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    Re: F1's greatest drivers of all time...

    m4ever:

    In the fifties and sixties F1 drivers used to race much more than the "modern F1 drivers "  and in different racing categories , take Jim Clark for example: F1 driver, Indy 500,British Touring Car Championship , Non championship GP races etc etc.   I guess they were used to the hard and dangerous work. The modern F1 drivers have to be engineers of sort  which maybe was not the case with their predecessors due to the relative lack of technology in their cars. As for the physical effort I believe it was far more demanding for Stirling Moss to drive the Mille Miglia in 1955 at the average speed of 155 Km/h for 1600 kilometers than it is today for any F1 driver to finish a 90 min race. Different times indeed but my hat goes off to them.

    Are you sure? Would be interesting to ask a F1 driver about his opinion. Today's cars are built so close also to the limits of the human body. Driving these might be far more exhausting than driving the old cars. These where, on the other hand, far more dangerous. Only a F1 driver can probably compare after driving both generations of F1 cars, wouldn't you say so Smiley


    Re: F1's greatest drivers of all time...

    MKSGR:
    reginos:

    Not everybody was like that in the old days. For example Lauda (again indecision) was the first to introduce a strict fitness regime to F1in parallel with his technical knowledge and his calculating race craft. Prost also, wasn't nicknamed "the Professor" for nothing. There were more  crazy drivers than now (the disciplinary rules were not so strict) like Hunt, de Cesaris, Pironi and many others but these have been forgotten, as drivers at least.

    I know Smiley I was a fan of Prost, never liked Senna too much. And frankly, at this time it was also not obvious to me that Senna was a better driver than Prost Smiley How can one measure talent. This is very, very difficult, I guess.

    I also found Prost the better driver. Smiley


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    Bernd Rosemeyer and Mark Donohue are the best!)))


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    Re: F1's greatest drivers of all time...

    MKSGR:
    m4ever:

    In the fifties and sixties F1 drivers used to race much more than the "modern F1 drivers "  and in different racing categories , take Jim Clark for example: F1 driver, Indy 500,British Touring Car Championship , Non championship GP races etc etc.   I guess they were used to the hard and dangerous work. The modern F1 drivers have to be engineers of sort  which maybe was not the case with their predecessors due to the relative lack of technology in their cars. As for the physical effort I believe it was far more demanding for Stirling Moss to drive the Mille Miglia in 1955 at the average speed of 155 Km/h for 1600 kilometers than it is today for any F1 driver to finish a 90 min race. Different times indeed but my hat goes off to them.

    Are you sure? Would be interesting to ask a F1 driver about his opinion. Today's cars are built so close also to the limits of the human body. Driving these might be far more exhausting than driving the old cars. These where, on the other hand, far more dangerous. Only a F1 driver can probably compare after driving both generations of F1 cars, wouldn't you say so Smiley

    Of course I am not sure; it is just my modest view based on my interest in historical racing and modern F1. I do agree with you that only a F1 driver can be an objective judge . The only  anectode  I can bring is during a Mille Miglia few years ago we had a chat with Mika Hakkinen who was driving the ex Moss 722 SLR and he said that it was very very challenging to drive it fast and that he couldn`t believe how the drivers at that time could drive this car on the countryside straights at nearly 290 Km/h .

    Not entirely on topic but there is a video on Hamilton test driving Senna`s MP4/4 , quite interesting what he has to say ( I believe this might have been posted already).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldTEesFbd5s


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    Re: F1's greatest drivers of all time...

    I believe to drive a "uncontrollable" beast like in the turbo area and even beyond was much more exhausting than today. In Monaco they had blisters on their hands from the 2000 manual gearchanges they had to do in one race.....- plus there was no "motormanagement" that smoothes the torque curve or "perfect" balance like we have today. For me true heros were those in the past - not even touching the subject of safety.....- certainly the driver made the difference.

    I wish today there would be a manual shifting with incredible horsepower and no drivers aid's whatsoever - a machine that can only be handled by a few people on the limit - and for which the sponsors happily can pay 20 Mio a year - but I am currently not happy with the drivers involvement vs the car's capability.


    Re: F1's greatest drivers of all time...

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104812

    Formula 1 team bosses vote Fernando Alonso as best driver of 2012


    Fernando Alonso has been voted as the driver of the year by Formula 1's team bosses in AUTOSPORT's annual team principals' top 10 poll.

    The Ferrari driver, who lost out on the world championship by just three points to Sebastian Vettel, dominated the voting this year.

    AUTOSPORT asked each of F1's current team principals to pick their top ten drivers for the season, with points being awarded under the current scoring system of 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1

    The individual votes are kept secret so team bosses can give a more honest appraisal of their views.

    Alonso was a clear winner this year, securing the biggest winning margin in the five years since AUTOSPORT began the top 10.

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     1. Fernando Alonso    269
     2. Sebastian Vettel   198
     3. Lewis Hamilton     177
     4. Kimi Raikkonen     176
     5. Jenson Button      104
     6. Mark Webber        66
     7. Nico Hulkenberg    50
     8. Nico Rosberg       30
     9. Sergio Perez       30
    10. Felipe Massa       27

     

     


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    Re: F1's greatest drivers of all time...

    @CoS anyway SV is still the only 3time f1-champ in that list, so we all (me too) have to face the fact and acknoledge his achievements!

    We have to keep in mind what his teammate MW achieved in the same period of time in the same team & car with a lot more of experience...

    FA is one of the greatest drivers in f1-history but as well one of the badest loosers (at least in 2012)Smiley


    Re: F1's greatest drivers of all time...

    FA is the best driver never to have won a 3rd title.

    With his mentality he might as well stay like that.

    Nevertheless, I understand that RBR and Sebastian are not very popular amongst their peers. Probably, because they upset the customary order. Vettel, Horner and Mateschitz all show a finger to those doubters.


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