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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    The earliest delivery I read about is to the Middle East sometime in September.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    Red is the best color for the GT3 ....


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    nberry:

    The earliest delivery I read about is to the Middle East sometime in September.

    even that is very optimistic..the first ones will arrive in porsche centres in germany for "display" in september..so I doubt any customer can have it at that time in the middle east.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    mkultra:

    great real world pics!  especially love the front view

    is this a test car or deliveries already taking place?!

    Smiley dont know, sorry....

    source: rennlist


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    GTlover:
    nberry:

    The earliest delivery I read about is to the Middle East sometime in September.

    even that is very optimistic..the first ones will arrive in porsche centres in germany for "display" in september..so I doubt any customer can have it at that time in the middle east.

    I don't. Money talks andwhen it comes to cars some people in the ME have a lot to say and they say it loud. 


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    The new Porsche magazine contains an interesting piece of information on the active rear steering: the developer says that to compensate for this new feature on the NBR you would need approx. 70hp or approx. 100kg in weight reduction. Seems quite effective - this new technology Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    MKSGR:

    The new Porsche magazine contains an interesting piece of information on the active rear steering: the developer says that to compensate for this new feature on the NBR you would need approx. 70hp or approx. 100kg in weight reduction. Seems quite effective - this new technology Smiley

    That would support the suggestion that the 991 GT3 will be as quick on track as the awesome GT3 RS 4.0 Mezger...

    Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0 at Spa Francorchamps -- Video Link

    Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0 at Nurburgring -- Video Link

    Smiley SmileySmiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    You are right - that is somehow implied by this statement. The article also mentions again that the NBR time is "below 7.30" Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    Porsche 991 GT3 at the New York Auto Show...

    "PCA members are invited to an exclusive preview of the Porsche 991 GT3 at the 2013 New York Auto Show..."

    Porsche 991 GT3 at the New York Auto Show -- Video Link

    Smiley SmileySmiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    SportCarGroup:

    Perhaps this blue is better?

    Thanks - can you do this in a higher quality picture?  The red pic I quoted is more detailed (and hence looks better as a background on my PC), the other photoshops, while helpful in comparing colours don't provide a perfect comparison as they are lower quality images and hence don't look as good on the PC.

    This may be an inevitable trade-off of the photoshop process though/.

    Thanks anyway!

    Sidicks


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    JimFlat6:

    Kreso, you may have missed my point., which is that the S models should be more "Special" and have a bigger power difference between them and the base model Carrera.  Is there something "wrong" with that? I think not.

    As for PASM, that is available on the base 991.2 Carrera for the US market.

     

     

     

    The S was always the more powerful version of the Carrera. You are reading too much into the S designation and I actually think that Porsche found the right balance for the Carrera and Carrera S, to make both perfect daily drivers.

    The only thing I am not fond of is the rising price tag of the 911 Carrera. A well equipped Carrera S is already around 135k EUR, a well equipped Carrera around 120k EUR, this is way too much for a Carrera model. The prices got out of hand in my opinion and sooner or later, they will bite Porsche in the a.. .


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    nberry:

    The earliest delivery I read about is to the Middle East sometime in September.

    No regular customer will get the GT3 before September 2013. Actually some "first" customers can be happy if they get it in September 2013. Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2012), Mini Cooper S Countryman All4


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    Video of the 991GT3 on a highway. Only see the rear but does have a nice sound.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f0pmXivEDg


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    That's the 991 GT3 mule, still with camo....


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    It seems to bounce around a lot like my car when the PASM shocks wore out.  ?  Is it just me or does it bounce too much in the rear.  Can't believe the roads are that bad.  Other cars around it are not bouncing at the same speed.  Watch carefully.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    Leawood911:

    It seems to bounce around a lot like my car when the PASM shocks wore out.  ?  Is it just me or does it bounce too much in the rear.  Can't believe the roads are that bad.  Other cars around it are not bouncing at the same speed.  Watch carefully.

    Maybe PASM is switched of? Such "hopping" can even be caused by very sporty (UHP) tires like Michelin Super Sport and/or driving with Sport Chrono activated only (that's what I've noticed while driving with a 991 Carrera S and 987.2 recently)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    SportCarGroup:

    That's the 991 GT3 mule, still with camo....

    You may be right. Probably a prototype since the rear bumper looks odd.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    Front Lift: 

    Nick, I would get the lift option.  Having had both the 996 and 997 GT3, one of their biggest drawbacks was low ride height + long overhang + aggressively lipped front bumper.  PITA around town and caused one to plot courses.   The lift will make it a far easier daily driver/street car.  I've had a bunch of 911s, and the non GT cars were never a problem so I don't give much relevance to the fact that the regular 991s can overcome boulders with ease.  It really is a PITA taking even modest inclines at extreme angles and I never grew comfortable with just saying 'F-it, I'll scrape the front end and deal with the $150 part when it gets chewed up.

    Resale concerns: 

    Sales numbers. . . I thought I remember reading that 991 production overall is not as high as 997?  So even if 10%, perhaps the actual number of units vs. the 997 GT3 will not be that different?  In any event, the broader based appeal due to enhanced streetability will likely drive demand.  For daily driving I actually preferred my 997S launch car over my 997 GT3.  Too, resale is only going to be a huge issue if you hold the car for a while.  If you sell it in a year or two, you'll likely be fine b/c at that point the GT3 is still a rare bird.  If you guys love the car and hold it long term, who gives a damn about resale?  Enjoy the ride!

    Road/Track:

    Track performance may sell the car, but street manners will dictate whether you keep the car.  I completely agree with Nick on his focus of street manners.  It's dual personality is what makes the GT3 special, both sides of the equation equally weighted IMO.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    I appreciate your advice which I will take seriously. I understand the 991GT3 is lower by over an inch than the 991 911. According to those that have the lifter in their 997.2GT3, they still scrape however no where near as often without it. Bottom line is with or without the lifter, changing the rubber piece will be required.

    You are spot on resale. Unless I absolutely fall in love with the car, I will sell it within 12 to 18 months and buy hopefully a different Porsche one with the engine in the middle.indecision

    Finally, as you indicate I would have not bought this car but for its dual purpose of performance and DD. Based on Porsche comments, it maintains its rawness and yet is much more compliant for use on public roads. If that is not the case then I will sell it sooner. I recall driving the 430 Scuderia on several occasions and after 30 minutes I had a headache. Not my idea of fun.surprise

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    nberry:

    I appreciate your advice which I will take seriously. I understand the 991GT3 is lower by over an inch than the 991 911. According to those that have the lifter in their 997.2GT3, they still scrape however no where near as often without it. Bottom line is with or without the lifter, changing the rubber piece will be required.

    You are spot on resale. Unless I absolutely fall in love with the car, I will sell it within 12 to 18 months and buy hopefully a different Porsche one with the engine in the middle.indecision

    Finally, as you indicate I would have not bought this car but for its dual purpose of performance and DD. Based on Porsche comments, it maintains its rawness and yet is much more compliant for use on public roads. If that is not the case then I will sell it sooner. I recall driving the 430 Scuderia on several occasions and after 30 minutes I had a headache. Not my idea of fun.surprise

     


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    Yo.  Scud = track toy w/ a lot of compromises.  Track toys generally suck on the street.

    If the 991 GT3 = 997S street manners + near 4.0 RS track manners, WTF is not to love.  Can't wait.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    J.Seven:

    The fact you can disengage completely the clutch is phenomenal, I wish my PDK could do that, and 9000rpm WOW, simply amazing.

    J.Seven

    Not sure if this old news by now, but my 991 CS PDK can do that as well, hitting both flappy pedals at the same time.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    BangoO:
    J.Seven:

    The fact you can disengage completely the clutch is phenomenal, I wish my PDK could do that, and 9000rpm WOW, simply amazing.

    J.Seven

    Not sure if this old news by now, but my 991 CS PDK can do that as well, hitting both flappy pedals at the same time.

    The same goes for the 981 - I like this feature a lot Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    Not sure I understand why it's so useful though... what do you with it ?


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    BangoO:

    Not sure I understand why it's so useful though... what do you with it ?

    I can only think (imho) of one use for it: It can help provoke the drift of the car in the turns


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    That's indeed what I've read elsewhere...


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    The 991 GT3 has been seen drifting sideways around the Ring in testing "fazination" style by factory test drivers. I think this is what it can be used for. Im suprised its on "lesser" models as AP made a big deal about how unique it was. I understand the way it re-engages is different (pulses)....


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    991 GT3_1.jpg991 GT3_2.jpg


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsaXHKTDk9E


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    Damn!  They travel in packs.  Nice.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)

    macca993:

    The 991 GT3 has been seen drifting sideways around the Ring in testing "fazination" style by factory test drivers. I think this is what it can be used for. 

    Yes, that's why I call the feature the Hooligan mode Smiley


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