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    Mercedes EQC

    Mercedes have unveiled their answer to Tesla with the first model from their new electric EQ sub-brand. 400 hp but 2.4 tonnes in weight. 0-62mph in 5.1 seconds with a top speed of 111mph. No prices as yet.

    The rear end lights look surprisingly familiar Smiley

    https://www.topgear.com/car-news/future-tech/all-electric-mercedes-eq-c-ready-fight-tesla

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    Re: Mercedes EQC

    Looks like a Velar-Cayenne indecision


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    Re: Mercedes EQC

    A 'Ma-lar' or a 'Vela-yenne'. Once you see the moustache in the front bumper...


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    DuckieRS:

    A 'Ma-lar' or a 'Vela-yenne'. Once you see the moustache in the front bumper...

    They should have called it the Poirot or Ludendorff with that frontal detail Smiley

     


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    Haha, you can't un-see that once you've seen it either!


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    Why do companies think that if a car is electric, it has to have ugly wheels?


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    Tesla must be shaking in their boots... Not smiley


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    SciFrog:

    Tesla must be shaking in their boots... Not smiley

    The Mercedes EQC falls woefully short of the mark with a lack of range when compared with its competition.  This is a direct artifact of Mercedes relying too much on the economics afforded by reconfiguring the GLC platform.  Couple the compromised platform with a compromised assembly process, again using the facilities where the GLC is produced, and Mercedes has produced a vehicle at least half a decade behind the rest.  In a couple of weeks, when Audi debuts its e-tron quattro, the market will have a more tangible picture of where the Germans reside on the EV technology curve.


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    would not understand why they would be behind of anything using the latest available tech,,,,,,,


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    ISUK:
    DuckieRS:

    A 'Ma-lar' or a 'Vela-yenne'. Once you see the moustache in the front bumper...

    They should have called it the Poirot or Ludendorff with that frontal detail Smiley

     

    Or Dieter Zetsche ?


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    BjoernB:

    would not understand why they would be behind of anything using the latest available tech,,,,,,,

    The range is less than that of the Jaguar iPace or Tesla Model X, which is a larger vehicle.   Converting an ICE platform to a BEV introduces too many compromises in battery packaging.   The Mercedes EQC has a truss frame around the front motor and electronic controller package so it can fit in the space of the engine bay transmission tunnel of the GLC platform.  That eliminates the front trunk area found on the other BEVs, for example.  


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    well for rumoured 70k starting it should be more competitive then


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    The Model Y should trounce this “new” car that will be on the market for the next 5 years...


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    SciFrog:

    The Model Y should trounce this “new” car that will be on the market for the next 5 years...

    However, this compliance car will find a market in China.  Until Tesla produces the Model Y, it remains vaporware.  One should also consider that Mercedes as budgeted approximately 10 billion Euro over the next few years for BEV development.  This sum is equal to the current Tesla debt load; however, Volkswagen Group is said to be allocating over $35 billion Euro over the same time period.


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    Tesla is still another planet


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    xander71:

    Tesla is still another planet


    Pluto? Smiley


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    Re: Mercedes EQC

    This is what all rennteam's gurus had been talking for months when they were saying "wait until the germans join the EV race"?

    Another already outdated product even before its launch coming from the "brick&mortar" companies.


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    xander71:

    Tesla is still another planet

    hv2lrikgork11.png

    Close enough. Smiley

     


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    enough said


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    JoeRockhead:
    xander71:

    Tesla is still another planet

    hv2lrikgork11.png

    Close enough. Smiley

     

    This is from the following podcast as The Chief Accounting Officer of Tesla resigned five weeks on the job.   https://insideevs.com/musk-whiskey-drag-insanity-running-tesla/


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    Cause Elon hired the guy for financial advice but he won't listen to the guy he hired. 

    Makes you wonder why he hired him in the first place.


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    Whoopsy:

    Cause Elon hired the guy for financial advice but he won't listen to the guy he hired. 

    Makes you wonder why he hired him in the first place.

    He probably forgot why too.


    Re: Mercedes EQC

    alexalex88:

    This is what all rennteam's gurus had been talking for months when they were saying "wait until the germans join the EV race"?

    Another already outdated product even before its launch coming from the "brick&mortar" companies.

     

    The 'brick & mortar" companies don't have production problem nor a cash flow shortage problem nor convertible bonds that are due shortly nor have a CEO that doesn't know when to shut his mouth?

     


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    Whoopsy:
    alexalex88:

    This is what all rennteam's gurus had been talking for months when they were saying "wait until the germans join the EV race"?

    Another already outdated product even before its launch coming from the "brick&mortar" companies.

     

    The 'brick & mortar" companies don't have production problem nor a cash flow shortage problem nor convertible bonds that are due shortly nor have a CEO that doesn't know when to shut his mouth?

     

    The Mercedes EQC may not be highly competitive; however, it represents a solid opportunity for Mercedes-Benz to generate a positive return on its investment as its first major foray into the BEV space.  As one stated above, the EQC only needs to be competitive enough for the Chinese market to be a success and this is the company's first of many efforts in this space.  Mercedes has less facilities, and capital, when compared with Volkswagen Group and the Board and senior management made a significant decision to produce its BEVs along side its existing ICE-based products.   BMW and Audi made decisions to make investment on separate facilities dedicated to EV production. 

    BMW made the capital investments reflected in this strategic decision over a decade ago with the i3 model.  While the company has gained knowledge on EV technology and lightweight carbon fabrication, its carrier product, the i3, remains too expensive for its market position.

    Volkswagen Group's decision to enter the EV space with measurable capital investment is predicated on its efforts to move away from diesel technologies following Dieselgate.  The two other major German automakers were not as severely affected by this scandal.   In a few days, the market will learn if Audi has met or exceeded the current EV competition.  


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    xander71:

    Tesla is still another planet

    You mean Tesla is inferior, I guess Smiley


    Re: Mercedes EQC

    Whoopsy:
    alexalex88:

    This is what all rennteam's gurus had been talking for months when they were saying "wait until the germans join the EV race"?

    Another already outdated product even before its launch coming from the "brick&mortar" companies.

     

    The 'brick & mortar" companies don't have production problem nor a cash flow shortage problem nor convertible bonds that are due shortly nor have a CEO that doesn't know when to shut his mouth?

     

    They don’t have production problem because there is not production at all yet. They’re selling already outdated smoke.

    At first it was like “you’ll see what the germans are cooking”. Reality is that they’re cooking some old meat from 2014 forgotten in the bottom of the fridge.

    Cash flow shortage, convertible bonds, stock price. I’m not discussing any of that, all I’m saying is all of you have been predicting company’s bankrupcy for years now and Tesla is still running, ramping up its production and offering the best EV out there.

    You seem not to understand that companies like this don’t operate as a traditional one so its valuation isn’t that much about inmediate results, which are important ofc, but its data, know-how and vision.

    They are doing a damn good job if you ask me.

    Musk’s loud mouth is a completly different topic.


    Re: Mercedes EQC

    You are taking the worst example and extrapolating from it to suit your argument, fact is you havent seen the upcoming products from the germans yet, you really think these Tesla models are better than the Taycan or E-Tron and other upcoming products? 


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    Re: Mercedes EQC

    At first blush, many, including myself, are prone to negatively attack Mercedes efforts with the EQC, but further investigation raises several interesting issues.  Mercedes has deeper insight into Tesla than the casual observer would note as the company was an early investor in Tesla.  In 2014, Mercedes sold most of its investment but this was following Tesla’s development of the Mercedes electric B Class; therefore, Mercedes does understand Tesla’s technologies.   Additionally, one may recall a highly publicized incident where Mercedes rented a privately owned Tesla Model X and took the car to several research facilities.   It was also reported by Tesla, that Mercedes had disassembled and then reassembled the Model X.  As one would imagine, the owners were livid upon hearing that news.  However, Mercedes would have noted the real work condition of a privately owned BEV, something that is difficult to achieve with an accelerated aged test vehicle.   The final bit of the story is important too.   Mercedes has also announced that it is using a slower than normal production ramp on the EQC to contain warranty costs.   Evidently, the company uncovered something during its testing and evaluation phase of Tesla.   Similar statements have been made by Porsche officials when the company said it wasn’t benchmarking Tesla but was caught with Tesla test vehicles. 


    Re: Mercedes EQC

    alexalex88:
    Whoopsy:
    alexalex88:

    This is what all rennteam's gurus had been talking for months when they were saying "wait until the germans join the EV race"?

    Another already outdated product even before its launch coming from the "brick&mortar" companies.

     

    The 'brick & mortar" companies don't have production problem nor a cash flow shortage problem nor convertible bonds that are due shortly nor have a CEO that doesn't know when to shut his mouth?

     

    They don’t have production problem because there is not production at all yet. They’re selling already outdated smoke.

    At first it was like “you’ll see what the germans are cooking”. Reality is that they’re cooking some old meat from 2014 forgotten in the bottom of the fridge.

    Cash flow shortage, convertible bonds, stock price. I’m not discussing any of that, all I’m saying is all of you have been predicting company’s bankrupcy for years now and Tesla is still running, ramping up its production and offering the best EV out there.

    You seem not to understand that companies like this don’t operate as a traditional one so its valuation isn’t that much about inmediate results, which are important ofc, but its data, know-how and vision.

    They are doing a damn good job if you ask me.

    Musk’s loud mouth is a completly different topic.

     

    Sorry, but unlike you I am not a blind Elon worshiper that believe in everything he says. I trust my own judgement on any company's business case and financial records more. 

    Tesla doesn't have a success path, it only has a dream path that someone hope they will succeed.

    Mind you, they are quite successful in pushing for EV to be 'mainstream'. If not for them other manufacturers wouldn't not have try and develop their own product so soon. 

    But unlike Tesla, other manufacturers won't release premature products that aren't finished. This is a automobile we are taking about, not an iPhone or a Amazon Alexa. A bug in a iPhone might cause the phone to hang, it won't kill people. A bug in the software of the Alexa might record private conversation and send it to others, but it won't kill people. Tesla's buggy software had killed plenty already. Enough said.

     

     


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