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    Re: Lamborghini Huracan and variants

    The latter way doesn’t make you feel that bad when you drive the first-gen model. ๐Ÿ˜€

    Have to say though, Iain is right.I would say the only transition at Lamborghini that was more coherent with a facelift was from the Gallardo to the LP 560, I find it much more appealing than the first generation. Everything else, be it Murcielago, Aventador or Huracan, doesn’t become prettier or harmonious with the facelift.


    Re: Lamborghini Huracan and variants

    Rossi:

    Yeah! They screwed it up. Again. Big time. As always.

    I‘m pleased. smiley

    Yes, I remember "someone" telling me that Lamborghini facelifts are always worse looking than the pre-facelift.

    Seems that that "someone" was right... ๐Ÿ˜‰๐Ÿ˜‚

    Still hoping for a 620 hp power figure and no Performante facelift (I don't care if they call it differently) and I'm good. ๐Ÿค—


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    Re: Lamborghini Huracan and variants

    Joost:
    ISUK:
    ... It's a well established Lamborghini trait where the initial design is the purest/cleanest in terms of flowing design with the mid life refresh introducing more revisions that are there more to differentiate the update than anything else.

    I don't know what is worse: introducing a Gen. 1 model with deliberate design flaws so you can fix them with the mid-life update (the Porsche way), or doing a midlife update with unnecessary changes just to differentiate the updated model from the original one (the Lamborghini way)... Smiley

    No problem there if you own a second generation Porsche and a first generation Lamborghini. Smiley


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    Re: Lamborghini Huracan and variants

    Ferdie:

    The latter way doesn’t make you feel that bad when you drive the first-gen model. ๐Ÿ˜€

    That‘s right. Smiley

    Have to say though, Iain is right.I would say the only transition at Lamborghini that was more coherent with a facelift was from the Gallardo to the LP 560, I find it much more appealing than the first generation. Everything else, be it Murcielago, Aventador or Huracan, doesn’t become prettier or harmonious with the facelift.

    Agree on the LP 560 looking better than the very first Gallardo. But the LP 560 had a facelift itself in 2012, where they screwed it up again. Smiley


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    Re: Lamborghini Huracan and variants

    Rossi:

    Agree on the LP 560 looking better than the very first Gallardo. But the LP 560 had a facelift itself in 2012, where they screwed it up again. Smiley

    True as well. After all the LP560 was a pretty big update already, much more than just a facelift. You do have a point in that the following facelift didn’t improve the car as well.


    Re: Lamborghini Huracan and variants

    The LP was effectively the type of transition Porsche make when making a “new” model on an existing platform i.e. 996 to 997, 991 to 992. The mid cycle refresh of the original Gallardo came in 2006 but centred around mechanical updates instead of styling revisions.


    Re: Lamborghini Huracan and variants

    Oh boy, I just realized I need to brush my Lambo knowledge up. Pronto. ๐Ÿ˜ง๐Ÿ˜‰


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    Re: Lamborghini Huracan and variants

    RC:

    Oh boy, I just realized I need to brush my Lambo knowledge up. Pronto. ๐Ÿ˜ง๐Ÿ˜‰

    Here's all you need to know:

    Look great. Sound great. Handle not so great .


    Re: Lamborghini Huracan and variants

    Rossi:
    Joost:
    ISUK:
    ... It's a well established Lamborghini trait where the initial design is the purest/cleanest in terms of flowing design with the mid life refresh introducing more revisions that are there more to differentiate the update than anything else.

    I don't know what is worse: introducing a Gen. 1 model with deliberate design flaws so you can fix them with the mid-life update (the Porsche way), or doing a midlife update with unnecessary changes just to differentiate the updated model from the original one (the Lamborghini way)... Smiley

    No problem there if you own a second generation Porsche and a first generation Lamborghini. Smiley

     

    Me!!!!!

     


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    Re: Lamborghini Huracan and variants

    RC:

    More importantly, the Huracan facelift gets a revised seating position, meaning that even "big" and/or tall guys fit now pretty well, with enough headroom left for a helmet.

    Funny that the article mentions a 20-30 hp power bump for the Huracan and R8 facelift, when the R8 facelift is already known to carry a 10 hp increase in power.


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    Hmm that 'box' is only so big. Which is actually tiny.

    For the coupe at least the seat can recline more to accommodate, Spyder don't have such luxury.

    The seat will have to be lowered quite a bit, but there isn't that much room under the seat either. 


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    Re: Lamborghini Huracan and variants

    Whoopsy:
    RC:

    More importantly, the Huracan facelift gets a revised seating position, meaning that even "big" and/or tall guys fit now pretty well, with enough headroom left for a helmet.

    Funny that the article mentions a 20-30 hp power bump for the Huracan and R8 facelift, when the R8 facelift is already known to carry a 10 hp increase in power.


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    Hmm that 'box' is only so big. Which is actually tiny.

    For the coupe at least the seat can recline more to accommodate, Spyder don't have such luxury.

    The seat will have to be lowered quite a bit, but there isn't that much room under the seat either. 

    Less padding in those sport seats will add more headroom.  


    Re: Lamborghini Huracan and variants

    crayphile:
    RC:

    Oh boy, I just realized I need to brush my Lambo knowledge up. Pronto. ๐Ÿ˜ง๐Ÿ˜‰

    Here's all you need to know:

    Look great. Sound great. Handle not so great .

    Smiley

    If we go into details with weight (V12) and the boring Audi Quattro system, I think RC will not approve Smiley


    Re: Lamborghini Huracan and variants

    Whoopsy:
    RC:

    More importantly, the Huracan facelift gets a revised seating position, meaning that even "big" and/or tall guys fit now pretty well, with enough headroom left for a helmet.

    Funny that the article mentions a 20-30 hp power bump for the Huracan and R8 facelift, when the R8 facelift is already known to carry a 10 hp increase in power.


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    Hmm that 'box' is only so big. Which is actually tiny.

    For the coupe at least the seat can recline more to accommodate, Spyder don't have such luxury.

    The seat will have to be lowered quite a bit, but there isn't that much room under the seat either. 

    This was actually a major "fix", they completely re-designed the whole seating "setup". Too many complaints from customers, so they had to do something about it. Thank god I'm not that tall...or big. Smiley


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    Re: Lamborghini Huracan and variants

    BiTurbo:
    crayphile:
    RC:

    Oh boy, I just realized I need to brush my Lambo knowledge up. Pronto. ๐Ÿ˜ง๐Ÿ˜‰

    Here's all you need to know:

    Look great. Sound great. Handle not so great .

    Smiley

    If we go into details with weight (V12) and the boring Audi Quattro system, I think RC will not approve Smiley

    Of course I approve, the Aventador is way too heavy for this performance class, incl. the SVJ. The Performante is borderline when it comes to weight but I think everything up to 1600 kg is considered "industry standard" in this class nowadays, as sad as this is. 

    The class leader when it comes to weight is McLaren. Porsche also does a good job with their GT models. 

    The Aventador has another "issue": It is way too big. It is an impressive piece of car and I love it but for the money it costs, Lambo urgently needs to drop the weight by at least 100 kg.


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    Re: Lamborghini Huracan and variants

    The "bad" part for Performante owners is: Lamborghini gave the Huracan Evo 640 hp, similar to Performante. 


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    Re: Lamborghini Huracan and variants

    Seems it got LAWS in the end...
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    Re: Lamborghini Huracan and variants

    I started a new Huracan Evo thread:

    http://www.rennteam.com/forum/thread/514286623/Huracan_Evo_2019_Facelift/page1.html

    I would appreciate it if you post anything related to the Evo in this new thread. Thank you.


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    Re: Lamborghini Huracan and variants

    Is that you RC ? You finally made your daughter happy with the right color , but man, you need to forget about that AWD  smiley

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    Re: Lamborghini Huracan and variants

    Smiley No, not me. 

    AWD is great but not so great if you don't have enough ground clearance. Smiley

    One reason I chose the E63 S as a family car: AWD and an air suspension which can be raised by up to 40 mm (up to 100 kph, which can be pretty useful on snow). Smiley

    I was supposed to go to a Lambo event in Saalfelden next week, driving a Huracan Spyder and the Urus but I can't (business). Smiley Maybe not a bad thing, considering the masses of snow there right now.


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    Re: Lamborghini Huracan and variants

    It reminds me of this German TV-non-Celebrities:

     


    Re: Lamborghini Huracan and variants

    Lars997:

    It reminds me of this German TV-non-Celebrities:

     

    Ah, the German Kardashians... Smiley

    Btw: My friend Roger Klueh is a very good friend of the Geissens. He told me that they all are sweethearts, very nice people and pretty bright as well, you shouldn't be fooled by their TV appearances. 


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    Re: Lamborghini Huracan and variants

    Apparently the owner and a friend with another Lambo had the skidoo track him through this unopened road, but at the end he finished completely blocked . The car belongs to some very young millionaire that is linked to some local scandals . 


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    Re: Lamborghini Huracan and variants

    Gnil:

    Apparently the owner and a friend with another Lambo had the skidoo track him through this unopened road, but at the end he finished completely blocked . The car belongs to some very young millionaire that is linked to some local scandals . 

    Stupidity never dies... Smiley

    Today, we had so much snow that I had to leave the C63 Cab in the garage, drove with my E63 instead. No problem here since you can raise the chassis by 30-40 mm. Great winter car, no traction issues at all. Breaking is quite OK for it's weight as well. My wife sent me to clean the space in front of our garage because there was so much snow in the morning and I just took out the Range Rover, drove a bit forth and back and the space in front of the garage was flattened. Smiley My wife says I am a lazy genius. Smiley Helped the older neighbors to clean their boardwalk though (legal  requirement in Germany, if someone falls, you are liable), wasn't easy since I was already dressed for the office but I did a good deed today (now waiting for the blowback Smiley).

    With a Performante in this snow (not even close what is going on in the mountains...)? I'd have to be an idiot.


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    Re: Lamborghini Huracan and variants

    They do something very right. Otherwise, they would not have the success. And as we all know, this doesn't come without hard work. If I check my Instagram I think I never work. Matter in fact, I always do even when it doesn't look like. 

     


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    Lars997:

    They do something very right. Otherwise, they would not have the success. And as we all know, this doesn't come without hard work. If I check my Instagram I think I never work. Matter in fact, I always do even when it doesn't look like. 

     

    Of course... I like the Geissens and the Kardashians for their business successes. Would also love to meet their managers and have a chat with them, they must be geniuses. Smiley Their fans? Different story. Never understood the appeal. Smiley


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    Re: Lamborghini Huracan and variants

    My son actually noticed something very interesting about the 991.2 GT2 RS and Huracan Performante record runs on the Nordschleife:

    https://youtu.be/k8uoNVYP0EA

    As you can actually see in this comparison video, the Performante is always a tiny bit faster and ahead of the GT2 RS...until the last long straight when the GT2 RS catches up and wins almost five seconds or so over the Performamte due to a much higher speed on the straight.

    I found this observation to be very interesting...


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    Re: Lamborghini Huracan and variants

    Of course , the Performante is the best car ever made smiley


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    Re: Lamborghini Huracan and variants

    Gnil:

    Of course , the Performante is the best car ever made smiley

    Smiley Of course... Smiley

    On a more serious note, check the video. I was surprised too. The last straight is where the GT2 RS wins. I guess this is also where the Aventador SVJ gains...


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    Re: Lamborghini Huracan and variants

    Hmm, GT2RS enters the Karussel like 2-3 seconds before the Lambo.................


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    Re: Lamborghini Huracan and variants

    Whoopsy:

    Hmm, GT2RS enters the Karussel like 2-3 seconds before the Lambo.................

    Not only the Karussell I'm afraid (I finally checked the video), this happens when you trust a 15 year old and his observational skills... Smiley Smiley 


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