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Jul 30, 2006 8:42:35 PM

cannga: Expert; Loc: Los Angeles's "twisties" :-) , United States; Posts: 1940, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 6, 2005

HELP: TIRE: How to tell if tires (Michelin PS) are N rated?

Hello,

I am ordering two rear tires for my 2006 997 non S coupe. I've decided to go with the Michelin Pilot Sport. The tire dealer is Discount Tire Center in Torrance, California.

Per their computer, the tire selected has model number 265/40YR18. There is *no* "N3" designation, at least on the computer. The salesperson *assumes* that since the computer pulls it up per his input (Porsche 997), it must be.

A couple of questions please:

1. How do I know that this tire is N3 rated? Should the tire order specification indicate N3? Would the tire wall indicate "N3"?

2. I am sure this has been discussed before, but I can't seem to find it: Any difference between N3 and non N3 that you know of, with respect to wear and handling, for example?

3. If the tire ordered is Pilot Sport, it means Pilot Sport 2, right? That is, Pilot Sport 1 doesn't exist anymore?

4. Is there any other tire shop in the Torrance/South Bay area that you would recommend?

Thanks in advance.

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Jul 30, 2006 9:02:37 PM

jeffbco: Pilot; Loc: Denver; Posts: 494, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 18, 2006; Reply to: cannga

Re: HELP: TIRE: How to tell if tires (Michelin PS) are N rated?

Go to Wheel Enhancement in Culver City - not that far from you. They know their Porsche tires and wheels.

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Jul 30, 2006 11:37:06 PM

SrfCity: Expert; Loc: Orange County, CA; Posts: 1339, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 21, 2004; Reply to: jeffbco

Re: HELP: TIRE: How to tell if tires (Michelin PS) are N rat

Maybe just get them from Tirerack and have them shipped somewhere for install. AFAIK, the dealers are pretty competitive. Why not give them a shot and see if they'll match price?

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Jul 31, 2006 3:19:22 AM

cannga: Expert; Loc: Los Angeles's "twisties" :-) , United States; Posts: 1940, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 6, 2005; Reply to: SrfCity

Re: HELP: TIRE: How to tell if tires (Michelin PS) are N rat

Thank you "SrfCity." The price is acceptable to me from Discount Tire Center. I am not looking for better prices; my main concern is how I could *confirm* that the ones ordered for me are truly N rated.

I would also prefer to stay away from having to carry these big tires to a tire shop to be installed, so Discount Tire is a better option.

So, does anyone here have Michelin PS N3 rated tires? Would you please look at the tire and see if it says N on the tire wall?

Thanks in advance.

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SrfCity said:
Maybe just get them from Tirerack and have them shipped somewhere for install. AFAIK, the dealers are pretty competitive. Why not give them a shot and see if they'll match price?

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Jul 31, 2006 3:58:52 AM

SrfCity: Expert; Loc: Orange County, CA; Posts: 1339, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 21, 2004; Reply to: cannga

Re: HELP: TIRE: How to tell if tires (Michelin PS) are N rat

My suggestions were really to ensure that you get what you really want. BTW, with Tirereck you have them shipped directly to the installer. Mine have an "N1" on them. Good luck with it.

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Jul 31, 2006 4:37:34 AM

cannga: Expert; Loc: Los Angeles's "twisties" :-) , United States; Posts: 1940, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 6, 2005; Reply to: SrfCity

Re: HELP: TIRE: How to tell if tires (Michelin PS) are N rat

Very helpful info. Thanks again.

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SrfCity said:
My suggestions were really to ensure that you get what you really want. BTW, with Tirereck you have them shipped directly to the installer. Mine have an "N1" on them. Good luck with it.

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Jul 31, 2006 7:52:35 AM

percymon: Senior; Loc: Chester; Posts: 765, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 23, 2005; Reply to: cannga

Re: HELP: TIRE: How to tell if tires (Michelin PS) are N rat

Yes - all N rated tyre have the Porsche rating on the side wall, whether it be N0,1,2,3 or 4

Make sure the price you have been quoted is for N rated, that tyre size is also available for non Porsches, and will be quite a different tyre in construction, compound and performance.

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Jul 31, 2006 10:48:12 PM

KiwiCanuck: Co-Pilot; Loc: Canada; Posts: 210, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 14, 2005; Reply to: cannga

Re: HELP: TIRE: How to tell if tires (Michelin PS) are N rated?

Well------ Pilot Sport 1 and 2 still both exist of course. Some cars are still sold with OE PS1 e.g. BMW M3 Coupe!. And a car developed with PS1 would likely still wish to continue with PS1.

PS1 is available with N or Lexus MB etc spec ------- Michelin web shows that and my dealer has the printed listing ...

I have PS1 on my 997, to replace the summer Contis which I did not like..and ------I deliberately did NOT buy the N spec as their ride quality on our less than European roads is not as good as the standard PS1. The latter are already designed to very high performnace levels, so unless you are racing the car the standard PS1 are better....they are the way Michelin originally desgned the tire, and not how PAG think they should be desingned. I used them on my NSX for years and found them excellent in all regards.

KiwiCanuck

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Aug 1, 2006 2:14:21 AM

dkreidel: Co-Pilot; Loc: SoCal USA , United States; Posts: 167, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 10, 2006; Reply to: cannga

Re: HELP: TIRE: How to tell if tires (Michelin PS) are N rated?

I looked at my April build 2006 C2S coupe with 235/305 section PS2 tires - they are N1.
I have had PS1's and PS2's on my 2005 M3, and disagree that the PS1's are quieter and offer a better ride. I have a lot of experience with PS1's on my M5 and E55 Merc, and can unequivocally say that the PS2's are much, much quieter, grip better in both wet and dry conditions, and have a much quicker initial turn in. They also wear a hell of a lot faster on any given car (like my M3 cab with 19" PS2's) and are more expensive than PS1's.

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Aug 1, 2006 4:01:07 PM

911Fanatic: Co-Pilot; Loc: Alpharetta, Georgia; Posts: 176, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 26, 2005; Reply to: cannga

Re: HELP: TIRE: How to tell if tires (Michelin PS) are N rat

Just replaced rear tires on my 05 997 S as well. The exact replacements should be "N1" and will be designated on the side wall.

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Aug 1, 2006 10:34:38 PM

KiwiCanuck: Co-Pilot; Loc: Canada; Posts: 210, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 14, 2005; Reply to: dkreidel

Re: HELP: TIRE: How to tell if tires (Michelin PS) are N rated?

----Who said this?

"and disagree that the PS1's are quieter and offer a better ride" than the PS2s. I did not ---

KiwiCanuck

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Aug 2, 2006 8:16:59 PM

cannga: Expert; Loc: Los Angeles's "twisties" :-) , United States; Posts: 1940, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 6, 2005; Reply to: KiwiCanuck

Re: HELP: TIRE: How to tell if tires (Michelin PS) are N rated?

Hello "Kiwicanuck,"

Please explain, are you saying that the N rated tire has stiffer ride? If so, is this conclusion based on per personal experience?

Out of curiosity, do you (or anyone) know what makes a tire N rated? (How is it different?)

Thanks.

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KiwiCanuck said:
Well------ Pilot Sport 1 and 2 still both exist of course. Some cars are still sold with OE PS1 e.g. BMW M3 Coupe!. And a car developed with PS1 would likely still wish to continue with PS1.

PS1 is available with N or Lexus MB etc spec ------- Michelin web shows that and my dealer has the printed listing ...

I have PS1 on my 997, to replace the summer Contis which I did not like..and ------I deliberately did NOT buy the N spec as their ride quality on our less than European roads is not as good as the standard PS1. The latter are already designed to very high performnace levels, so unless you are racing the car the standard PS1 are better....they are the way Michelin originally desgned the tire, and not how PAG think they should be desingned. I used them on my NSX for years and found them excellent in all regards.

KiwiCanuck

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Aug 3, 2006 10:44:12 PM

KiwiCanuck: Co-Pilot; Loc: Canada; Posts: 210, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 14, 2005; Reply to: cannga

Re: HELP: TIRE: How to tell if tires (Michelin PS) are N rated?

I read some European material on that: the PAG work with Michelin in particular on different sidewall (may be more than that, they are not specific)characteritiscs ---- the 997 was designed with the PS 2, and then they speced out the Contis etc----

We gather from some experienced PAG persons in Canada, that a Conti N (PAG requested specs) and a PS 2 N are closer in performance to each other, than are the 'standard' Conti and PS. They can handle anything (appropriate to the car's design) a 997 can throw at it.....race day included.

The N numbers increase as PAG request modified specs in later years.

I am informed and find that the standard tires from Michelin etc are more compliant on our ruffer NA roads, and still able to handle anything I expect of the car on roads as opposed to Race tracks.

Cheers v

KiwiCanuck

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