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    Re: Panamera 2016 (Gen.2) Thread Closed

    I suspect the Gen.2 won't solve the problem. My dealer told me they are loosing a lot of Panamera customers to Tesla and they won't be coming back until there is a Tesla competitor......maybe just a US problem yes


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    EnglishManInNY:

    I suspect the Gen.2 won't solve the problem. My dealer told me they are loosing a lot of Panamera customers to Tesla and they won't be coming back until there is a Tesla competitor......maybe just a US problem yes

    Porsche is well aware of that, but problem is they cant deliver that kind of car right now Smiley They developed awesome Mission E concept, but who knows when this kind of car will be offered from Porsche Smiley


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    I look forward to getting my Mission E!


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    Re: Panamera 2016 (Gen.2) Thread Closed

    Problem #1 is the price. #2 is that the car is a two seater in the rear. #3 is luggage space.

    The Mercedes S class is is so nice is killed the last remaining potential buyers for Panamera. And the Macan too. I could buy a Macan turbo for $95k or a Panamera GTS for $130k. The Panamera has zero chance. And forget the turbo models. You could buy a Tesla AND a Macan turbo for the price of a Panamera turbo S. It is ridiculous.


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    SciFrog:

    Problem #1 is the price. #2 is that the car is a two seater. #3 is luggage space.

    The Mercedes S class is is so nice is killed the last remaining potential buyers for Panamera. And the Macan too. I could buy a Macan turbo for $95k or a Panamera GTS for $130k. The Panamera has zero chance. And forget the turbo models. You could buy a Tesla AND a Macan turbo for the price of a Panamera turbo S. It is ridiculous.

    I can only agree here... The Panamera had it's moment and even I fell for it but it wasn't what I expected it to be and extremely expensive. Also, I still think that Porsche needs a Coupe to compete with the Mercedes S class Coupe and the BMW 6 series.


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    Re: Panamera 2016 (Gen.2) Thread Closed

    rulesdontapply:

    Confirmed by Matthias Müller: 2nd generation Panamera debuting at the Geneva Motor Show in March 2016 with sales commencing in the second half of 2015. Car's codename is G2.

    Six months to go - exciting to know it'll preview the next generation of Porsche design language and technology.

    http://indianautosblog.com/2015/09/2017-porsche-panamera-confirmed-for-geneva-195949

    "5-door Sport Turismo"?


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    New roofline looks promising!


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    Strangely, I'm not sure this is an improvement. I think it still looks bad, but at least the original one was distinct because of it.

    Now it just kind of reminds me of an A7.


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    Milanno:

    New roofline looks promising!

    Yes, it looks less stretched than before, more like a limousine.


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    noone1:

    Strangely, I'm not sure this is an improvement. I think it still looks bad, but at least the original one was distinct because of it.

    Now it just kind of reminds me of an A7.

    Thats because they used the A7 kink in the rear window, if you look closely you can see its camo. Smiley


    Re: Panamera 2016 (Gen.2) Thread Closed

    After the Mission E this looks like a big fat boat....


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    still ugly....S-Class any day.


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    Re: Panamera 2016 (Gen.2) Thread Closed

    EnglishManInNY:

    After the Mission E this looks like a big fat boat....

    The Panamera has always been Das Boot. Nothing can change that. Smiley


    Re: Panamera 2016 (Gen.2) Thread Closed

    Did someone heard something new about the next generation Panamera? Engine,specs,etc?


    Re: Panamera 2016 (Gen.2) Thread Closed

    It will look better without camo, and in person--but the Panamera suffers from a poor design at the start.  Contrast it to the original 911 design, which could nicely be refined over decades.  Sad, really...


    Re: Panamera 2016 (Gen.2) Thread Closed

    look at the Larson images - he nailed the 991 amongst other updates. I therefor am inferring he has more or less nailed the new pano rear end.


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    Larson images?  Do you mean Milanno's post of July 23 on this thread?


    Re: Panamera 2016 (Gen.2) Thread Closed

    I had two Panamera for apprx. 30 Minutes next to me in a traffic jam. The hump on the rear is gone which makes it much better. But the rest appears almost like it has been. It is like a difference from a 996 to a 997. I'm sure that new lights will change the appearance but the overall shape is like it has been. As far as I did see, no one else cared about that car - pedestrians been walking by and other drivers just passed by without checking it. I wasn't temped by that look at all, seeing a car (even with Camo) for 30 Minutes closely should give you some passion... nothing at all. 

    Sorry - was on a conference call and couldn't take more or better pictures.

    2015-12-17 16.27.04.jpg

    2015-12-17 16.27.05.jpg


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    Wonderbar:

    Larson images?  Do you mean Milanno's post of July 23 on this thread?

    Yep - this car from Milanno does look spot on. Boring like an E-Class


    Re: Panamera 2016 (Gen.2) Thread Closed

    Maybe worth noticing: Rumors indicate a new generation of smaller capacity (turbo charged?) and more fuel efficient V8 engines for the next Panamera generation. I hope it is true, the current V6 is certainly not an engine I would want in a Panamera.


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    Re: Panamera 2016 (Gen.2) Thread Closed

    Images look interesting, especially the rear.  If RC is right about the turbo V8, a newly redesigned car may be more exciting than we think now.


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    Lars997:

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    Strangely, I am more interested in the orange car you were in than the next Panamera Smiley


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    Whoopsy:
    Lars997:

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    Strangely, I am more interested in the orange car you were in than the next Panamera Smiley

    haha.... SmileySmiley - thats our little city Mini Smiley


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    Wonderbar:

    Larson images?  Do you mean Milanno's post of July 23 on this thread?

    just google images for the new panamera and he has a couple of renditions in red.


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    Lars997:

     

     

    2015-12-17 16.27.05.jpg

    I can see you love stronge colors, red Jeep and yellow Mini Smiley, still those two pales next to te vocal dark silver beauty Smiley Smiley


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    Re: Panamera 2016 (Gen.2) Thread Closed

    J.Seven:
    Lars997:

     

     

    2015-12-17 16.27.05.jpg

    I can see you love stronge colors, red Jeep and yellow Mini Smiley, still those two pales next to te vocal dark silver beauty Smiley Smiley

    Yep - and remember the 991 was screaming aqua blue.... and if I get one again it will be that again Smiley I see it a bit different with the classics. A vintage car should have the color of its time, mostly pale colors, white, pale blue, green, or maybe black. The SLS just looks stunning in the grey, so that's what it is. 

     



    Re: Panamera 2016 (Gen.2) Thread Closed

    I don't know what to say. It is not to my taste. Maybe in the flesh it will look better to my eyes.


    Re: Panamera 2016 (Gen.2) Thread Closed

    Spyderidol:

    I don't know what to say. It is not to my taste. Maybe in the flesh it will look better to my eyes.

    Same here - I hope for the flesh. But as basic concept is the same than before, the taste buds will again not be activated!


     
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