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    Poll results - manual v. tip

    of 123 respondants 58% would choose manual, 42% tip

    anybody know the manual v. tip actual numbers for the 996tt

    BTW, I read that at least one dealership in CA will take no new 997tt deposits - backed up in potential orders for 2 years

    Re: Poll results - manual v. tip

    Factory times

    996 Turbo

    Top speed: 305 km/h (Tiptronic S 298 km/h)

    0-100 km/h: 4,2 s (Tiptronic S 4,8 s)
    0-160 km/h: 9,3 s (Tiptronic S 10,4 s)


    996 Turbo S/X50

    Top speed 307 km/h (Tiptronic S 300 km/h)

    0-100 km/h: 4.2 s (Tiptronic S 4.5 s)
    0-160 km/h: 9.0 s (Tiptronic S 9.7 s)

    Re: Poll results - manual v. tip

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    Crash said:
    Factory times

    996 Turbo

    Top speed: 305 km/h (Tiptronic S 298 km/h)

    0-100 km/h: 4,2 s (Tiptronic S 4,8 s)
    0-160 km/h: 9,3 s (Tiptronic S 10,4 s)


    996 Turbo S/X50

    Top speed 307 km/h (Tiptronic S 300 km/h)

    0-100 km/h: 4.2 s (Tiptronic S 4.5 s)
    0-160 km/h: 9.0 s (Tiptronic S 9.7 s)



    Crash, I think Alan referred to the manual vs. Tip ratio for the 996 Turbo.

    Alan: a lot of people still think that the words "driving fun" and "manual" go together. But don't forget that the long awaited PDK is actually (by the base concept, not by the technical specs!) a Tiptronic. PDK lacks a clutch pedal, Tiptronic lacks a clutch pedal. PDK has a manual and auto mode, Tiptronic has a manual and an auto mode. The only difference between both is shifting performance in the manual mode and the possibility to choose the gears more precisely for track racing for example.

    From my point of view, driving fun is directly connected to performance in numbers. Otherwise I could choose to go for a Lotus/Caterham lighweigth manual tranny car and be the happiest person on this planet.

    I know that a lot of people, especially in the US, have a hard time to believe that their "sacred" manual suddenly isn't the fastest choice anymore. In the US most people, including housewifes, grannies, etc. are driving auto, so going for manual isn't only a choice of concept, it is also some sort of statement: "Look, I can drive stick, I'm not like everybody. And yes, I love it the sporty way, this is why I've chosen stick.": My personal concept is: take whatever makes you fast and give a damn on the technical circumstances.

    Regarding track racing: I agree that it is possible but still not confirmed, that the manual version of the 997 Turbo is faster. BUT: if true, you have to be the hell of a driver. Don't forget that it involves a clutch and shifting operation while Tiptronic only requires button pushing or even nothing at all in auto mode.

    I have to get used to Tiptronic myself too. My wife's Boxster S has Tiptronic and sometimes I like driving it (especially when I drive home very tired from work) but I always missed the manual, my left foot and especially my right hand are missing something. But when I want to be fast in this car, I can be really fast. I push the Sport Chrono "sport" button, I keep both hands on the steering wheel and there I go, controlling all the handling with my throttle foot and the steering wheel. It is fun too, just a different way of fun.

    So before you rush for manual, maybe some good advice: go to your local Porsche dealer, maybe he has a 997 with Tiptronic AND Sport Chrono available for a testride. Just to make sure you made the right choice. And don't forget: the 997 Turbo Tiptronic is even faster than manual.

    manual v. auto v. PDK (well, DSG)

    RC, my wife and I currently own a '06 AudiTT (V6/DSG/paddles), '04 Audi S4 (V8/auto/paddles) and a '05 987 S (manual).
    I still prefer the manual, not so much because of performance but rather for the fun of the "human interaction with machine". On the other hand, I'm really just beginning to understand the best use of the DSG transmission and the differences between it and the autobox are becoming far more noticeable to me as I learn to use it more effectively.

    As far as the 997tt is concerned, the absolute performance numbers matter less to me because I'm really not skilled enough to bring the best out of either an auto or stick turbo and, as you know, where I live my real battle will be keeping my license intact with either.

    As far as test driving both, it's not going to be possible for a long time because the early turbos are being snatched up at a very rapid pace - they're going to be sold out for a year at least in the Northeast soon, let alone in the warm states. I grabbed the launch car (manual) because that will put me behind the wheel in July - I'm happy it's a manual, but if it had been a auto, I would have grabbed it as well.

    BTW, for anyone interested, I placed a deposit on the 997tt in September '02 and was still 2nd on the list!

    oops - misread your post

    good idea- I will test drive a 997 or 997S with tip- won't change my order (because I can't) but I 'd like to compare it against the Audis'

    Re: Poll results - manual v. tip

    RC,

    the Tip numbers are in parentheses, for both the standard and the X50 models.

    Re: Poll results - manual v. tip

    Quote:
    Crash said:
    RC,

    the Tip numbers are in parentheses, for both the standard and the X50 models.



    Oh boy...those language barriers. I referred to "how many customers choose manual and how many choose Tip ratio".

    Re: Poll results - manual v. tip

    Quote:
    RC said:
    Quote:
    Crash said:
    RC,

    the Tip numbers are in parentheses, for both the standard and the X50 models.



    Oh boy...those language barriers. I referred to "how many customers choose manual and how many choose Tip ratio".



    Whoops! My bad . Should've read the first post more carefully.
    I thought it was something like 60/40 6spd/tip for the US and about 50/50 for Germany...

    Re: Poll results - manual v. tip

    Quote:
    Alan(NJ) said:
    BTW, I read that at least one dealership in CA will take no new 997tt deposits - backed up in potential orders for 2 years



    Do you happen to remember which dealership that was?

    CA dealership

    this info was posted on Porsche Peter Boxster Board by Robert who is a regular poster and a Porsche salesperson (I think at the Woodland Hills dealership but I'm not positive:

    "Posted By: Robert (Agoura Hills)<Email: Robert (Agoura Hills)>
    Date: Saturday, 18 February 2006, at 5:53:27 p.m.

    In Response To: Will the 997 tt be a hyped up "line up car"?

    "Where I work, we are no longer taking orders.
    We are two years backed up. Now, if Porsche gives my dealership extra pool cars. well then they are up for grabs."

     
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