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    Oil Filter location on 991?

    All of the 9A1 motors in the 997 located the oil filters on top of the motor (like the Mezger GT3/GT2/TT), making oil changes much easier than on the M96/M97.

    I'm wondering how you access the oil filter on the 991, as the motor is no longer visible.  Did they move the filter back underneath the car or is there a removable access panel on the top?

    Thanks!


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs).  Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550 Maranello


    Re: Oil Filter location on 991?

    I doubt it. My guess is that an engine access panel of some kind has to be removed to do the servicing. 

    In the Boxster and Cayman, the upper engine access panel has to be removed anyways to check the power steering oil level anyway. Wait a minute... We now have electric power steering... 

     


    Re: Oil Filter location on 991?

    Take a guess...991 engine. 

    z10641556X,Porsche-911--991-.jpg


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S (April 2012 delivery), Porsche 997 Carrera GTS Cabriolet PDK, BMW X5M, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S Countryman All4


    Re: Oil Filter location on 991?


    That thing at 3 o'clock on top looks like the oil filter housing!  That is where I would start but I doubt that is it. Not easy to get to.  I would like to see other angles to try and find it for certain.


    Re: Oil Filter location on 991?

    That is definitely the oil filter, but I'm not sure how you get there...


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs).  Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550 Maranello


    Re: Oil Filter location on 991?

    It may sound a little bit harsh but why the heck would someone pay over 100k for a brand new Porsche but change the oil filter by himself ? Just curious ?  I barely have time to drive my cars, exchanging oil/oil filters or doing other stuff on the car would actually be very very annoying.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S (April 2012 delivery), Porsche 997 Carrera GTS Cabriolet PDK, BMW X5M, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S Countryman All4


    Re: Oil Filter location on 991?

    RC:

    It may sound a little bit harsh but why the heck would someone pay over 100k for a brand new Porsche but change the oil filter by himself ? Just curious ?  I barely have time to drive my cars, exchanging oil/oil filters or doing other stuff on the car would actually be very very annoying.

    I enjoy it, it's very easy and quick.  I do it often (with track use) and like to open the filter to look for debris as well.  I almost bought a 996 GT3 and during the dealer inspection everything was going perfectly until I had the mechanic open the oil filter (not part of the normal PPI).  Inside were large Copper-colored metal shavings (obvious bearing material).  Saved me from making a big mistake (mechanic said stay away for sure)...

    For someone busy and handy, it's even quicker (and cheaper) to change one's own oil than make an appointment to go to the dealer (and the inevitable waiting that occurs).

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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs).  Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550 Maranello


    Re: Oil Filter location on 991?

    I am with you on that Grant.  Plus I live a good distance away from a dealer or service shop that I would trust with my cars.

    Of course I don't do everything myself (I make the trip when I have to), but oil and brake fluid changes are so easy (I have a pit in my garage), that its significantly more of a hassle to take a car in than to do it myself.

    I'm certain I am more of an exception though.  And I'm a far, far  cry from being any kind of a wrench like Grant obviously is. 

    I'm sure RC's viewpoint applies to 95% percent of all newer Porsche buyers though.


    Re: Oil Filter location on 991?

    For access to the filter, I recall a "Mobil 1" sticker on a plastic panel on the right side of the engine area.  I imagine (hope) that panel is easily removed, but not sure.

     


    Re: Oil Filter location on 991?

    davew (cincy):

    Of course I don't do everything myself (I make the trip when I have to), but oil and brake fluid changes are so easy (I have a pit in my garage), that its significantly more of a hassle to take a car in than to do it myself.

    I'm certain I am more of an exception though.  And I'm a far, far  cry from being any kind of a wrench like Grant obviously is.

    Dave - I only do easy stuff too - no great mechanic (but I have fun at it).


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs).  Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550 Maranello


    Re: Oil Filter location on 991?

    Some have 100K to spend on a car because we spend money cautiously and some have 100K to spend because they have a lot of money and don't care.  Maybe their time is simply worth more and maybe, in my case, it is how I enjoy spending time.

    I totally enjoy working on cars and buying the tools (lift) etc to work on them rather than pay others.  Many times I have fixed in less than one hour stuff the Porsche dealer would have charged 4+ hours for.  Nuts.  Sometimes I wonder if the guys here have any training to qualify them over me.  Most clearly don't.  I can change speark plugs in half the time they can - one of them is a real bear but with the special snap-on wobbler socket extension it is a rewarding job.  Cost of tool $30, savings $500-600.

    I know the guys in the service area and I frequently inspect their work and correct it when I get home (after I find the rattle etc.).   I worked in a machine shop when I was 16 and built engines from bare metal so turning a wrench is childs play.  Once you work on these cars a bit you realize the genious that went into making them easy to service (once certain panels are removed). My first repair was replacing the blown air box on my '80 Euro 911 SC after I calmly put the fire out one cold morning.

    For the same reason I will always shift the car myself.  I know the automatic is faster and simpler to drive - so is a wheel chair compared to walking or running.

    In some cases guys like me who buy used (ooops - I am cheap) and do their own work might be a little more enthusiastic and also know a bit more about the quality of the car and how it works. 

    BTW, my car costs me only $97 per month on a tax deductible home equity line of credit.  Plus taxes and insurance of course.  so figure less than $200 TOTAL plus gas and tires.  If I can save a $400 service now and then I will do it!  I drive the same 997 that everyone else does - it just costs less and suits me.  Life is too short to waste money on bad investments.  Visit me at my family home in Pal, Andorra and you can see what can be done with the extra money.

     


    Re: Oil Filter location on 991?

    So, I finally found photos of how to access the oil filter - it looks like a pain:

     

    991 oil filter.jpg


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs).  Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550 Maranello


    Re: Oil Filter location on 991?

    And look how much work is required to get to the air filter (maybe you can access from top photo, but doesn't look that way):

     

    991 air filter.jpg


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs).  Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550 Maranello


    Re: Oil Filter location on 991?

    I suspect servicing will cost more due to the extra time it will take to access these places :(


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    Re: Oil Filter location on 991?

    Actually you will find the engineering will be such that once the bumper is removed (quickly) everything is much easier to get to than the 997.  Little stuff like a few body pannels is nothing, it is not like they are moving parts.

    Sadly, since it will discourage DIY the dealers will find an excuse to jack up the prices and profits.  For them though the work will be simple.


    Re: Oil Filter location on 991?

    Leawood911:

    Actually you will find the engineering will be such that once the bumper is removed (quickly) everything is much easier to get to than the 997. 

    I'm not sure I understand your point.  On the 997, one could change the oil (including filter) and air filter VERY easily without removing any body panels.  Any parts that could be more easily accessed in the 991 by removing body panels could also be done in the 997 either without (most cases) or with removing its body panels.

    I am not aware of any case where maintenance will be easier on the 991 - only harder or more time consuming.

     


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs).  Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550 Maranello


    Re: Oil Filter location on 991?

    You will find the body panels will remove much easier on the 991 as they were designed for that.  It may make the oil filter a little more difficult to get to but many items will be much easier to get to on the 991 once the bumper is removed, from the looks of it.  Trust me, they do not make it more difficult for themselves - but they like to obscure.  Your response shows that it is working.  I am complimenting the engineering.


    Re: Oil Filter location on 991?

    Does anyone know the time authorized in the Porsche workshop manual for an oil change?

    And does anyone know the air filter change interval?

    ChuckJ


     
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