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    Driving the 997 in the damp and rain...

    So far, I've had 2 "moments" in my car where the rear has let go - Once when I was trying to find the point where the PSM cut in, and the other accelerating slightly too hard from an intersection in the wet. Not a problem but I have a lot of respect for the weight in the rear.

    I feel the 997 handles wet roads well, and is not dangerous if you drive smoothly. It's the roads where the surface changes that I respect the most, ie a damp patch mid corner is much worse than driving the same road in the rain. Driving a car with 50:50 weight distribution would not require the same concentration, IMO.

    Would those experienced at driving 911s care to share their thoughts and experiences with us newbies? Would you tell us about the times and circumstances where you may have been caught out, or at least surprised...

    Re: Driving the 997 in the damp and rain...

    What is the weight distribution of the Carrera?

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    It doesn't rain often here, it's 85% sunny throughout the whole year, so I guess I don't have to worry about that problem

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    Niko said:
    What is the weight distribution of the Carrera?



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    Re: Driving the 997 in the damp and rain...

    If you have PSM on it is damn hard to crash the thing. You can abuse the car totally in the wet and it will simply keep you on the straight and narrow. On my first trackday with the car in the wet I tried my utmost to spin the bugger but it just won't spin assuming you don't just enter a corner at 20mph too fast and run out of room.

    It is an entirely different story though if you turn PSM off. The car is naturally quite an understeerer particularly in fast corners. The best method is to actually enter a corner and on a light or trailing throttle to try and get some from end grip. Gradually accelerate once the front is settled and feel the weight of the steering before deciding how much you want the rear to come out. You need to be fairly confident and experienced at this point because this car loves to go very sideways once the rear gives up traction. I find the best way of controlling this is to let the steering slip out of your hands and spin to its natural point. Hold the car on a delicate mix of throttle and hold the steering wheel again and ride out a huge slide.

    Amazingly even at 90mph in 3rd gear this car will hold enormous angles of slide and still not spin if you are gentle. As soon as the car wants to straighten up be very quick getting the steering back to straight ahead because if you are too slow you will be thrown off the corner in the opposite direction of the original slide.


    So in summary

    PSM on = Do what you want and don't enter corners like a loony.

    PSM off = Enjoy it but be very careful as the car slips from understeer to oversteer very quickly.

    Re: Driving the 997 in the damp and rain...

    Interesting observations you raise. I actually rather like the idea of a car that requires one to be watchful, or at least involved, at all times - a way of commanding one's respect. I can't bear cars that don't excite one's passion where they are merely a form of transport.

    BTW, thanks for all the amazing photos you've been posting of NZ. Please do keep them coming.My wife and I are truly envious of your beautiful country!

    Re: Driving the 997 in the damp and rain...

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    jjr1 said:
    If you have PSM on it is damn hard to crash the thing. You can abuse the car totally in the wet and it will simply keep you on the straight and narrow. On my first trackday with the car in the wet I tried my utmost to spin the bugger but it just won't spin assuming you don't just enter a corner at 20mph too fast and run out of room.

    It is an entirely different story though if you turn PSM off. The car is naturally quite an understeerer particularly in fast corners. The best method is to actually enter a corner and on a light or trailing throttle to try and get some from end grip. Gradually accelerate once the front is settled and feel the weight of the steering before deciding how much you want the rear to come out. You need to be fairly confident and experienced at this point because this car loves to go very sideways once the rear gives up traction. I find the best way of controlling this is to let the steering slip out of your hands and spin to its natural point. Hold the car on a delicate mix of throttle and hold the steering wheel again and ride out a huge slide.

    Amazingly even at 90mph in 3rd gear this car will hold enormous angles of slide and still not spin if you are gentle. As soon as the car wants to straighten up be very quick getting the steering back to straight ahead because if you are too slow you will be thrown off the corner in the opposite direction of the original slide.


    So in summary

    PSM on = Do what you want and don't enter corners like a loony.

    PSM off = Enjoy it but be very careful as the car slips from understeer to oversteer very quickly.



    Thanks jjr1, coming from BMWs, I find the PSM cuts in much later than DSC, even when PSM is fully on. I really would not like to "crash the thing", as I love it too much!! Haven't managed a track day yet as they dont run them very often here, and the PDE days are in Australia... am looking forward to this!!

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    easy_rider911 said:
    Interesting observations you raise. I actually rather like the idea of a car that requires one to be watchful, or at least involved, at all times - a way of commanding one's respect. I can't bear cars that don't excite one's passion where they are merely a form of transport.

    BTW, thanks for all the amazing photos you've been posting of NZ. Please do keep them coming.My wife and I are truly envious of your beautiful country!



    I've owned BMWs since 97 which I've enjoyed much more than the Mercs and Audis that I've had during this time also. IMO the BMWs go where you point them, and you enjoy their ability. My 997S however, is much more involving as you say, and is more satisfying to drive, as they don't "drive themselves". The 997 is the most enjoyable car I've owned so far.

    Thanks for the replies guys!!

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    Leong said:
    ...Thanks jjr1, coming from BMWs, I find the PSM cuts in much later than DSC, even when PSM is fully on. I really would not like to "crash the thing", as I love it too much!! Haven't managed a track day yet as they dont run them very often here, and the PDE days are in Australia... am looking forward to this!!
    ...



    Porsche's ESP setup is brilliant, the Sport Chrono function even raises the threshold - in fact driving the car smoothly the system doesn't intervene. The handling capacities on this car are so extremely high that I wouldn't recommend to switch ESP off when you are really going for it. You won't save time unless you are an absolute professional.

    From my understanding Porsche's ESP also jumps in under braking, stabilizing the car if it is completely off the path.

    It looks different on other cars, especially Mercedes has a very safety-biased ESP layout that cuts in often AND very agressively in most models.

     
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