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    Porsche is right. Sport cars

    are impractical.

    Several times now I have had my 430 Spider out looking for opportunities to give it the "exercise" it needs and was built for. Sadly, not once have I been able to do so. Either there was too much traffic, the situation unsafe or high a monitoring area. It really is exasperating.

    I do not want to spend my time looking for new venues hoping to have that one minute of freedom to really let it go. Thankfully, the 430 is enjoyable at any speed but that is like have a lot of foreplay but no consumnation. I guess I will go a take a cold shower.

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    Track day?

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    It's probably more "fun" in non-track situations to drive something like a Miata at 5-7/10ths than a Ferrari ,Porsche Turbo or Z06 at 2/10ths keeping the same pace . At least the Ferrari still gives tactile/aural thrills at 35 mph , but that's small consolation.

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    welcome to the 21st century, gentlemen

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    All depends on your risk/reward sweet spot for sportscars.

    I'd never go to track b/c: don't know of any tracks within 20-30 mins of a first-tier med ctr, like Stanford/UCLA, if accid occurs; and, unless one can rent out track for self and very lim set of known pals, assume massive litigation risk from fellow drivers/everyone else@track if anything goes wrong and you're deemed to have relatively deep pockets....

    IMO, speeds over 120MPH become boring real fast, and the risk/reward trade-off vs other sloppy drivers doesn't work for me anyway, even if US had derestricted fwys....and as an admitted workaholic I become queasy more than 50mis outside major urban regions anyway...

    Within 30-45 mins of SF's fin dt, I'm able to satisfy my needs for high-speed fwy driving and mtn twisties enjoyment on wkend AM's....all within easy strike range of StanfordMedCtr if the unavoidable happens...and within easy strike range of my SF office/home...and w/a reliably outstanding dinner at my favorite haunts in SF to finish the day (after a few yrs in SF/NYC, it's hard to deal w/the grub in most other towns aside from LV, Chic or Paris)....

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    VKSF said:
    All depends on your risk/reward sweet spot for sportscars.

    I'd never go to track b/c: don't know of any tracks within 20-30 mins of a first-tier med ctr, like Stanford/UCLA, if accid occurs;:!



    I'd take SFGH's Trauma Center ( a UCSF teaching hospital ) for trauma ANY time over Stanford . I could tell you lots of stories about the inner workings ( or lack thereof) of Stanford Medical Center that would send shivers down your spine . UCSF Medical Center / SFGH ( the Mission barrio ) being farther away is a drawback to my living in Palo Alto !
    And down in LA, County/USC ( East LA barrio ) is the place to be taken with major trauma, not UCLA.
    Basic rule : the leafier the surroundings of a major medical center ( Stanford = Palo Alto/Woodside/Atherton ; UCLA = BelAir/Beverly Hills/Brentwood ) , the less practiced the trauma teams .

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    MKW said:
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    VKSF said:
    All depends on your risk/reward sweet spot for sportscars.

    I'd never go to track b/c: don't know of any tracks within 20-30 mins of a first-tier med ctr, like Stanford/UCLA, if accid occurs;:!



    I'd take SFGH's Trauma Center ( a UCSF teaching hospital ) for trauma ANY time over Stanford . I could tell you lots of stories about the inner workings ( or lack thereof) of Stanford Medical Center that would send shivers down your spine . UCSF Medical Center / SFGH ( the Mission barrio ) being farther away is a drawback to my living in Palo Alto !
    And down in LA, County/USC ( East LA barrio ) is the place to be taken with major trauma, not UCLA.
    Basic rule : the leafier the surroundings of a major medical center ( Stanford = Palo Alto/Woodside/Atherton ; UCLA = BelAir/Beverly Hills/Brentwood ) , the less practiced the trauma teams .




    Fair points, MKW...I agree w/you: nearby "gun and knife clubs" provide much better practice for inner-city trauma ctrs .... However, I suspect the closest trauma ctrs...or rather nearest alleged hospitals...to most tracks are a lot worse than those @Stanford/UCLA....

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    nberry said:
    are impractical.

    Several times now I have had my 430 Spider out looking for opportunities to give it the "exercise" it needs and was built for. Sadly, not once have I been able to do so. Either there was too much traffic, the situation unsafe or high a monitoring area. It really is exasperating.

    I do not want to spend my time looking for new venues hoping to have that one minute of freedom to really let it go. Thankfully, the 430 is enjoyable at any speed but that is like have a lot of foreplay but no consumnation. I guess I will go a take a cold shower.



    Such performance and its temptation make little sense in the US. Its sad. You will never get to really drive it, even at the 100mph pace of a 1400cc Opel, for even a few minutes without fear of incarceration, loss of license etc. Oh well, at least you bought it well .

    For treatment, I suggest monthly weekend flights to Frankfurt for a 997 rental. Head West, then turnaround before getting to the slow and cop infested highways of Belgium.


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    Gentlemen please...let's not compare the relative merits/demerits of various hospitals like picking which item to have off the menu. It's bad luck and depressingly morbid!

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    JimFlat6 said:
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    nberry said:
    are impractical.

    Several times now I have had my 430 Spider out looking for opportunities to give it the "exercise" it needs and was built for. Sadly, not once have I been able to do so. Either there was too much traffic, the situation unsafe or high a monitoring area. It really is exasperating.

    I do not want to spend my time looking for new venues hoping to have that one minute of freedom to really let it go. Thankfully, the 430 is enjoyable at any speed but that is like have a lot of foreplay but no consumnation. I guess I will go a take a cold shower.



    Such performance and its temptation make little sense in the US. Its sad. You will never get to really drive it, even at the 100mph pace of a 1400cc Opel, for even a few minutes without fear of incarceration, loss of license etc. Oh well, at least you bought it well .

    For treatment, I suggest monthly weekend flights to Frankfurt for a 997 rental. Head West, then turnaround before getting to the slow and cop infested highways of Belgium.






    I would not go west towards belgium, I'd go directly south to a little town called nurburg.

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    Most if not all track clubs have emergency EMT and or Helicopters waiting by. That is a strange reason not to take your car to the track. I understand you have to be smart and safe, but you can't live life in a bottle? Just use proper caution and adult judgement when you go to the track. Drive your car at YOUR skill level, not it's skill level and you will be fine. I have been tracking my car for 6 years with over 200 events and thank God, no big problems. But I also have the full protectve gear, including harness, race suit, helmet, Hans, roll bar, you name it. I actually feel MUCH safer on a road course doing 120mph, then driving 70mph on the highway only feet from other cars and inexperienced drivers. At least at the track everyone, is in a highetened sense. It's not a bunch of lunatics driving as fast as they can. It is very controlled with instructors. I think you have the wrong perception of a track event, and the reality is that they are very safe. In fact there are probably 1000 times the amount of people killed on the roads you travel on vs at track events. It sort of like flying, when something really bad happens, it's really bad, but that is VERY RARE. In 6 years at over 200 events, I have never seen anyone needing medical attention. As long as people continue to use their head and RESPECT their cars, it will stay this way, or the instructors will kick you out.

    Do yourself a favor and be safe...take it OFF the street and onto a track where you have trainned instruction. The things you learn at the track WILL save your life on the street.

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    I have to agree that a track makes waayyy more sense to me for a place to "exercise" these cars. I can enjoy legal-speed drives on nice country roads, but there is no way I can justify exploring the potential of even my lowly 944S on public roads. It's just too dangerous for me and everyone else, no matter how good the local trauma centers are.

    Nick is right, the power and performance capability of cars today (and not just sports cars) is way beyond what can be used on a road. I have a friend that has a 1979 MGB that is actually a lot of fun, because driving 100 km/h on the highway in that thing feels a heckuva lot faster than 130 km/h in my WRX (never mind some to the amazing cars you guys drive...).

    DE, autocross, go-karts etc. is where it's at.

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    I know exactly how you feel buddy ...
    Most times when i feel like stretching the my GT3's legs, soething always happens that prevents me from doing so... Whether its sudden rain or traffic or whatever... Irratating.

     
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