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May 8, 2009 1:32:03 PM

TTurbine: Junior; Loc: Doha , Qatar; Posts: 136, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 27, 2006

997tt with RUF 600 package???

I've been having thoughts about upgrading my stage 1 Ruf car to there stage 2 with there modified vgts. have anyone tried this package?? i have found an article of the internet that tests a Ruf 600 997 turbo wth a LP560 but the performance figures for the Ruf 600 are identicle to RCs , Lukas , and my cars performance numbers with our 550 package from Ruf?? so there must be a typo and the car is more likly running with there 550 package instead of the stated 600 package.

Has anyone tried there stage 2 package? any thoughts?? Smiley

i need your advice to pull the triger Smiley

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May 8, 2009 1:36:50 PM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: TTurbine

Re: 997tt with RUF 600 package???

Although I did not have the opportunity to compare these two kits I would argue that you need more than just these 50hp to feel a major difference. Maybe you should consider going for the larger 650+ kit?

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May 8, 2009 1:50:12 PM

TTurbine: Junior; Loc: Doha , Qatar; Posts: 136, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 27, 2006; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: 997tt with RUF 600 package???

MKSGR, i tottaly agree with you but the biggest drawback factor is the price........... and about there 550 package i tried with several US tuned 997 turbos with 600+ Hp ratings... and the outcome was for the Ruf all day long................. so i just thought that uprading to Rufs vgts will make a a big diffrence in power?

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May 8, 2009 2:53:36 PM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: TTurbine

Re: 997tt with RUF 600 package???

I see your point. The "large" engine is quite expensive indeed Smiley

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May 9, 2009 3:23:52 PM

TTurbine: Junior; Loc: Doha , Qatar; Posts: 136, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 27, 2006; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: 997tt with RUF 600 package???

I would also argue that upgrading the vgts will yeaild a noticable gain across the powerband?????

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May 9, 2009 4:26:49 PM

bbywu: Junior; Loc: WI , United States; Posts: 88, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 24, 2006; Reply to: TTurbine

Re: 997tt with RUF 600 package???

There are very few Ruf 600s in comparison to 550s primarily because of price, but also because there is only a marginal performance difference between the two kits. When asking about the 600 kit at RAC in Dallas, I was told that there was a pretty minimal difference, but a nearly $25K difference...I have seen two Ruf 550s trap 127, suggesting that 550 is the minimum being produced.

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May 13, 2009 6:37:25 AM

hugo: Pilot; Loc: Ro , Romania; Posts: 369, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 4, 2007; Reply to: bbywu

Re: 997tt with RUF 600 package???

def worth $ it

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May 13, 2009 10:55:45 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59193, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: hugo

Re: 997tt with RUF 600 package???

Guys, here is a little advice:

1. go for the 550 HP kit if you still worry about your warranty and/or want to have a reliable car, especially if you love to drive it on the track and/or hard

2. go for at least for a 650 HP kit if you want to have REAL power and a substantial performance increase, make sure that it is done properly (by any of the well known "quality" tuners)

RUF offers a very good quality and an excellent service. Their prices are usually a little bit higher but worth every cent, especially if you have problems with the tuning.

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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, Cayenne Turbo S, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW

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May 13, 2009 11:05:27 AM

Alex_997TT: Rennteam Master; Loc: Reading , United Kingdom; Posts: 3320, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 20, 2005; Reply to: RC

Re: 997tt with RUF 600 package???

My rear tyres really struggle to put down 544PS/800Nm on dry tarmac in a straight line in 3rd gear! I know Toby thinks I probably have about 765Nm (as I don't get clutch slippage) but even so, I seriously don't see the point of more than a Ruf 550 kit unless you track the car A LOT and need more 4th, 5th, 6th gear power.

Bear in mind though the recent threads about lower octane fuel. These European tuner kits are designed to run on at least 98RON petrol. Putting in less will decrease your horsepower and maybe damage your engine.

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May 13, 2009 11:24:13 AM

TB993tt: Rennteam Pro; Loc: manchester , United Kingdom; Posts: 2264, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 22, 2002; Reply to: Alex_997TT

Re: 997tt with RUF 600 package???

Alex_997TT:

My rear tyres really struggle to put down 544PS/800Nm on dry tarmac in a straight line in 3rd gear! I know Toby thinks I probably have about 765Nm (as I don't get clutch slippage) but even so, I seriously don't see the point of more than a Ruf 550 kit unless you track the car A LOT and need more 4th, 5th, 6th gear power.

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I agree entirely with you Alex, over 550hp/7XXNM is wasted anywhere else but Germany where you can use the higher gears - up to 200kph there is very little difference between a 550PS VTG car and a 630PS VTG car and despite counter claims I still reckon a 630PS car with the larger compressor wheel is not going to have the instant response of the smaller stock turbos (both for 997tt and GT2)

This is the main reason why I am staying with stock VTGs and limiting to 600PS/787NM and just enhancing it with advanced intercooling.....

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2009 997 GT2 RS Tuning 542PS/736NM

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May 13, 2009 2:04:12 PM

hugo: Pilot; Loc: Ro , Romania; Posts: 369, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 4, 2007; Reply to: TB993tt

Re: 997tt with RUF 600 package???

I haven't driven the 550 but the 600 was sweet smooth and fast,could not keep up with the Rt12's though

As far as guarantee goes,you get Ruf guarantee and for my experience Rufs are much more reliable and use far less oil than unmodified turbos

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May 16, 2009 12:07:35 AM

TT Gasman: Co-Pilot; Loc: Texas , United States; Posts: 241, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 18, 2002; Reply to: hugo

Re: 997tt with RUF 600 package???

My Ruf 550 R-Turbo is awesome, very easy to drive daily and a complete monster when the throttle is applied. I love it!

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Doug

Houston, Texas USA

997TT ...RUF550

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May 16, 2009 6:39:44 PM

porschephile1: Junior; Loc: Texas , United States; Posts: 65, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 23, 2009; Reply to: TT Gasman

Re: 997tt with RUF 600 package???

TT Gasman:

My Ruf 550 R-Turbo is awesome, very easy to drive daily and a complete monster when the throttle is applied. I love it!

Gasman,

Have you had the opportunity to run your Ruf on 60-130 or quarter mile?

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May 22, 2009 3:13:55 AM

TT Gasman: Co-Pilot; Loc: Texas , United States; Posts: 241, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 18, 2002; Reply to: porschephile1

Re: 997tt with RUF 600 package???

Not yet, I'll keep you posted.

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Doug

Houston, Texas USA

997TT ...RUF550

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May 22, 2009 4:59:19 PM

TTurbine: Junior; Loc: Doha , Qatar; Posts: 136, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 27, 2006; Reply to: TT Gasman

Re: 997tt with RUF 600 package???

Gasman , i heard you tried sevral packages before you went to Ruf , how is the Ruf conversion versus your other kits? Smiley

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May 22, 2009 5:26:50 PM

artur777: Senior; Loc: Europe , Russia; Posts: 774, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 8, 2008; Reply to: TTurbine

Re: 997tt with RUF 600 package???

is RUF the best quality Porsche tuner?

How is Cargraphic near it?

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May 22, 2009 6:25:11 PM

andrea: Rennteam Master; Loc: Italy, Pordenone , Italy; Posts: 3569, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 24, 2003; Reply to: artur777

Re: 997tt with RUF 600 package???

artur777:

is RUF the best quality Porsche tuner?

How is Cargraphic near it?

also Manthey, Oakley Design. Rs Tuning is the best tuner for turbo engine (via cargraphic)

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Dedi La vita è troppo corta per non guidare italiano.....

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May 24, 2009 4:29:53 AM

TT Gasman: Co-Pilot; Loc: Texas , United States; Posts: 241, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 18, 2002; Reply to: TTurbine

Re: 997tt with RUF 600 package???

TTurbine:

Gasman , i heard you tried sevral packages before you went to Ruf , how is the Ruf conversion versus your other kits?

I had a GIAC flash on the car for a few months, I am so much happier with the Ruf. Just leave it at that. I have also driven a car with the PES flash, which produces tons of TQ and makes for a very fast turbo. The Ruf has similar TQ characteristics and more, as it carries the power all the way to redline. The ruf feels faster than any of the other combos I have tried.

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Doug

Houston, Texas USA

997TT ...RUF550

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May 24, 2009 4:33:13 AM

TT Gasman: Co-Pilot; Loc: Texas , United States; Posts: 241, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 18, 2002; Reply to: TT Gasman

Re: 997tt with RUF 600 package???

As to quality tuners : Ruf, Manthey, RS, 9FF in no particular order. All are expensive, I am partial to Ruf, but you get what you pay for IMO.

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Doug

Houston, Texas USA

997TT ...RUF550

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May 25, 2009 7:04:39 AM

andrea: Rennteam Master; Loc: Italy, Pordenone , Italy; Posts: 3569, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 24, 2003; Reply to: TT Gasman

Re: 997tt with RUF 600 package???

TT Gasman:

As to quality tuners : Ruf, Manthey, RS, 9FF in no particular order. All are expensive, I am partial to Ruf, but you get what you pay for IMO.

I have no info about how good is 9ff.... really on pair with rs tuning-ruf-manthey?

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Dedi La vita è troppo corta per non guidare italiano.....

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May 25, 2009 11:22:43 PM

bbywu: Junior; Loc: WI , United States; Posts: 88, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 24, 2006; Reply to: andrea

Re: 997tt with RUF 600 package???

I joined Doug and worship at the Temple of Alois... :)

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May 26, 2009 7:11:53 PM

TT Gasman: Co-Pilot; Loc: Texas , United States; Posts: 241, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 18, 2002; Reply to: andrea

Re: 997tt with RUF 600 package???

andrea:

TT Gasman:

As to quality tuners : Ruf, Manthey, RS, 9FF in no particular order. All are expensive, I am partial to Ruf, but you get what you pay for IMO.

I have no info about how good is 9ff.... really on pair with rs tuning-ruf-manthey?

I threw that in because didn't the guy who started 9ff work for Ruf at some point? So +/- on 9ff, but Ruf, Manthey and RS are the stand outs.

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Doug

Houston, Texas USA

997TT ...RUF550

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May 28, 2009 5:26:19 PM

Alcyon: Junior; Loc: Madrid , Spain; Posts: 83, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 12, 2005; Reply to: TT Gasman

Re: 997tt with RUF 600 package???

Here is a short vid of my 997 550 Ruf in action at Valencia circuit (Spain). At the beginning of the straight I was behind all the pack. Volume up & enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GWfx1h-8Do

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May 29, 2009 5:27:58 AM

Eunice: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Karlsruhe , Germany; Posts: 6155, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 27, 2008; Reply to: Alcyon

May 29, 2009 9:05:57 AM

BjoernB: Rennteam Master; Loc: Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 4097, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 19, 2004; Reply to: Eunice

Re: 997tt with RUF 600 package???

Great video - any inside ones....?

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May 29, 2009 10:16:28 AM

Alcyon: Junior; Loc: Madrid , Spain; Posts: 83, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 12, 2005; Reply to: BjoernB

Re: 997tt with RUF 600 package???

Thanks, in a week I will ride at Cartagena circuit and make some vids from inside ;)

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Nov 19, 2009 11:56:17 PM

bbywu: Junior; Loc: WI , United States; Posts: 88, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 24, 2006; Reply to: Alcyon

Re: 997tt with RUF 600 package???

I'm resurrecting this thread in light of the discussion about the MK2 997TT. Has anyone noticed something out of place? Take a look at the 80-120 km/h run in 5th gear. Gear ratio for the previous review of the MK1 997TT is identical, clearly different for MK2. We find the following:

MK1 997TT 80-120 km/h 5th gear - 3.7 seconds

MK2 997TT 80-120 km/h 5th gear - 3.8 seconds

MK1 997TT Ruf 600 80-120 km/h 5th gear - 4.4 seconds

Testing conditions unclear...first two numbers from AMS, Ruf 600 from Auto Bild...can testing leave you with a huge 0.7 second difference? Any thoughts?

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Nov 20, 2009 11:09:58 AM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: bbywu

Re: 997tt with RUF 600 package???

bbywu:

I'm resurrecting this thread in light of the discussion about the MK2 997TT. Has anyone noticed something out of place? Take a look at the 80-120 km/h run in 5th gear. Gear ratio for the previous review of the MK1 997TT is identical, clearly different for MK2. We find the following:

MK1 997TT 80-120 km/h 5th gear - 3.7 seconds

MK2 997TT 80-120 km/h 5th gear - 3.8 seconds

MK1 997TT Ruf 600 80-120 km/h 5th gear - 4.4 seconds

Testing conditions unclear...first two numbers from AMS, Ruf 600 from Auto Bild...can testing leave you with a huge 0.7 second difference? Any thoughts?

Regarding the Ruf 600 figures: more turbo lag... 80 kph in 5th is sub-optimal for full acceleration, the Ruf 600 package takes more time to build up boost pressure, I would guess.

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Nov 20, 2009 11:49:55 AM

TB993tt: Rennteam Pro; Loc: manchester , United Kingdom; Posts: 2264, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 22, 2002; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: 997tt with RUF 600 package???

Has to be the bigger VTGs on the Ruf 600 package spooling up slower, 80kph in 5th is about 2100rpm on the 997tt so a bigger compressor wheel probably takes fractionally longer to spool up...

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2009 997 GT2 659PS/827NM DIN

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Nov 20, 2009 2:27:52 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59193, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: artur777

Re: 997tt with RUF 600 package???

artur777:

is RUF the best quality Porsche tuner?

How is Cargraphic near it?

I'd say that RUF has the best combo of quality, reliability and service.

Manthey is also very good, Techart also delivers a decent work and good service.

All the others play in a different league in my opinion.

Keep in mind that I'm talking about GERMAN tuners only.

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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, Cayenne Turbo S, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW

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