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    Official: new DCT gearbox for M3 V8

    Full pressrelese

    http://shrani.si/f/r/10E/3xFS3lZm/mdctgbfv.pdf

    EU-consumption:

    M3 coupe manual: 12,4 l/100km
    M3 coupe M DCT: 11,9 l/100km

    M3 sedan manual: 12,4 l/100km
    M3 sedan M DCT: 11,9 l/100km

    M3 cabrio manual: 12,9 l/100km
    M3 cabrio M DCT: 12,3 l/100km

    German Price: 3800,- Euro - confirmed by BMW-Speaker
    Code: 2MK

    M3 coupe manual: 4.8s 0-100kmh (1580kg by DIN)
    M3 coupe M DCT: 4.6s 0-100kmh (1600kg by DIN)

    M3 sedan manual: 4.9s 0-100kmh (1605kg by DIN)
    M3 sedan M DCT: 4.7s 0-100kmh (1625kg by DIN)

    M3 cabrio manual: 5.3s 0-100kmh (1810kg by DIN)
    M3 cabrio M DCT: 5.1s 0-100kmh (1830kg by DIN)


    Re: Official: new DCT gearbox for M3 V8

    Great news

    Re: Official: new DCT gearbox for M3 V8

    Great numbers. BMW tech FTW as always!
    But the shifter, although handsome, it looks a bit gayish and feeble in comparison to the power it handles.
    And what to say about the price 3800 Euro +VAT than...

    Re: Official: new DCT gearbox for M3 V8

    Its worth every single money.

    Re: Official: new DCT gearbox for M3 V8

    Yes the price is very good - I hope that Porsche will read this price tag and that the PDK will be in the same region.

    AM

    Re: Official: new DCT gearbox for M3 V8

    Quote:
    mumbasic said:
    Yes the price is very good - I hope that Porsche will read this price tag and that the PDK will be in the same region.

    AM



    I guess it will be more like 5 to 6k ...

    Re: Official: new DCT gearbox for M3 V8

    it is still cheap - what do you pay for the F1-gearbox?

    AM

    PS. I forgot the exchange rate:

    Porsche 1 Porsche $ = 2 BMW $
    Ferrari 1 Ferrari $ = 4 BMW $


    Re: Official: new DCT gearbox for M3 V8

    Quote:
    mumbasic said:
    it is still cheap - what do you pay for the F1-gearbox?



    Not that much more. The F1 is something like 6.300 Euro, I expect the PDK to cost 20% less if you're lucky or 10% if Porsche will act like Porsche.

    Re: Official: new DCT gearbox for M3 V8

    Quote:
    janus said:
    Great numbers. BMW tech FTW as always!
    But the shifter, although handsome, it looks a bit gayish and feeble in comparison to the power it handles.
    And what to say about the price 3800 Euro +VAT than...



    Does this price include VAT in Germany?

    Alex

    Re: Official: new DCT gearbox for M3 V8

    I think the better acceleration and fuel economy of the DCT are solely due to the fact that the DCT is 7spd and manual is 6spd...

    Re: Official: new DCT gearbox for M3 V8

    Quote:
    AlexG said:
    Quote:
    janus said:
    Great numbers. BMW tech FTW as always!
    But the shifter, although handsome, it looks a bit gayish and feeble in comparison to the power it handles.
    And what to say about the price 3800 Euro +VAT than...



    Does this price include VAT in Germany?

    Alex



    In the M3 cabrio thread tt was said it was without VAT so I was going by that.

    Re: Official: new DCT gearbox for M3 V8

    It's $2,700 in the states and available for March production.

    Re: Official: new DCT gearbox for M3 V8

    Quote:
    devo said:
    It's $2,700 in the states and available for March production.



    wtf, that's so unfair

    Re: Official: new DCT gearbox for M3 V8

    Quote:
    palenimbus said:wtf, that's so unfair


    Just get manual then - it's more fun anyways

    Re: Official: new DCT gearbox for M3 V8

    Quote:
    Grant said:
    Quote:
    palenimbus said:wtf, that's so unfair


    Just get manual then - it's more fun anyways



    Thats if the goods don't get damaged on the way there.

    Re: Official: new DCT gearbox for M3 V8

    I don't understand how you can all say the price is good. Look at how much VW is charging for DSG? Tell me how this is different from DSG?

    Re: Official: new DCT gearbox for M3 V8

    Quote:
    WAY said:
    I don't understand how you can all say the price is good. Look at how much VW is charging for DSG? Tell me how this is different from DSG?



    M-DKG(or M-DCT)is even more advanced DSG then Nissan GT-R DSG. It is current SOTA in DSG style gearboxes. Only upcoming PDK and RS-Tronic(DSG for R8, early in 2009) will be at the same technical level as M-DKG...

    Just, Grant made an correct point about manual been more fun potentionaly. I re-read German M-DKG press release few times and gearbox seems to be complicated as SMGIII in M6. How reliable will it be? I think that is a fair question.

    Re: Official: new DCT gearbox for M3 V8

    Quote:
    WAY said:
    I don't understand how you can all say the price is good. Look at how much VW is charging for DSG? Tell me how this is different from DSG?



    Indeed. DSG goes for 1650 euros, TVA 21% included (in Belgium)


    ferrari makes you pay 7K for no reason what so ever. Its the same story for any other option you add.

    Add a little piece of leather in some place you can't even see and they'll charge you the price of the cow for it.

    Porsche deos the same thing. They ask a bit less than ferrari but it's still a complete rip off. They probably charge you as much as 3 or 4 times the real cost. Maybe even more.


    BMW is going on the same trend but it ain't a ferrari or a porsche.

    Re: Official: new DCT gearbox for M3 V8

    Relative to cost of options...well i think that at the moment BMW is one of the makers who charges the most. Example? 335i base price in switzerland 68.000 CHF. Nicely specd 93-95000 CHF.
    Even worse with an X5 3.0sd. Base price something like 87000CHF. Nicely specd 130000CHF.
    Options cost something like a + 50% over the base price :O

    Re: Official: new DCT gearbox for M3 V8

    PRICE FOR DCT in USA. OFFICIAL: $2,700.
    (Price for SMGII for M3 E46 was $2,400)


    BMW just announced that the DCT will be available in the U.S for the coupe beginning with the March production, and for the sedan beginning with the June production. (Price for SMGII for M3 E46 was $2,400)

    Re: Official: new DCT gearbox for M3 V8

    When do we see this in europe then?

    Re: Official: new DCT gearbox for M3 V8

    You can order it from now. AFAIK it is already in dealers order system in continental Europe. Production of M-DKG(M-DCT) starts from week 10.

    Re: Official: new DCT gearbox for M3 V8

    US vs. EU in car parts is the most unfair deal ever.
    Why on earth do they charge them so little.

    Re: Official: new DCT gearbox for M3 V8

    Quote:
    janus said:
    US vs. EU in car parts is the most unfair deal ever.
    Why on earth do they charge them so little.




    I think it's because most cars sold in the US are automatics. Manuals are pretty rare. It's the opposite in europe where most cars are manuals, excepts SUV and big sedans like the S or the 7 series. Other wise, european don't order a golf with a auto box.


    So it's a question of volume of sales. The more you sell, the cheaper it gets. In the US, all cars are automatics except for a few european sports cars.

    Re: Official: new DCT gearbox for M3 V8

    Price for M-DKG is Euro 3800 with German Mwst. Great news and really fair price IMHO.

    Re: Official: new DCT gearbox for M3 V8

    I guess you are right, amazon.

    Kreso, you bring good news,not so bad then, i already saw it as a 5000 Euro option here

    How long will this tranny be M3 only property?
    To what models will it trickle down?

    Re: Official: new DCT gearbox for M3 V8

    Quote:
    janus said:
    I guess you are right, amazon.

    Kreso, you bring good news,not so bad then, i already saw it as a 5000 Euro option here

    How long will this tranny be M3 only property?
    To what models will it trickle down?



    You mean trickle up?

    To M5/M6 first...

    BTW, heard today that M3 with M-DKG is 3s faster on the Ring then manual version. Also, in straight line it is almost 1s faster till 200km/h... Honestly, M-DKG is a must IMHO on new M3.

    Re: Official: new DCT gearbox for M3 V8

    Kreso, Kreso, I remember when you were against DSG-transmission types... did you changed your mood? (just teasing)

    Re: Official: new DCT gearbox for M3 V8

    If you mean did I change my opinion against DSGs?

    In short answer is yes and no. DSG type transimission is way better then sequential manual. In fact sequential manuals are basically dead. Only Graziano based gearboxes(F1,e-gear, R-Tronic and Sportshift) used them. Of course there is also SMGIII but, its days are over...

    Problem with Audi/VW DSG gearboxes is that they are not sporty enough. M-DKG is sporty enough, even for die hard manual fans...

    Re: Official: new DCT gearbox for M3 V8

    Quote:
    KresoF1 said:
    If you mean did I change my opinion against DSGs?

    In short answer is yes and no. DSG type transimission is way better then sequential manual. In fact sequential manuals are basically dead. Only Graziano based gearboxes(F1,e-gear, R-Tronic and Sportshift) used them. Of course there is also SMGIII but, its days are over...

    Problem with Audi/VW DSG gearboxes is that they are not sporty enough. M-DKG is sporty enough, even for die hard manual fans...



    How do you know its sporty enough? Has there been any reviews of it yet? I agree the VW/ Audi version I have tried in the Gti is not great, smooth, fast but not "racey" enough for me...

     
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