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    Re: 991 Turbo S - Short Driving Report (owner)

    If a car makes me feel something, surely they are emotions? 


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    997.1 C2S GT Silver/Cocoa, -20mm/LSD, PSE, short shifter, SportDesign rims, Zuffenhausen pickup, BMW Z4 2.5i Roadster Sterling Grey/Red


    Re: 991 Turbo S - Short Driving Report (owner)

    fritz:
    For instance, to mean "irrational", as in: "There's no need to get emotional about it"  Smiley

     

    Fritz you (possiblyy inadvertently) hit the nail on the head here because if someone says the phrase above in English it is in a derogatory fashion, it is probably a hang over of Brits and their inability to show/talk about emotion particularly guys. 

    @easy rider - I am not arguing about it being the factually correct word to use just that in England we would not say it or write it (would we ?) RC used it three times in the post above and it was first coined by Preuninger (I think) and it just seems weird to read it - as Fritz says, it may just be me I would only use the word emotional in a serious way when talking above stuff to do with people I love, not cars broken heart


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    Re: 991 Turbo S - Short Driving Report (owner)

    TB993tt:

    ... What about the Yanks on here, do you guys talk in terms of emotion ?

    Certainly not. The American male does not ever speak of "emotion"... well, except for the "sensitive guys", who some refer to as "girlie men".


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    RC:

    All I was for in the 991 Turbo S was a little bit more visceral and sonorous. This car doesn't have to be lighter (it feels quite nimble and the extra 40 horses I asked for, would have done the trick) but it just needs to deliver more excitement and sense of occasion. The interior sucks and the engine/exhaust sound may be nice (full throttle) from the outside but maybe my sound symposer is damaged (the factory "fix" has been done already if you get some wrong ideas) but from the inside, I get the feeling the car sounds quieter and more boring. Or to use the words of my son: If the 991 Turbo S would sound like the Carrera S with PSE, he would be happy. Add a bit of turbo whining and/or (fake) wastegate pop-off noise to the mix and voila...

    RC, I hope you don't mind (and please I am not being rude since yours and others English on here is fantastic), I had a crack at translating the emotion you are talking of, did I get it right or way off ?


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    997 GT2 2014 3.9 Mezger, 800PS @ 1.0 bar


    Re: 991 Turbo S - Short Driving Report (owner)

    TB993tt:
     
    RC:

    All I was for in the 991 Turbo S was a little bit more visceral and sonorous. This car doesn't have to be lighter (it feels quite nimble and the extra 40 horses I asked for, would have done the trick) but it just needs to deliver more excitement and sense of occasion. The interior sucks and the engine/exhaust sound may be nice (full throttle) from the outside but maybe my sound symposer is damaged (the factory "fix" has been done already if you get some wrong ideas) but from the inside, I get the feeling the car sounds quieter and more boring. Or to use the words of my son: If the 991 Turbo S would sound like the Carrera S with PSE, he would be happy. Add a bit of turbo whining and/or (fake) wastegate pop-off noise to the mix and voila...

    RC, I hope you don't mind (and please I am not being rude since yours and others English on here is fantastic), I had a crack at translating the emotion you are talking of, did I get it right or way off ?

    Perfect. Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Porsche Boxster S (981), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014), BMW X3 35d (2013)


    Re: 991 Turbo S - Short Driving Report (owner)

    Saw a black 991 TTS on the street yesterday with chrome wheels. Looked a bit odd. Anyhow the guy stepped in the car and I was waiting for him to start the car to hear it. To my great surprise the car moved and I had not heard anything yet. Guy drove by me and still couldn't hear anything. Huge disappointment. I would never get such a car without a proper sound.


    Re: 991 Turbo S - Short Driving Report (owner)

    SciFrog:

    Saw a black 991 TTS on the street yesterday with chrome wheels. Looked a bit odd. Anyhow the guy stepped in the car and I was waiting for him to start the car to hear it. To my great surprise the car moved and I had not heard anything yet. Guy drove by me and still couldn't hear anything. Huge disappointment. I would never get such a car without a proper sound.

    Maybe your hearing aid didn't work properly? Smiley Smiley

    Just kidding. You can hear the 991 Turbo S engine/exhaust even at speeds above idle, the car is not quiet and louder than the previous 997 model but it isn't even close to what people would actually expect from a sports car. Above 3000-3500 rpm, the car starts to sound nice but mainly from outside. The sound isn't however your typical sports car sound but some sort of very loud wooosh sound which is enjoyable but gets boring fast I'm afraid. 

    The problem may be that Porsche developed the 991 Turbo S as a daily driver with certain comfort features in mind and a too loud exhaust system or driving sound may not be "appropriate" for these goals. 
    I also got the explanation that sound emissions laws and restrictions make it tough for Weissach to develop a proper sound but there are always possibilities and I don't understand why Porsche gave up on them.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Porsche Boxster S (981), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014), BMW X3 35d (2013)


    Re: 991 Turbo S - Short Driving Report (owner)

    I had to choose between the Turbo S and the GT3 and eventually decided on the GT3. During the long wait there were times that I wished I rather took the Turbo S. After getting the GT3 and driving it for a while I must say I am quite happy so far. I use it as a daily drive and while it is less comfortable than some other 911's it is certainly good enough in 991 guise not to tyre you out. I still look forward to every drive in it and it really feels special. I guess one can equate that to emotion. If I have to single out the attributes which add to these "feelings" they are:

    The noise when starting it up. The rough idling that never settles down. The low ride hight which makes it look better and feel more exotic when you get in it. The shorter gearing which makes it feel more responsive. The engine noise above 3,000 rpm and then the almighty scream from 6,000rpm to 9,000 rpm. The steering and the gearshifts. It is really fast - not as fast as a Turbo S but because of the revs, the shifting and the noise the sensation of speed is huge. The grippy alcantara interior.

    IMHO If Porsche could perhaps work some of these attributes into their other models without compromising their strong points it could certainly help with the feelings/emotions. I would start with the gearing as I feel that (slightly shorter gearing) alone can do a lot for a Carrera S.

     

     


    Re: 991 Turbo S - Short Driving Report (owner)

    RC:

    This is exactly the problem: I own a 991 Turbo S and a 981 Boxster S. Whenever I switch from the Boxster to the 991, it actually feels and looks the same. 80k EUR car vs. 205k EUR car. Ouch.

    I didn't know it would bother me but it does. The 991 Turbo S is quite an expensive car (compared to the competition from Ferrari and Lamborghini) and while the 991 Turbo S may, kind of, be worth it's money from a performance point of view, in no way is this car a bargain.

    600 hp, sport exhaust with a nice sound, turbo "pop-off/wastegate" sound, better interior with performance display(s) and a slightly different front and tail light design and the Turbo S would be just perfect (in the sense of being "special"). As it is right now, it is a fantastic sports car but the novelty fun has kind of worn off fast I'm afraid. The interior is too close to the regular models, so is the look and the performance is great but not much better than in the 997 Turbo S and in no way ahead of the competition.

    I argued with Porsche before, this is a fantastic product but no benchmark (as they advertised it). Sorry to say that.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Porsche Boxster S (981), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014), BMW X3 35d (2013)

    I moved from a 997 Turbo S to a 991 Turbo S about 8 months ago.  At the moment I am afraid I pretty much agree with everything RC states above.  I am not a big fan of really loud exhausts, but the current exhaust note is really lame and I simply get no charge at all in cranking it up in the morning.  Under heavy acceleration I find the sound to be an unpleasant roar.  Like the exterior looks but not crazy about the interior.  I am getting close to being bored with it.

    Took a test drive in a Jaguar F Type coupe a couple of days ago and I am seriously thinking about trading down for a F-Type R Coupe.  I walked away from the test drive feeling that I liked the steering better.  The car felt more exciting to drive and the exhaust note is without question a lot better.  It had more of a "sports car" feel to it and its gorgeous to look at.  After nearly 50 years of producing one disappointment after another following the wonderful XKE, I am a bit amazed at what they have pulled off with the F Type.  And when I think about the fact that my Turbo S is around $90,000 more than a F-Type R Coupe I really have to shake my head a bit.

    conrad


    Re: 991 Turbo S - Short Driving Report (owner)

    This is actually the reason I added a 2014 Mustang GT500 Shelby to my stable. The sound of this car, stock!!!!, is unbelievable. A perfect addition to a maybe too perfect 991 Turbo S. 


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Porsche Boxster S (981), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014), BMW X3 35d (2013)


    Re: 991 Turbo S - Short Driving Report (owner)

    Maybe Porsche should have given up on turbocharging and adopted supercharging long ago in order to end up with a "sportier sounding" car...Smiley

    Other than pops, whistles, burbles and vacuumcleaner-esque whooshing noises there's really not a lot you can do to liven up the turbos sound track.


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    Peter

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    Re: 991 Turbo S - Short Driving Report (owner)

    1Gunner:

    Maybe Porsche should have given up on turbocharging and adopted supercharging long ago in order to end up with a "sportier sounding" car...Smiley

    It might've sounded better, but turbos perform better.


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550


    Re: 991 Turbo S - Short Driving Report (owner)

    I actually prefer supercharging due to the quicker low end torque response.   My turbocharged McLarens had a terrific exhaust note IMO, so it can be done, but do realize Porsche wouldn't let their Turbo produce that level of sound given their customer set for the car.


     
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