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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Actually, Jalopnik spelled Purist correctly..... the PDK guys can’t spell, or use their brain capacity to coordinate their left foot with their right hand yes

    However, the Jalopnik guy thinks the rear seats got deleted because the bucket seats were selected. I’m wondering where my rear seats are indecision


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    AP911:

    Actually, Jalopnik spelled Purist correctly..... the PDK guys can’t spell, or use their brain capacity to coordinate their left foot with their right hand yes

    However, the Jalopnik guy thinks the rear seats got deleted because the bucket seats were selected. I’m wondering where my rear seats are indecision

    I gather that the 992 GT3 Touring may include rear seats in response to many customer requests... smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    that would be the right way to go, needs rear seats...


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    996FourEss:

    that would be the right way to go, needs rear seats...

    you can wish as well for ventilated seats, massage, soft suspension, glass roof...Smiley

    just get a GTS, GT car is supposed to be track focus. Smiley

    embrasse the new turbo world, it is faster than slow GT3.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    I went from a 991.1 TTS  to a 991.2 GT3. I wouldn’t have a TTS again unless I had a GT3.......


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    EnglishManInNY:

    I went from a 991.1 TTS  to a 991.2 GT3. I wouldn’t have a TTS again unless I had a GT3.......

    I completely get that but still don’t get the need to have the options from the regular Carreras proposed in the GT.angry

    Same car but different at the same time. Carrera has enough flavor to wish for a soften GT. They are already less radical than they used to be. I would go the other way. Less sound deadening, less weight, more exotic material.

    less choice of options, less color, just back to basics, drive the damn car.

    manual or pdk is a preference and both are great  kiss

     

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    On the GT3 some confort options don’t make sense. But on the touring version? Absolutely.

    The reason why there is no GT3 touring PDK with rear seats is because it would cannibalize the entire GT3 range and the high spec GTS and TTS sales which have a much higher margin.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Mate if i am Willing to pay for a 911 with a GT3 engine, manual transmission and rear seats, why not sell me one. I live in central London, am among the fortunate few to have two parking spaces, but I only have two spaces,  my constraint is not having the ability to really and practically have three plus cars, so want something that ticks a lot of boxes. Ultimately you may be right that a 992 GTS is the way to go, but my bro has a Gen 2 GT3 and the engine is amazing ...


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    SciFrog:

    On the GT3 some confort options don’t make sense. But on the touring version? Absolutely.

    The reason why there is no GT3 touring PDK with rear seats is because it would cannibalize the entire GT3 range and the high spec GTS and TTS sales which have a much higher margin.

    GT3 touring is a GT3 just without a wing.

    Same harsh suspension, same noise, same track orientation. Zero difference. 

    The pdk-s is different than the regular pdk and tuned for track duty. On top of that, the engine starts pulling at 5,000rpm... I used to daily drive a GT3. At 140kmh on highway, you can’t hear music...the .2 is even worst, you can’t talk to passenger...

    Touring was introduced to immediately soften the price of the R which worked. People are mixing the 2 cars but they are really different. R is lighter, more oriented to road driving, single mass FW, softer suspension, steering calibration, etc...a touring is just a GT3 without wing. The R is the lightest modern 911.

     

    A comfortable touring is a GTS. Look at Porker’s thread. Kid in the car = ear plug protection...

     

     

     


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    Cayenne GTS 2014


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    How do you know it's the same suspension? I've read and heard the opposite, the Touring is a bit softer. 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Gauss:

    How do you know it's the same suspension? I've read and heard the opposite, the Touring is a bit softer. 

    because the PET (technical manual) is clear on that...no different parts at all between cars except the wing and the intake filters. the rest is copy paste. I got it confirmed as well in the right place Smiley

    ''touring'' different in road feeling from journalist means he should do another job and stop drugs or buzz wannabe Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    underfloor is slightly different on the Touring as far as I understand (flap)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    the-missile:
    Gauss:

    How do you know it's the same suspension? I've read and heard the opposite, the Touring is a bit softer. 

    because the PET (technical manual) is clear on that...no different parts at all between cars except the wing and the intake filters. the rest is copy paste. I got it confirmed as well in the right place Smiley

    ''touring'' different in road feeling from journalist means he should do another job and stop drugs or buzz wannabe Smiley


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    991.2 GT3 manual, 991 GT3 2014(sold)

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    +1


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    My Aston has a Larini exhaust, makes the GT3 a very muted car even inside the cabin...


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    BjoernB:

    underfloor is slightly different on the Touring as far as I understand (flap)

    You referring to the diffuser aerodynamic cover for the engine?  Pretty sure it's same on Touring...


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Grant:
    BjoernB:

    underfloor is slightly different on the Touring as far as I understand (flap)

    You referring to the diffuser aerodynamic cover for the engine?  Pretty sure it's same on Touring...

    Smiley yes, same partnumber.

    Blueflame


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    BjoernB:

    underfloor is slightly different on the Touring as far as I understand (flap)

    GT3s and even GT3RS share the same body part number for underneath aero....Smiley

    the R has specific parts, the front part and the rear. the central part is identical to GT3 and GT3RS.


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    Cayenne GTS 2014


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Any differences in the suspension settings?


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    the-missile:
    BjoernB:

    underfloor is slightly different on the Touring as far as I understand (flap)

    GT3s and even GT3RS share the same body part number for underneath aero....Smiley

    the R has specific parts, the front part and the rear. the central part is identical to GT3 and GT3RS.PI thought I read somewhere that Porsche compensates the lesser of downforce on the touring a bit by adding a flap in the underfloor in the back of the car helping to get more downforce  - which was not needed on the GT3 - but I might be wrong Smiley

    I thought that the Touring has a flap to compensate for the lesser downforce vs a GT3 in the back - having the same front in order to balance the aero again - but I might be wrong !  


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    BjoernB:
    the-missile:
    BjoernB:

    underfloor is slightly different on the Touring as far as I understand (flap)

    GT3s and even GT3RS share the same body part number for underneath aero....Smiley

    the R has specific parts, the front part and the rear. the central part is identical to GT3 and GT3RS.PI thought I read somewhere that Porsche compensates the lesser of downforce on the touring a bit by adding a flap in the underfloor in the back of the car helping to get more downforce  - which was not needed on the GT3 - but I might be wrong Smiley

    I thought that the Touring has a flap to compensate for the lesser downforce vs a GT3 in the back - having the same front in order to balance the aero again - but I might be wrong !  

    Nothing to compensate underneath. Difference is the wing against the gurney flap installed on the carrera wing. 

    Nothing else is different. I have the full technical manual which gather GT3 (wing + touring), RS, R. 2013 to date. There is even info about speedster engine on it 


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    Cayenne GTS 2014


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    How does one go about acquiring this full technical manual ? I'd like to have one also smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    the-missile:
    . There is even info about speedster engine on it 

    Let us know what it says about the filter , where it is located , how many HP does it take away  and what is the final HP for the engine 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Gnil:
    the-missile:
    . There is even info about speedster engine on it 

    Let us know what it says about the filter , where it is located , how many HP does it take away  and what is the final HP for the engine 

    It’s a technical manual, not a crystal ball... Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Gauss:

    How does one go about acquiring this full technical manual ? I'd like to have one also smiley

    send me your email address in private and get your mailbox ready to receive 42mb doc SmileySmiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Gnil:
    the-missile:
    . There is even info about speedster engine on it 

    Let us know what it says about the filter , where it is located , how many HP does it take away  and what is the final HP for the engine 

    4,00L 382kw 519hp 6cyl  MA179, engine from RS...

    the filters info is for the touring, it is just different part numbers...I know they are conic ones. completely different shape as the GT3 and the RS which are identical in term of shape but not in material.Smiley


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    Cayenne GTS 2014


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    the-missile:
    BjoernB:
    the-missile:
    BjoernB:

    underfloor is slightly different on the Touring as far as I understand (flap)

    GT3s and even GT3RS share the same body part number for underneath aero....Smiley

    the R has specific parts, the front part and the rear. the central part is identical to GT3 and GT3RS.PI thought I read somewhere that Porsche compensates the lesser of downforce on the touring a bit by adding a flap in the underfloor in the back of the car helping to get more downforce  - which was not needed on the GT3 - but I might be wrong Smiley

    I thought that the Touring has a flap to compensate for the lesser downforce vs a GT3 in the back - having the same front in order to balance the aero again - but I might be wrong !  

    Nothing to compensate underneath. Difference is the wing against the gurney flap installed on the carrera wing. 

    Nothing else is different. I have the full technical manual which gather GT3 (wing + touring), RS, R. 2013 to date. There is even info about speedster engine on it 

    911touring.png


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    BjoernB:
    the-missile:
    BjoernB:
    the-missile:
    BjoernB:

    underfloor is slightly different on the Touring as far as I understand (flap)

    GT3s and even GT3RS share the same body part number for underneath aero....Smiley

    the R has specific parts, the front part and the rear. the central part is identical to GT3 and GT3RS.PI thought I read somewhere that Porsche compensates the lesser of downforce on the touring a bit by adding a flap in the underfloor in the back of the car helping to get more downforce  - which was not needed on the GT3 - but I might be wrong Smiley

    I thought that the Touring has a flap to compensate for the lesser downforce vs a GT3 in the back - having the same front in order to balance the aero again - but I might be wrong !  

    Nothing to compensate underneath. Difference is the wing against the gurney flap installed on the carrera wing. 

    Nothing else is different. I have the full technical manual which gather GT3 (wing + touring), RS, R. 2013 to date. There is even info about speedster engine on it 

    911touring.png

    gurney flap is in the manual. ref 991 504 281 82, Tear-off edge for rear spoiler

    front splitter is identical for GT3.2 winged and GT3 touring: ref 991 505 525 80

    rear diffuser is identical in the winged and touring ref 991 504 257 98

    991R diffuser ref 991 504 257 94

    remember that GT3.2 has smaller front spoiler and diffuser as well compared to .1 version...Smiley marketing tricksSmiley

     


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    991.2 GT3 manual, 991 GT3 2014(sold)

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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    the-missile:
    Gnil:
    the-missile:
    . There is even info about speedster engine on it 

    Let us know what it says about the filter , where it is located , how many HP does it take away  and what is the final HP for the engine 

    4,00L 382kw 519hp 6cyl  MA179, engine from RS...

    the filters info is for the touring, it is just different part numbers...I know they are conic ones. completely different shape as the GT3 and the RS which are identical in term of shape but not in material.Smiley

    Thanks . But meant the particle filter Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    They will keep the same power. 

    These engines can be pushed way above current power. 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    the-missile:

    They will keep the same power. 

    Yep. Same power figure.

    These engines can be pushed way above current power. 

    These engines will be used for the 992 as well, slightly modified, base stays the same. No sense to develop a completely new n/a engine for that purpose. Smiley


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