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    Re: Maserati MC20

    RC:
    Gnil:
    RC:

    I do not see any resemblance with the Alpine. 👀

    It was the first impression from the photos. It is the global proportions and lines.

    These last photos are much better and make it looks more like a Maserati .

    Generally, I don't see where that car fits in. Maybe only for the hard core Maserati fans.

    The car looks, in my opinion, fantastic. I'm not a fan of the V6 Biturbo but I think we all know that this is the way almost all manufacturers are going to go for the next foreseeable future. 

    Where does it fit in? Depends on the pricing. If Maserati thinks they can sell this thing for over 200k, I think they are very wrong. The F8 Tributo is at least one performance category above the MC20 and the Huracan Evo may not be a bargain but at least it is, very likely, the last V10 and has a n/a engine.

    This means that the only way Maserati can successfully sell this thing is for a base price starting at around 160-180k EUR (incl. VAT) in Europe. Also, I see huge(!) potential on the used car market, if the MC20 cannot hold it's value. A low mileage MC20 for under 150k could really be something worth looking for.

    I think the doors were a mistake though, they add weight and cost. 

    The Alfa Romeo 4C failed because it wasn't neither fish nor meat as we say here. The price tag was OK but the car lacked refinement and power. The MC20 is a number bigger and definitely not underpowered (even though in the world of supercars, 630 hp is more on the lower end) and I even think that the refinement (chassis, engine, etc.) is there but the price tag cannot be too high and this is where Maserati will clearly fail. Instead of offering an alternative to the Grand Turismo, they seem to position the MC20 above the GT, which in my opinion is a mistake. Maserati is not Ferrari and if I had to choose between the MC20 and the F8 Tributo, I clearly know where my choice would be.

    I am no marketing expert and I do not know how Maserati customers think and choose their cars, so maybe Maserati knows what they're doing but in my opinion, the MC20 is a product nobody asked for and this makes it difficult to sell. With over 700 hp and a weight below 1400 kg, this car would have been a no-brainer at slightly over 200k but like this? Nope. Never. Ever.

     


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    I am also having a hard time to imagine who could buy it. It is a compromise. But a compromise for approx 200k Euro. Who needs that Smiley


    Re: Maserati MC20

    I like the MC20 a lot, honestly but I do not see anyone buying this thing for over 200k. Smiley

    If they made it limited and lighter, maybe. Smiley

    For me, the right pricing for this car is around 160-170k, maybe even 180k. Thats it. Looking at the former GT pricing though, I think the MC20 will be over 200k. Big mistake but what do I know?! Smiley

    Could be a great offer as a used car though... Smiley


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    Re: Maserati MC20

    I was hoping for something MC12:ish


    Re: Maserati MC20

    And where would they sell such a high end car? 🤷🏼‍♂️ My local Alfa showrooms are a mess...


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    Re: Maserati MC20

    If they can't do a car like this and make it competitive they shouldn't of bothered to do it in the first place, don't see who is going to pay that money for this car with the other options available in the market.


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    Re: Maserati MC20

    spudgun:

    And where would they sell such a high end car? 🤷🏼‍♂️ My local Alfa showrooms are a mess...

    My Maserati dealer is actually not bad at all, showroom is nice, service seems to be great. Former Porsche dealer, also a personal friend. He also owns an Aston Martin dealership.

    I think that the MC20 has really a chance to make a dent into the supercar world but only if they price it right, I have to say it over and over again. 

    Maserati is not Ferrari...not even Lamborghini. Sorry to say that. Maserati is currently somewhere between Alfa Romeo and Porsche in my opinion. Smiley The MC20 could change that though.


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    Re: Maserati MC20

    RC:
    spudgun:

    And where would they sell such a high end car? 🤷🏼‍♂️ My local Alfa showrooms are a mess...

    My Maserati dealer is actually not bad at all, showroom is nice, service seems to be great. Former Porsche dealer, also a personal friend. He also owns an Aston Martin dealership.

    I think that the MC20 has really a chance to make a dent into the supercar world but only if they price it right, I have to say it over and over again. 

    Maserati is not Ferrari...not even Lamborghini. Sorry to say that. Maserati is currently somewhere between Alfa Romeo and Porsche in my opinion. Smiley The MC20 could change that though.

    MC12 was something way above Porsche or Alfa. So there is still a possibility that they can deliver a great product but as you said; price is key!


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    Re: Maserati MC20

    Wasn't the MC-12 based on the Enzo? A modern-day MC-12 should be based on the Larifari based on that assumption... To me, brand image wise, Maserati is basically on par with Aston Martin; good looking Grand Tourers. Some motorsports involved, but not really sport cars. Exclusive but not on Ferrari level... I guess they should be priced accordingly. Making a truly exclusive halo car is always risky for brands like that, as you can always ask the question why someone would pay top dollar for a car that is basically still a ... (fill in the brand).


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    Re: Maserati MC20

    Gnil:
    RC:

    I do not see any resemblance with the Alpine. 👀

    It was the first impression from the photos. It is the global proportions and lines.

    These last photos are much better and make it looks more like a Maserati .

    Generally, I don't see where that car fits in. Maybe only for the hard core Maserati fans.

    Exactly!

    Does the market need another car in this mould that will cost over €200.000 and nearer €300.000 with options?

    It could play the role of a budget Ferrari if it was offered at €150.000. A kind of Italian R8 that could possibly capture a tiny share of 911 Carrera sales because of its style and relative rarity.

     


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    Re: Maserati MC20

    reginos:
    It could play the role of a budget Ferrari if it was offered at €150.000. A kind of Italian R8 that could possibly capture a tiny share of 911 Carrera sales because of its style and relative rarity.

    Agreed but I'm afraid... Smiley 


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    Re: Maserati MC20

    The price starts at €187,230 delivery quarter 2021.


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    Re: Maserati MC20

    nberry:

    The price starts at €187,230 delivery quarter 2021.


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    A good memory is fine but the ability to forget is the one true test of greatness.

     

    Incl. VAT?


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    Re: Maserati MC20

    In the UK the MC20 will be priced at £187.000 incl. VAT (€203.000)

    By comparison the Evo RWD and the McLaren GT are both more than £20.000 cheaper.

    The imperious 911 Turbo S looks like a bargain at £156.000

    This narrow supersports market segment is really congested and very contested for superiority.


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    Re: Maserati MC20

    reginos:

    In the UK the MC20 will be priced at £187.000 incl. VAT (€203.000)

    Then the US price of $210k (without tax) is relatively fair (often Italian cars are priced relatively higher here).


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    Re: Maserati MC20


    Re: Maserati MC20

    Grant:
    reginos:

    In the UK the MC20 will be priced at £187.000 incl. VAT (€203.000)

    Then the US price of $210k (without tax) is relatively fair (often Italian cars are priced relatively higher here).

    For a tarted up Alfa-Romeo 4c?


    Re: Maserati MC20

    The MC20 looks beautiful in this pic in my opinion but I can't help it, I see the F8 Tributo...a little bit. angry

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    If the MC20 would be priced slightly above 911 Turbo (not Turbo S) level, I think it would be OK. Over 200k EUR? Nope. No way they are going to sell many of these cars. Not with this engine and weight. Not with an unlimited production car. Not a chance.


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    Re: Maserati MC20

    the new mclaren S570 replacement at a lower price will make the MC20 redundant if you ask me....


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    Re: Maserati MC20

    EnglishManInNY:

    the new mclaren S570 replacement at a lower price will make the MC20 redundant if you ask me....

    In the US, I expect them to be priced very closely.


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    Re: Maserati MC20

    Sound seems to be good in the video but I am curious if the car gets a PF and if the car in the video has one (I kind of doubt it, the sound is not muffled enough).


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    Re: Maserati MC20

    Sounds like this V6 has a very high inertia (opposite of Carrera GT engine).  It takes forever to drop down in revs.  V6 engines are subject to a primary imbalance.   Flat-six engines do not experience this imbalance.

    Not ideal for a sports car.

    993 engine sounds much better.


    Re: Maserati MC20

    Has dual plugs. Pre and go. The designer is 6 foot 7 so it has headroom in spades.


    Re: Maserati MC20

    Jean:

    Sounds like this V6 has a very high inertia (opposite of Carrera GT engine).  It takes forever to drop down in revs.  V6 engines are subject to a primary imbalance.   Flat-six engines do not experience this imbalance.

    Not ideal for a sports car.

    993 engine sounds much better.

    Hope they have a lighter flywheel in production version (that was very lazy)


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    Re: Maserati MC20

    Jean:

    Sounds like this V6 has a very high inertia (opposite of Carrera GT engine).  It takes forever to drop down in revs.  V6 engines are subject to a primary imbalance.   Flat-six engines do not experience this imbalance.

    Not ideal for a sports car.

    993 engine sounds much better.

     

    Actually it's more like a modern engine trait. The word is rev hang.

    Car makers intentionally let the rev "hang" up there for a bit. It's for emission and fuel economy. Our Porsches do that too. 

     

     


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    Re: Maserati MC20

    Porsche 911 turbo S 650 hp 0-100 2.8 0-200 8.9 1750 kg costs Euro 225k in Italy

    Mc 20 630 hp 0-100 2.9 0-200 8.8 1500kg cost in Italy 200k( seems like from the newspapers today)

    I think all the sportcars are not so much faster than a 911 turbo, maybe a little bit but you need to pay much more.

    So having a Mc 20 mid engine, 250 kg less and costs ca 25k less is to close to a porsche, i agree that the price should be around 180, there it should be able to have the buy factor.

    With a Mc 20 you get something more sofisticated in technology, engine mechanical layout etc...but it is not a porsche or a Ferrari.

    I like the car, not much wow factor on the outside and it lacks a little bit of class , but a very nice car.


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    Re: Maserati MC20

    I love it. When its reasonable priced I might consider one to complement the 720s.


    Re: Maserati MC20

    I'm afraid the pricing of the MC20 is totally wrong. surprise Reasonably priced looks different in my opinion.

    First cars will be delivered next year around March, so the price tag in Germany (with 19% VAT...2021), is 210630 EUR.

    Add the absolutely necessary (ceramic brakes, electronic lock differential and lift) to the car and you end up at a whopping 228480 EUR. Ouch.

    Sorry but I do not see how this car will sell at this price.

    Base price of the F8 Tributo in Germany is also around 228k EUR. Who in his right mind would get the MC20 instead?

    Like I said before, I see an interesting second hand market here.

     


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    Re: Maserati MC20

     


    Re: Maserati MC20

    Those yellow pics really make it look good. I'm with RC on this one, seems it's priced high compared to the competition. If history (for brand values) is any indicator it will be a very good second hand buy in three years or so.


     
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