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    Porsche's 2023 Results

    Just did an analysis on Porsche's 2023 Results and Ownership structure:

    Porsche's 2023 Results

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    Re: Porsche's 2023 Results

    Good analysis. kiss

    What's the problem with China? Depressed economy or an intentional reduction in allocations?


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    Re: Porsche's 2023 Results

    nberry:

    Good analysis. kiss

    What's the problem with China? Depressed economy or an intentional reduction in allocations?

    Economy, there's no issue with capacity


    Re: Porsche's 2023 Results

    Surprised by the Taycan numbers.  Are these figures actual sales to customers or taken by dealer figures?  My local dealership struggles to sell any new Taycans.  Used ones seem to move a little better due to the massive discount as they are former loaner cars for the most part.

    I've actually thought of getting a Cross Turismo, but the depreciation is so great.  Then with used ones the battery tech being outdated in the future worries me as well.


    Re: Porsche's 2023 Results

    lexs4:

    Surprised by the Taycan numbers.  Are these figures actual sales to customers or taken by dealer figures?  My local dealership struggles to sell any new Taycans.  Used ones seem to move a little better due to the massive discount as they are former loaner cars for the most part.

    I've actually thought of getting a Cross Turismo, but the depreciation is so great.  Then with used ones the battery tech being outdated in the future worries me as well.

    I feel your pain on the depreciation aspect.

    When I traded my 2023 Taycan GTS Sport Turismo for the Mercedes EQS, I took a real beating.  Turns out there was a US$ 50,000 per car incentive from Porsche for dealers to dispose of any Taycan inventory before the new-tech (MY 2025?) models hit our shores.  Just brutal for the depreciation of old-tech Taycans, no matter how new.


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    Re: Porsche's 2023 Results

    I worry that this will be true for all EVs for the next few years… I am no longer pursuing the EQG partly for that reason.


    Re: Porsche's 2023 Results

    EVs seem more of a lease proposition than a purchase unless you are okay with older technology in a used one.  Let someone else, sorry Mike, eat the depreciation. 


    Re: Porsche's 2023 Results

    The market knows and demonstrates the silliness of EV. It's depreciation, running costs, tyres, repairs all ridiculous, besides the toxicity.


     
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