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Re: My 991 C2S
ISUK:
Everyone who saw it today commented on how good the black stone guards looked. My dealer has ordered two kits for a couple of 997 GTS 4 coupes they have in stock as they were amazed how much they add to the look of the car. There was a guy and his girlfriend just driving away in a new white C2S as I arrived and he has apparently asked them to order a set for his car after seeing mine in the showroom. John...... I always said you had good taste
Coming from you Iain, that is indeed a compliment...
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Mar 3, 2012 9:54:54 PM
- BlackSparrow
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Mar 4, 2012 9:46:31 AM
- Atzporsche
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Re: My 991 C2S
ISUK:
KiwiCanuck:
Hello ISUK,
On the manual for the 911[991], which originally I ordered, have you read the road tests in 'Porsche GT' and '911-Porsche'?
Both extensive reviews by prominent writers were very disappoined in the smoothness of the shifter, gear to gear; the change from 7th to 6th often gives 4th; and the overall ratios chosen are not as well spaced as in the PDK.
FInally the PDK has been improved [about time, as that in the Cayman S 2011/12 was so bad I had to do the reverse change] that I took the superb manual instead. Top advice is that the 991 was developed with the PDK, and less effort put into the manual...initially the production of the manual was delayed for unknown reasons. Tested cars appear also to be variable in manual qualtiy within a fleet of vehicles used for media [Car Mags] testing.
Much as I enjoy and love the brand, Porsche often do not get new innovative systems 'right' the 1st time /year. e.g. The PDK has taken several years/a model 997 to 991, as has the PASM.
Good Luck!
KiwiCanuck!
I never take reviews seriously and prefer to find out for myself. Many road testers said the E gear system in the Gallardo was terrible - it isn't, you just need to adapt your driving style to get the best from it. Many said the magna ride suspension was a must have on the California - it isn't and the car handles much better without it. Many said the throttle response on the 458 was too sharp to make low speed driving easy - it isn't. Journalists will always look for some issue they can home in on to fill an article. Compare their short first drive reviews or road test observations to their views on the same car if they actually put them on fleet for long term evaluation. They often do a complete about face on issues they previously cited as "problems". They dress it up by saying things like "I bonded with the car" or "I learned how to get the best out of it". It says it all when you see testers notes that frequently say things like - improve the iPod connection, not enough storage spaces, the display won't let me list my music in the way I want it etc
The issue with all of these silly headline grabbing comments is that because of them and the weight manufacturers think they carry thanks to vociferous support for them on forums (most from people who've never owned or driven the cars involved) is that we are ending up getting cars that are becoming ever smoother and less involving for the driver. What we used to regard as mechanical feel is now being attacked by the Playstation generation of younger drivers as "heavy steering", "notchy gearshifts", "non linear throttle response" etc. It's turning cars into conveyances as opposed to things to be enjoyed for mastering the technique to get the best out of it. I don't want the equivalent of automotive white goods for my sports cars so if the 991 manual gearbox is slightly notchy I'll probably enjoy it more. I mean come on...... road testers complaining about the box because they can't shift from 4th straight into 7th!
The same level of rubbish came out when 5 speed gearboxes were first introduced with comments "such as why do we need an extra gear?", "I continually forgot to change up into 5th and had to consciously remind myself to do so" etc being common place in magazine reviews. The same thing happened when 6 speed manuals came out.
I disagree with your comments on the PDK fitted to the 987.2 and 997.2. I'm sure many others here do as well. In 19,000 miles in 987.2 S with PDK I never found it to be anything other than a great system whether used in auto or manual mode.
As for the black wheels that is a personal taste issue. They served Porsche pretty well throughout the 70's on cars with the Fuchs option
I will report back later with my initial impressions on my wonky gearbox, invisible wheels and overly obvious stone guards
Bravo. Can't agree more.
Something else I can add:
Magazine reviewers are a writer by trade, they write something before a deadline and then they move onto something else and write, they cannot and do no have the time and effort to get to know stuff. RTFM? It's something foreign to them.
They will trash something that they do not get or understand, prime example was the iDrive on the original 7. They think it's too complicated because they didn't read the manual. How hard can it be when my son can master it in a day WITHOUT reading the manual?
Magazines are good for gathering objective facts, but for subjective feels, you simply cannot trust someone else, it's YOUR feel, not a magazine writer's.
For gearbox feel, those and some other people have a pre-conceived notion of how a box should work, if the real world differs from their thinking, they will not accept the true and start going negative.
PDK jerky? Yes, it will never be automatic smooth, it's a matter of physical constraint, there is no torque converter to smooth out the jerky-ness and the computer simply will not allow the clutch to slip a lot like humans do in a manual gearbox in order to protect the clutch's life. KiwiCanuck, if that's the 'bad' part you think is a serious flaw, you need your head checked.
Other than that little bother, PDK is the best gearbox there is. Nothing come close. Pick the manual if you enjoy the joy of dancing with both feet on gear changes and the slotting of gears. But nothing will match the speed and agility a PDK provides in power delivery, not even the tiptronic can match it, let alone manual boxes.
Mar 5, 2012 9:16:11 AM
- KiwiCanuck
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Re: My 991 C2S
Hello Ferdie,
Of course it does NOT prove ISUK's overly generalizing point...that 'Top Porsche Mags are not objective'.
The Top UK three...'total 911', '911 & Porsche world', and 'GT PORSCHE' report in detail about the lack of quality including '7 to 6 sometimes 4' of the 991 manual in Jan/Feb of 2012...and that the PDK is now excellent...also noted by the Porsche-Canada guys [manual is good but not intuitive...needs practice and concentration].
On PDKs...The double clutch trans [Manual-Auto] in the new Bimmer 6 series is still not smooth...no idea on any Mag reporting...not very interested in that brand.
KiwiCanuk
Mar 5, 2012 9:56:51 AM
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ISUK
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Re: My 991 C2S
KiwiCanuck:
Hello Ferdie,
Of course it does NOT prove ISUK's overly generalizing point...that 'Top Porsche Mags are not objective'.
The Top UK three...'total 911', '911 & Porsche world', and 'GT PORSCHE' report in detail about the lack of quality including '7 to 6 sometimes 4' of the 991 manual in Jan/Feb of 2012...and that the PDK is now excellent...also noted by the Porsche-Canada guys [manual is good but not intuitive...needs practice and concentration].
On PDKs...The double clutch trans [Manual-Auto] in the new Bimmer 6 series is still not smooth...no idea on any Mag reporting...not very interested in that brand.
KiwiCanuk
I never even mentioned any Porsche specific magazines 
please listen and learn 
Mar 6, 2012 3:08:00 AM
- dr.j
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Carlos from Spain
Re: My 991 C2S
Thanks for sharing your impressions of the manual, great to have an insightful, positive owner review after all the journalistic nonsense. Your description of the somewhat short throw, lever position, spacing and clutch feel to me sound like the key ingredients for a highly enjoyable drive. 
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