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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    we are 15k away from half Price at a dealer ......- pretty damn Close to 50% . Bluelines even made a picture..... - however the car is sitting there already for way more than 6 month and somehow they are not going..... - for 11k km untracked that is a hefty hit in my book and since the market for Mac's is pretty small - Prices will further drop no doubt about it....


    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    where did you find this car? autoscout?


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    the cheapest I found is 209.900 € from 2014 with about 15.500 km. Listprice was aprox. 285.000 €. So in two years 75.000 € down about 26%. 

    If you are 15k far away then you have found something around 160.000 €?


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    LP is currently 215 CHF - but owner is willing to go below 200.....


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    koko:

    Aventador is much more roomier than Huracan.

    Have you sate in a Aventador or Huracan and how tall are you? At 6' 3" the Huracan is much more spacious, the centre console of the Aventador is massive compared to the Huracan.


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    ALDO:

    the cheapest I found is 209.900 € from 2014 with about 15.500 km. Listprice was aprox. 285.000 €. So in two years 75.000 € down about 26%. 

    If you are 15k far away then you have found something around 160.000 €?

    26% for a "rare" sports car in these days might be a lot - given the hype in resale values of Porsche/Ferrari cars Smiley Depreciation could be much higher when the current hype is over as - as said above - the number of buyers for McLaren cars is still comparatively small?


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    MKSGR:
    ALDO:

    the cheapest I found is 209.900 € from 2014 with about 15.500 km. Listprice was aprox. 285.000 €. So in two years 75.000 € down about 26%. 

    If you are 15k far away then you have found something around 160.000 €?

    26% for a "rare" sports car in these days might be a lot - given the hype in resale values of Porsche/Ferrari cars Smiley Depreciation could be much higher when the current hype is over as - as said above - the number of buyers for McLaren cars is still comparatively small?

    The cheapest F458 spider from 2014 is 190.000  € and the cheapest 991 turbo S cabrio is 154.900 € also from 2014. Where is any benefit to McLaren, both have suffered a larger depreciation.


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    BjoernB:

    LP is currently 215 CHF - but owner is willing to go below 200.....

    It is a coupé with only few extra options the color, lift, camera. This car was in 2014 around 235.000 €. Half the price would be 117.500 €. He asks right now 190.000 €. He must be crazy for such a car, This car should be around 140.000 €.


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    That car was new over 330 CHF - I saw the details....


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    You mean the storm grey coupé with white seats and 600 km from Schmohl?


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    no the blue one


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    Can you post the link?


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    http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/mclaren-650s-coupe-glattpark-z%C3%BCrich/219525420.html?lang=de&utm_source=DirectMail&utm_medium=textlink&utm_campaign=Recommend_DES

    I think that the LP in 2014 was about 260.000 € and now he is asking 195.500 € that is 25% less then new.  


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    with all due respect - I was reading the document locally -  and you think ? how old are we ? 15 ? I have no clue what the Prices are in Germany - but I have stated above what they are in CHF. From NP to what we could get right now we're talking 40% - that is a fact - not a thought....


    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    BjoernB:

    with all due respect - I was reading the document locally -  and you think ? how old are we ? 15 ? I have no clue what the Prices are in Germany - but I have stated above what they are in CHF. From NP to what we could get right now we're talking 40% - that is a fact - not a thought....

    in 2014 for 1 EUR you got 1,25 CHF 

    330.000 CHF/1,25 = 264.000 € - we are not far away, or??

    Now he is asking 190.000 € on mobile.de that are 210.000 chf right now. We have now 1 EUR = 1,10 CHF.

    190.000/264.000=0,72 == 72% - calculated in EUR

    If you calculate it in CHF, 210.000/330.000 = 0,64 == 64 % - but we had a valuta change of 14% in this time.

    So I didn´t say anything  opposite to you, or did I??
    For me who is buying with EUR and who compares to other cars which are offered in EUR he has lost 28% in this two years. 


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    Dumb question: What about taxes and VAT if you buy a car in Switzerland as an EU citizen (sorry, never did that, so I have no clue)? Not really worth it I'm afraid.


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    RC:

    Dumb question: What about taxes and VAT if you buy a car in Switzerland as an EU citizen (sorry, never did that, so I have no clue)? Not really worth it I'm afraid.

    I have lived their for few years and had the same question in my mind. I think you have to pay here the VAT on the deducted price. You need to have a document URSPRUNGSERKLÄRUNG or EUR.1 if you don´t have this then you have to pay custom duties 10%, too.


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    Do you think you will find the cars in CH cheaper then here? They have only 8% VAT and a higher purchasing power. 


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    Italo:
    koko:

    Aventador is much more roomier than Huracan.

    Have you sate in a Aventador or Huracan and how tall are you? At 6' 3" the Huracan is much more spacious, the centre console of the Aventador is massive compared to the Huracan.

    I´m 1,92mts and my head was touching the roof liner on the Huracan Smiley The Aventador was much more spacious, larger and taller inside than Huracan, you really feel a difference. 


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    J.Seven:
    Italo:
    koko:

    Aventador is much more roomier than Huracan.

    Have you sate in a Aventador or Huracan and how tall are you? At 6' 3" the Huracan is much more spacious, the centre console of the Aventador is massive compared to the Huracan.

    I´m 1,92mts and my head was touching the roof liner on the Huracan Smiley The Aventador was much more spacious, larger and taller inside than Huracan, you really feel a difference. 

    You must have sat in a Gallardo thinking  it was a Huracan. I have driven both, the Huracan is roomier !

    These are dimensions taken from the Lamborghini site, check the overall height difference Smiley

    Aventador

    DIMENSIONS

    Wheelbase:2,700 mm (106.30 in)

    Overall length:4,780 mm (188.19 in)

    Overall width (excluding mirrors):2,030 mm (79.92 in)

    Overall width (including mirrors):2,265 mm (89.17 in)

    Overall height:1,136 mm (44.72 in)

    Front track:1,720 mm (67.72 in)

    Rear track:1,700 mm (66.93 in)

    Dry weight:1,575 kg (3,472 lb)

    Weight/Power ratio:2.25 kg/CV (4.96 lb/CV)

    Weight distribution (front - rear):43 % - 57 %

    Huracan

    DIMENSION

    Wheelbase:2,620 mm (103.15 in)

    Overall length:4,459 mm (175.55 in)

    Overall width (excluding mirrors):1,924 mm (75.75 in)

    Overall width (including mirrors):2,236 mm (88.03 in)

    Overall height:1,165 mm (45.87 in)

    Front track:1,668 mm (65.67 in)

    Rear track:1,620 mm (63.78 in)

    Dry weight:1,422 kg (3,135 lb)

    Weight/Power ratio:2.33 kg/CV (5.14 lb/CV)

     


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    External dimensions are not necessarily rapresentative of interior space. At 192cm myself I could not get comfortable in the Huracan either. Taller drivers would probably benefit from carbon race seats to sit lower to the ground; not sure if these are available as on option on the huracan.


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    they are but horribly uncomfortable compared to Porsche


    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    Italo:
    J.Seven:
    Italo:
    koko:

    Aventador is much more roomier than Huracan.

    Have you sate in a Aventador or Huracan and how tall are you? At 6' 3" the Huracan is much more spacious, the centre console of the Aventador is massive compared to the Huracan.

    I´m 1,92mts and my head was touching the roof liner on the Huracan Smiley The Aventador was much more spacious, larger and taller inside than Huracan, you really feel a difference. 

    You must have sat in a Gallardo thinking  it was a Huracan. I have driven both, the Huracan is roomier !

    These are dimensions taken from the Lamborghini site, check the overall height difference Smiley

    Aventador

    DIMENSIONS

    Wheelbase:2,700 mm (106.30 in)

    Overall length:4,780 mm (188.19 in)

    Overall width (excluding mirrors):2,030 mm (79.92 in)

    Overall width (including mirrors):2,265 mm (89.17 in)

    Overall height:1,136 mm (44.72 in)

    Front track:1,720 mm (67.72 in)

    Rear track:1,700 mm (66.93 in)

    Dry weight:1,575 kg (3,472 lb)

    Weight/Power ratio:2.25 kg/CV (4.96 lb/CV)

    Weight distribution (front - rear):43 % - 57 %

    Huracan

    DIMENSION

    Wheelbase:2,620 mm (103.15 in)

    Overall length:4,459 mm (175.55 in)

    Overall width (excluding mirrors):1,924 mm (75.75 in)

    Overall width (including mirrors):2,236 mm (88.03 in)

    Overall height:1,165 mm (45.87 in)

    Front track:1,668 mm (65.67 in)

    Rear track:1,620 mm (63.78 in)

    Dry weight:1,422 kg (3,135 lb)

    Weight/Power ratio:2.33 kg/CV (5.14 lb/CV)

     

    What a nice Gallardo Smiley

    In march 2014 I was at Huracan presentation is Geneva auto show, could seat in both one after another and that was my feeling, Aventador is roomier no doubt about it.


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    Was the power on in the Huracan you sat in to allow you to adjust the seat and steering wheel? From that photo you look to be sitting somewhat upright suggesting the seat wasn't adjusted. It usually isn't possible to adjust the seats on cars at auto shows. I'm around 191 cms and have no issue with room in my Huracan with the normal electric seats. I've also tried the Aventador but like Italo found it much more cramped. Most guys on the Lamborghini forums who've owned both agree the Huracan is the more spacious interior but everyone's impression can be different due to length of body vs length of leg etc. The steep rake of the windscreen and shallow side windows give an impression of the interior being small but once you have adjusted the seat and wheel and driven the car for more than 5 minutes you quickly get used to this. For me this is what makes the Lamborghini feel much more exotic to sit in than my previous 458's which feel much more like "normal" cars in comparsion.

     

     


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    I had a long conversation with the Lambo rep there and , yes, the seat was in the lower position and he said they coundn´t do anything about it. Still I could feet inside and it wasn´t a reason not to own the car if that was the case. I found the Aventador to be larger and taller. I then was able to drive the Aventador  and there was space enought to be comfortable. Never drove a Huracan.


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    @ J.Seven, kiss


    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    Perhaps some of you just have longer legs vs longer torsos. 


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    noone1:

    Perhaps some of you just have longer legs vs longer torsos. 

    absolutely, bunch of aliens if you ask me....zaap them out !!!!


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    Already ?

    Meet the McLaren 570S Monaco GP Edition

    http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/GTspirit/~3/Zi8qtZAZL9s/


    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    sales must be really bad....


     
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