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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    GT3ZZZ:
    frayed:

    I liked his answers.  Not that I had serious reservations about the new metal, but the manual issue integrated with the ediff makes sense.

    So if the manual devotees hate the new car and there is a notable sales opportunity for a slower GT3 with a manual and an inferior diff, then it sounds like porsche will build it.

    Based on what I've read on this forum, it seems this would be primarily a US spec car as the Europeans and perhas all ROW are more comfortable with the concept of PDK.  Maybe they can build the car with a special logo or something with the American flag, or something more clever. . . can't think right now.

    +1. No-one in Europe gives a stuff for the manual apart from a very very small number of geeks. Most small/mid size cars that 'normals' drive are manual.

    Bu then tell me why Porsche sold from 1999-2012 only manual GT3s?Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    They wouldn't put a Tiptronic on the GT3. Not suitable. The PDK came too late in the life cycle of 997 GT3 (MY2009) to justify the required investment to match the modern transmission to the Mezger engine, which was scheduled  for replacement a few years later, anyway.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    GTlover:
    GT3ZZZ:
    frayed:

    I liked his answers.  Not that I had serious reservations about the new metal, but the manual issue integrated with the ediff makes sense.

    So if the manual devotees hate the new car and there is a notable sales opportunity for a slower GT3 with a manual and an inferior diff, then it sounds like porsche will build it.

    Based on what I've read on this forum, it seems this would be primarily a US spec car as the Europeans and perhas all ROW are more comfortable with the concept of PDK.  Maybe they can build the car with a special logo or something with the American flag, or something more clever. . . can't think right now.

    +1. No-one in Europe gives a stuff for the manual apart from a very very small number of geeks. Most small/mid size cars that 'normals' drive are manual.

    Bu then tell me why Porsche sold from 1999-2012 only manual GT3s?Smiley

    I've followed, and participated in the manual v. PDK debate, here for some time.  One argument in support of PDK is the march of ever improving technology; anyone disagreeing with this statement is rendered a luddite.  However, consider the news Mercedes has leaked about the new S-Class and autonomous driving mode-it will happen at some time in the near future.  So, given the state of the technology and the desire to go faster than the more technology-challenged drivers, one can make the assumption that Porsche in the not-too-distant future will equip the GT3, maybe with the 991.2 variant, with an autonomous race mode to eliminate the foibles of the human driver and maximize track performance.  The technology-savvy, and well-heeled future GT3 owner. will be free to sip an Intelligentsia Latte while out-lapping the knuckle dragging driver.  


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    You are funny.Smiley

    As far as cars are concerned, it would be more engaging if we still had our horse whips and being perfumed by horses rear end. Or better yet racing in chariots behind a team of horses. That would be a lot more involving don't you think?Smiley

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    GTlover:
    bhnyc:

    To add my two cents (and trying to be pragmatic)...I Love the track, I love to push my car on the track and if that is a good use of how I spent my money is my own business.  But how often can anyone, who is not racing for a profession get to the track.  I get there 6 to 8 times when in season.  I am sure a lot of you get there many multiples of this.  But there are few people buying a GT3 who are doing 180 days plus a year.  Therefore, you are buying a car that will be driven on and off the track.  To me, the manual transmission makes, Sunday drives more engaging.  I love driving a manual and am sad by the direction all car companies are going.  The idea that I would buy a different transmission to shave seconds off my lap time is not relevant.  If ever get to a point in my career when I can do more than 30 days at a a track in a year, I will buy a cup car or a pure racer.  

    I am guessing my life style is relevant to more people on this forum than not, so it is hard to say.  Therefore, I disagree that people should say manual is an old technology because we are all trying to shave tenths of a second off our track time.  I think many of us still use our cars off the track and here the manual is more engaging for my dollar. 

    Exactly my opinion..Smiley. All this discussion about shaving a few tenth on the track, a very good race driver will destroy with a 997.2 GT3 most (and un-experienced) 991 GT3 buyers anyway. The limits of a car are mostly depending on the driver..some just believer here with PdK GT3 they are future F1 drivers.

    Your post is one of the best here for me..Smiley


    I have had 6 911 variants all with a manual, as well as a Modena 360, Evo X, various BMWs and an S2000, and tracked almost all of them.  To me, I actually look forward to the new PDK box in the GT3 for the track.  I think there was a recent quote from a pro (don't remember where I read it) that goes like this: "if you need a manual to feel connected to the car on track, then you are doing something wrong".  Freeing up 'bandwidth' to focus on the line, turn in. . . basically all driver inputs is compelling to me.

    However, I will absolutely miss the manual on the road.  That's where the extra control over the car with being able to modulate the clutch will be missed.

    I think I'm the opposite of a lot of people when it comes to this debate: manual for the street, auto for the track.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    GTlover:
    GT3ZZZ:
    frayed:

    I liked his answers.  Not that I had serious reservations about the new metal, but the manual issue integrated with the ediff makes sense.

    So if the manual devotees hate the new car and there is a notable sales opportunity for a slower GT3 with a manual and an inferior diff, then it sounds like porsche will build it.

    Based on what I've read on this forum, it seems this would be primarily a US spec car as the Europeans and perhas all ROW are more comfortable with the concept of PDK.  Maybe they can build the car with a special logo or something with the American flag, or something more clever. . . can't think right now.

    +1. No-one in Europe gives a stuff for the manual apart from a very very small number of geeks. Most small/mid size cars that 'normals' drive are manual.

    Bu then tell me why Porsche sold from 1999-2012 only manual GT3s?Smiley

     

    According to AP, its because the state of the PDK technology wasn't up to the task. . . . it didn't meet GT3 levels of performance.  Of course many argue that his statements are purely marketing, but that's the company line.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    That, Sir, is the issue: the GT3 is a bridge vehicle between a street car and a dedicated track car.  Most examples will spend more time on the streets than the race track and PDK is not a viable substitute for a race sequential gearbox.  


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    GTlover:
    All this discussion about shaving a few tenth on the track, a very good race driver will destroy with a 997.2 GT3 most (and un-experienced) 991 GT3 buyers anyway. The limits of a car are mostly depending on the driver..some just believer here with PdK GT3 they are future F1 drivers.

    Your post is one of the best here for me..Smiley

    Yes, the driver counts a lot but a good driver with PDK is almost unbeatable. You should see what those testdrivers in Weissach do with PDK in auto mode on the test track, it is impossible to follow with manual. I've also seen Walter Röhrl at an event in a 997 Turbo S with PDK and auto mode, forget about manual. No chance.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    Something I just caught up at my dealer today and he confirmed it when I asked again: First GT3 deliveries in Germany seem to start end of August, so Porsche isn't waiting for the IAA presentation, even if the GT3 will be there on display, same as new Turbo/Turbo S. Speaking of the Turbo/Turbo S: It also seems that first deliveries start early September, not late September, interesting.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    They must be having the International Press Release early then. They wouldnt allow the car to publically circulate before the international motoring press have had a few days with it at the press launch surely? I understood press launch was first week of September but they may have pushed forward to late week of August as they now also have the new Turbo to press release...


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    RC:

    Something I just caught up at my dealer today and he confirmed it when I asked again: First GT3 deliveries in Germany seem to start end of August, so Porsche isn't waiting for the IAA presentation, even if the GT3 will be there on display, same as new Turbo/Turbo S. Speaking of the Turbo/Turbo S: It also seems that first deliveries start early September, not late September, interesting.

    Aren't the factory workers on Vacation in August?Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    nberry:
    RC:

    Something I just caught up at my dealer today and he confirmed it when I asked again: First GT3 deliveries in Germany seem to start end of August, so Porsche isn't waiting for the IAA presentation, even if the GT3 will be there on display, same as new Turbo/Turbo S. Speaking of the Turbo/Turbo S: It also seems that first deliveries start early September, not late September, interesting.

    Aren't the factory workers on Vacation in August?Smiley

    Yeah...worker's paradise, right? Smiley

    Wrong. As far as I know, the production stops only for a week in August and I suppose this means early August.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    Porsche 991 GT3 at the Shanghai Auto Show 2013...

    Porsche 991 GT3 at the Shanghai Auto Show 2013 -- Article Link

    Smiley SmileySmiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    9,000RPM = drool angel


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    Lovely car. That is the silver metallic an option for about $3500.

    I wonder if instead of the GT3 center cap you can get the color Porsche crest? It would make the wheels more distinctive. 

    Sadly, I just read on another site that Porsche will not giving US dealers allocation this month. Maybe next month but no one has any idea. Like I wrote before, US market may get their first allocations for the 2015 model.indecision


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    Is that the new Rhodium Silver metallic? Doesnt look like GT silver to me.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    That car is perfection. 


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    Every time I see new GT3 images, I kind of regret not having ordered one. laugh


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    I love it but does anyone think the front end is a bit too busy, aftermarket look ?.. Maybe look better in the flesh..


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    RC:

    Every time I see new GT3 images, I kind of regret not having ordered one. laugh

    With all respect to 991 Turbo, 991 GT3 is the best looking 991 at the moment Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    Not a silver fan but godamn that is a beautiful rig!!

    Jeebus.

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    SportCarGroup:

    With all respect to 991 Turbo, 991 GT3 is the best looking 991 at the moment Smiley

    By far... just cant get over this turbo look. I really do hope the upcoming gt2 will have a simular face as the gt3.

    Just a wunderfull car, i wish he had a bit more power..


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    throt:

    I love it but does anyone think the front end is a bit too busy, aftermarket look ?.. Maybe look better in the flesh..


    My words exactly... Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    SportCarGroup:
    RC:

    Every time I see new GT3 images, I kind of regret not having ordered one. laugh

    With all respect to 991 Turbo, 991 GT3 is the best looking 991 at the moment Smiley


    Absolutely agree, despite the busy front end. Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    Dario:
    SportCarGroup:

    With all respect to 991 Turbo, 991 GT3 is the best looking 991 at the moment Smiley

    By far... just cant get over this turbo look. I really do hope the upcoming gt2 will have a simular face as the gt3.

    Just a wunderfull car, i wish he had a bit more power..


    Agree here as well. But for me the best looking 991 is the 991 Carrera S. Both, GT3 and Turbo look too busy in my eyes. And I really don't think the GT2 will do any better in this respect.

    Maybe a high-powered but discreet looking RUF Turbo will be the optimum 991... Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    Rossi:

    Maybe a high-powered but discreet looking RUF Turbo will be the optimum 991... Smiley

    Yes, and if Alois is smart, he will offer the electro-hydraulic steering from the 997 Cup as well as the G50 manual gearbox - will be easy to sell a bunch of them...


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    I am curious about the torque markings on the center-lock nut.  I know the system is new, but 100 Nm seems quite low.  Anybody know details about this??


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    RC:

    Every time I see new GT3 images, I kind of regret not having ordered one. laugh

    Yes but you ordered an incredible 911, I guess the first time you will drive it you will regret less. Smiley

    In my case the Gt3 is the first 991 that I really like and could imagine buying .


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    Im with m4ever on that above!


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    W8MM:

    I am curious about the torque markings on the center-lock nut.  I know the system is new, but 100 Nm seems quite low.  Anybody know details about this??

    What has it been in the past? 400?

    I hope they have an option for the Porsche color crest as the center cap (like the 918) instead of the GT3 logo. GT3 on all four wheels is bit too much.


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