'. And what a church it is! Confession, absolution, redemption all rolled into one 20km lap 

     


    Sounds like the perfect Nordschleife poetry, Easy Smiley

    As for the tears: they grew bigger over the weekend as the battery died Smiley

    Solution: T-car (aka 987 S) on winter tires Smiley Actually I enjoyed it a lot - the limit is so broad (good for re-calibrating your senses) and the rattle stones at Karussell felt smoother than ever Smiley And I smoked an Exige and an AUDI R 8 Smiley To give you an idea about the performance difference: in the Fuchsröhre in summertime with the GT3 on Semis 230 km/h is no problem - on Sunday with the Boxey on 18 inch winter rubber PSM kicked in at 180 km/h Smiley It was great to enjoy a pax lap in the 997.1 GT3 CS of a good friend afterwards. Tire pressure went up after just 1 lap (> 25 km including full GP circuit) by 0.6 bar, but tire temp felt luke warm still...


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    public roads: Porsche 987 S Seal/Cocoa, toll road Smiley : Porsche 997 GT3 Arctic/Black


    Re: Save Nurburgring

    I'm sorry to hear of the flat/dead battery P-J  I assume it's because the 997.1 GT3 was unused for some months during what has been an especially cold winter

    At least the backup car did the business  You just needed a quick dose to keep you going till the season gets underway properly  I'm glad you had a great time

    It's amazing - 230km/h vs 180 km/h in Fuchsrohre is a pretty big difference - it must have felt like a gentle cruise till the PSM kicked in.


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    RT Moderator - 997.1 C2S GT Silver/Cocoa, -20mm sports suspension/LSD, PSE, short shifter, SportDesign rims, Zuffenhausen collection


    Re: Save Nurburgring

    Forgot to mention, you're not the only one with a failed battery - others on Rennteam have been suffering the same problem - this winter was especially harsh in the UK as well.

    My car's battery has been OK ... touch wood


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    RT Moderator - 997.1 C2S GT Silver/Cocoa, -20mm sports suspension/LSD, PSE, short shifter, SportDesign rims, Zuffenhausen collection


    Re: Save Nurburgring

     Seems that Scuderia-Hanseat is having troubles with the "new" management of the Ring too. Got a letter in the mail today from Scuderia which says that they are not sure yet if they can organize the event in Spring as the NRing GmbH is trying to force some unacceptable condition onto them (less driving hours but more money)...

    It's a shame. I was so looking forward to finally put my new GT3 into action at the one and only right place.


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    Matt C
    2009 997 GT3 Mk2  / 1988 911 3.2 Conv.


    Re: Save Nurburgring

    What a shame !!!!!!!!!!!

    Join us in September, hopefully by then the problems will be solved. But the places will be hard to get ....

    Otherwise why not try the spots auto course. I will probably do it too this year


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     997.2 C2S, PDK, -20mm


    Re: Save Nurburgring

    Here are the 4 parts from the earlier video with english subtitles :

     


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    Re: Save Nurburgring

    and here's another one : 


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    Re: Save Nurburgring

    Thanks for sharing this... I can't help but feel outraged when learning more about this disaster.


    Re: Save Nurburgring

     Scuderia Hanseat is trying to put pressure on the management  ( petition , which I signed )

    The new management is destroying everything. This course brought many new  people to the Ring.  Killing a 50 year old tradition is not going to make the situation better 


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     997.2 C2S, PDK, -20mm


    Re: Save Nurburgring

    The Scuderia-Hanseat course in Spring May has been cancelled.

    Read the press communique http://www.scuderia-hanseat.de/en/press-release.html
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    Re: Save Nurburgring

    This is terrible. If the new owners wanted to increase the fees that they would charge to Scuderia Hanseat by 60%, you can bet that they will also want to raise the lap prices for normal visitors too.


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    RT Moderator - 997.1 C2S GT Silver/Cocoa, -20mm sports suspension/LSD, PSE, short shifter, SportDesign rims, Zuffenhausen collection


    Re: Save Nurburgring


    Re: Save Nurburgring

    I called the on Monday,  the september course is also in danger for the moment...... 


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     997.2 C2S, PDK, -20mm


    Re: Save Nurburgring

    Gnil:

    I called the on Monday,  the september course is also in danger for the moment...... 

    SH is going to court....
    NBR management seems to run Amok: The Internationaler Fahrerlehrgang (similar to SH format) also is endangered due to crazy price policy....then I received an email from Sport Auto saying the dates for the Perfektionstraining are set, but they're still negotiating the price due to a "juicy increase". Talking about juicy price increases: NBR management tries to break up the Industry-Pool, asking for 10 mEUR instead 1 mEUR p.a. Smiley

    @ Easy: prices for the Touristenfahrten are set - 24 EUR (single lap) vs. 22 EUR last year.

     


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    public roads: Porsche 987 S Seal/Cocoa, toll road Smiley : Porsche 997 GT3 Arctic/Black


    Re: Save Nurburgring

    Porsche-Jeck:
    then I received an email from Sport Auto saying the dates for the Perfektionstraining are set, but they're still negotiating the price due to a "juicy increase".

     

    what are the dates ? Where does one register ?


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     997.2 C2S, PDK, -20mm


    Re: Save Nurburgring

     and here are all the detailers infos if you want to know exactly what is going on:

    http://savethering.org/


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     997.2 C2S, PDK, -20mm


    Re: Save Nurburgring

    Unfortunately, the voices of driving enthusiasts who love the Ring do not seem to matter when there are huge debts involved.

    It's all about the money ...


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    RT Moderator - 997.1 C2S GT Silver/Cocoa, -20mm sports suspension/LSD, PSE, short shifter, SportDesign rims, Zuffenhausen collection


    Re: Save Nurburgring

    here's the balance sheet from 2008 :

    http://ringumbau.de/misc/2010/Nuerburgring_GmbH_Bilanz_2008.pdf

    Approximately only 15% of the revenue was coming from Touristenfahrten.


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    Re: Save Nurburgring

    There is now a court order against 20832.com, a 10-year-old fan community forum. It is being sued for 40.000 € (can raise to 250.000 €) because of an article that had been posted on the forum 1,5 years ago.

    more info here (unfortunately in German) : http://20832.com/forum/


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    Re: Save Nurburgring

    Man this is a joke, a horrible joke. The sheer incompetence of these clowns is sad.

    Take the local government with it's idiot muppets to the EU commission and sort this out top-down.


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    indeed shifting is ancient technology - so is a fuel burning engine..  I happen to like both :) 


    Re: Save Nurburgring

    I am always reluctant to hear one-sided stories on unknown subjects but cannot help to believe that something is going extremely wrong there right now.


    Re: Save Nurburgring

    Gauss:

    There is now a court order against 20832.com, a 10-year-old fan community forum. It is being sued for 40.000 € (can raise to 250.000 €) because of an article that had been posted on the forum 1,5 years ago.

    more info here (unfortunately in German) : http://20832.com/forum/


    English version is now online.
     


    Re: Save Nurburgring

    As someone said on Twitter;

    One can share Frison's point of view or not, but having a court close down the forum is a declaration of war to all nring fans.

    I agree. This is getting really silly. I know of other small businesses in the region that had to (hopefully temporarily) close their websites because they were using some Nordschleife-logo.


    Re: Save Nurburgring

    Not that I think this will happen but I was so disappointed that I never got to fly on Concorde before it was put out of commission.  I can say however, that I am very pleased I have driven the NBR, if the worst should happen.  This is turning into a fiasco.


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    - "I see dead pixels..."
    - “When the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.”


    Re: Save Nurburgring

    Someone will buy the ring.. Mercedes or BMW perhaps. Please take it out of government hands already...


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    indeed shifting is ancient technology - so is a fuel burning engine..  I happen to like both :) 


     
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