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Re: PDK or manual
It will very much depend IMO how will PDK feel in the end.
If the end result is something like Audi/Vw DSG then I will stay loyal manual costumer. DSG feels very much like autobox to me. We all need to see when will Porsche introduce PDK and if...! From what I heard it will be introduced on Panamera, NOT on any 997 version!
BTW, 997 GT2 will be manual only...
If the end result is something like Audi/Vw DSG then I will stay loyal manual costumer. DSG feels very much like autobox to me. We all need to see when will Porsche introduce PDK and if...! From what I heard it will be introduced on Panamera, NOT on any 997 version!
BTW, 997 GT2 will be manual only...
Jun 26, 2006 9:03:52 AM
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Nick_Athens
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KresoF1 said:
It will very much depend IMO how will PDK feel in the end.
If the end result is something like Audi/Vw DSG then I will stay loyal manual costumer. DSG feels very much like autobox to me. We all need to see when will Porsche introduce PDK and if...! From what I heard it will be introduced on Panamera, NOT on any 997 version!
BTW, 997 GT2 will be manual only...
i agree with you kreso ,the dsg has an auto feeling unlike smg and f1. but we only tested it on 200hp cars like the golf gti, on a 500hp car the feeling should be different
Jun 26, 2006 9:10:51 AM
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Nick I own same F430F1 Spider as you do! IMO F1 gearbox is not even close in feeling to DSG in VW Golf GTI for example. Rossi(also member here) also has F430F1 and Golf R32 DSG and he share my opinion about DSG! With F1 gearbox you have total control on your car, you shift according to your preferance... With DSG this is not always the case! And upshifts are way faster on F1 then on DSG. If you think that TIP or PDK are(or will be) similar to F1 in feeling and thrill you are simply wrong... And those stupid tiny buttons on TIP, can you really compare them to F1 paddles?
Jun 26, 2006 9:56:59 AM
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Re: PDK or manual
My sister owns a Golf GTI DSG. These 2 gearboxes are totaly different! The feeling i have on my F430 when i go to 8.500rpms and i put the next gear in Race mode is something unbelievable... The feeling when you upshift a 500hp car is Amazing. I am so happy with my car that i am thinking of buying and the F430 stradale if the new GT2 will be manual.. 
Jun 28, 2006 8:20:01 PM
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Re: PDK or manual
I've been enjoying my goofy A3 with DSG for a few months. Honestly I bought it to help me think about PDK. I suspect for the racetrack, PDK/DSG would be great. But in everyday circumstances I find myself forgetting which gear I'm in, driving somewhat lazily and confused.
I mean, you pull away from a stop...and YOU shift. You pull up to a stop, and the car shifts...well, unless you decide to pay attention for that particular stop, or want some engine braking. You roll toward a speed bump and downshift - but if you do so too late, you actually speed up and hit the bump at greater speed. So I find myself downshifting earlier, feeling engine braking, then braking with the actual brakes. Or you do both at the same time and feel the effects of both, less than a second apart. All of this adds up to a slightly unsettling, unpolished driving experience.
I was in Vancouver BC last weekend with poor directions, goofy traffic lights and patterns. I drove around in automode so I wouldn't have to think about paddles. And, with it's quick shifts, it IS a very nice autobox (except that it tries really hard to drive everywhere in 6th gear). Plus, with a quick flick of the gearshift, it has this crazy Sport Mode, where it insists on keeping high rpms. In one review I read, the authors didn't even use the paddles, once they discovered Sport Mode - they loved the engine shifting so aggressively with every rpm dip.
Basically DSG is 3 transmissions. I find none of them fits my personality, even if it IS fantastic technology.
How PDK differs from DSG will be very interesting. And a Porsche version of Sport Mode on a 997tt would be absolutely stunning when driven in anger....and, probably, with practice, faster in most circumstances then touching the paddles.
I mean, you pull away from a stop...and YOU shift. You pull up to a stop, and the car shifts...well, unless you decide to pay attention for that particular stop, or want some engine braking. You roll toward a speed bump and downshift - but if you do so too late, you actually speed up and hit the bump at greater speed. So I find myself downshifting earlier, feeling engine braking, then braking with the actual brakes. Or you do both at the same time and feel the effects of both, less than a second apart. All of this adds up to a slightly unsettling, unpolished driving experience.
I was in Vancouver BC last weekend with poor directions, goofy traffic lights and patterns. I drove around in automode so I wouldn't have to think about paddles. And, with it's quick shifts, it IS a very nice autobox (except that it tries really hard to drive everywhere in 6th gear). Plus, with a quick flick of the gearshift, it has this crazy Sport Mode, where it insists on keeping high rpms. In one review I read, the authors didn't even use the paddles, once they discovered Sport Mode - they loved the engine shifting so aggressively with every rpm dip.
Basically DSG is 3 transmissions. I find none of them fits my personality, even if it IS fantastic technology.
How PDK differs from DSG will be very interesting. And a Porsche version of Sport Mode on a 997tt would be absolutely stunning when driven in anger....and, probably, with practice, faster in most circumstances then touching the paddles.
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