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    Re: GT3 RS 4.0

    964C2:
    nberry:

     I do not understand the fuss about this car. It cost as much as the GT2RS and if I am correct the GT2RS is faster. The GT3 3.8 is almost as fast and about 40% cheaper.

    What is the attraction? They are making only 600 of them? Big deal; most of these track Porsche's look alike. Why in god name would anyone pay $60-$70,000 more for this car?

    Nick, don't resist, just give yourself over to the "Force" Smiley

     Smiley You summed it up perfectly.Smiley


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    Re: GT3 RS 4.0

    nberry:
    964C2:
    nberry:

     I do not understand the fuss about this car. It cost as much as the GT2RS and if I am correct the GT2RS is faster. The GT3 3.8 is almost as fast and about 40% cheaper.

    What is the attraction? They are making only 600 of them? Big deal; most of these track Porsche's look alike. Why in god name would anyone pay $60-$70,000 more for this car?

    Nick, don't resist, just give yourself over to the "Force" Smiley

     Smiley You summed it up perfectly.Smiley

     SmileySmileySmileySmileySmiley Our work here is done Smiley


    Re: GT3 RS 4.0

    nberry:

     I do not understand the fuss about this car. It cost as much as the GT2RS and if I am correct the GT2RS is faster. The GT3 3.8 is almost as fast and about 40% cheaper.

    What is the attraction? They are making only 600 of them? Big deal; most of these track Porsche's look alike. Why in god name would anyone pay $60-$70,000 more for this car?

     

    Let me help you with the basic math:

    GT2 RS (inc Carbon Fenders standard on 4.0 RS) MSRP: $251,840 +35% over RS 4.0

    GT3 RS 4.0: $185,950  +37% over GT3 RS

    GT3 RS (Carbon fenders not available so I'll be kind and leave them out): $135,500

    The rest you'll have to sort out on your own.  Smiley


    Re: GT3 RS 4.0

    My bad. I read the 195,000 Euro's in dollars.Smiley

    That said, my argument is even stronger considering that the new Corvette Z06 spanks the 4.0 by a huge margin and costs $100,000.Smiley So again, why the fuss over the GT3RS4.0?Smiley 


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    Re: GT3 RS 4.0

    nberry:

    ... That said, my argument is even stronger considering that the new Corvette Z06 spanks the 4.0 by a huge margin and costs $100,000.Smiley So again, why the fuss over the GT3RS4.0?Smiley

    Say what?  That statement needs more than a little explanation.

     

    Edit:  you must be talking about the Z06 @ the ring thread.


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    Re: GT3 RS 4.0

    nberry:

    My bad. I read the 195,000 Euro's in dollars.Smiley

    That said, my argument is even stronger considering that the new Corvette Z06 spanks the 4.0 by a huge margin and costs $100,000.Smiley So again, why the fuss over the GT3RS4.0?Smiley 


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    Re: GT3 RS 4.0

    While I am very impressed with the ZO6's 'ring time, and performance in general, there is no doubt I would rather own the RS 4.0. I don't think this has been mentioned, but the time for the ZO6 was acheived with a flying start, I believe that Porsche uses standing start times. Not sure if this would account for 5 seconds, would be great to see a back to back comparo.


    Re: GT3 RS 4.0

    I believe it is fair to say that the 4.0 is a track car. That being the case the measure of its value is performance. Since the Corvette Z06 is both, I don't understand how anyone can argue driving characteristics should be the measure rather than bottom line performance.Smiley


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    Re: GT3 RS 4.0

    Nick, you're just messing with us, aren't you?
    You can't seriously think that the Z06 is worth the same as the RS4.0, just because it supposedly annihalates it on the 'ring. That is the same as saying that a Lotus Seven is worth the same as a Ferrari Enzo because the laptimes are roughly the same (just by means of example, don't know whether the performance actually is equal)


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    Re: GT3 RS 4.0

    trip:

    While I am very impressed with the ZO6's 'ring time, and performance in general, there is no doubt I would rather own the RS 4.0. I don't think this has been mentioned, but the time for the ZO6 was acheived with a flying start, I believe that Porsche uses standing start times. Not sure if this would account for 5 seconds, would be great to see a back to back comparo.

    I think Porsche uses Flying Laps too.  The original Z06 was 20 sec slower with a standing start, but I think this was an unusual approach to timing (they now also use Flying Laps).


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    Re: GT3 RS 4.0

    2011 Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0 video by Autoweek...

    ...turn up the volume!

    Smiley SmileySmiley


    Re: GT3 RS 4.0

    No, I am not. The 4.0 is a track car and its value should be judged by its performance on a track. The Enzo is not a track car but a super car for all occasions. 


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    Re: GT3 RS 4.0

    nberry:

    No, I am not. The 4.0 is a track car and its value should be judged by its performance on a track. The Enzo is not a track car but a super car for all occasions. 

    I'm sorry but this statement is a bit ridiculous. As all reviewers have stated, the 4.0 is firm, but still useable on the road, and much more of a daily driver than the Enzo. Yes I would like to see the 4.0 beat the ZO6 on the track, but let's wait for a real comparison. Regardless of the outcome, the 4.0 is far more desireable imho.
     


    Re: GT3 RS 4.0

    nberry:

    I believe it is fair to say that the 4.0 is a track car. That being the case the measure of its value is performance. Since the Corvette Z06 is both, I don't understand how anyone can argue driving characteristics should be the measure rather than bottom line performance.Smiley

     First, there is a huge difference in precision and drive feel. Second, there is a huge difference in solidity and the ability to use the cars very hard, not just for one or two laps but for many in a row. I know a car enthusiast who optimizes Corvettes and drives them really, really fast. Even him says that after a smaller number of laps the chassis of a Corvette gets so soft that you can no longer do fast laps... And this statement is from the mouth of a true Corvette lover.

    In essence, the Corvettes are cheap and fast. But the GT models are the best. It is as simple as that Smiley


    Re: GT3 RS 4.0

    nberry:

    I believe it is fair to say that the 4.0 is a track car. That being the case the measure of its value is performance. Since the Corvette Z06 is both, I don't understand how anyone can argue driving characteristics should be the measure rather than bottom line performance.Smiley

     Forgot to mention: a GT3 4.0 or a GT2 RS are, of course, faster on the track than the Corvettes. You should not compare "claimed" lap times and magazine test results. 


    Re: GT3 RS 4.0

     Look I am a rehabilitated Porsche guy. However, I do let facts get in the way of my personal biases.

    I suspect you are correct that over several laps the Porsche will "outlast" the Corvette because of the quality and engineering. But real world driving rarely involves several laps or corners for that matter. The Corvette is an everyday car which trounces (performance wise) cars that cost two to three times as much. Unfortunately, Porsche's are one of its victims.

    Of course we can wait for HvS to get his hands one and he may even the scales.


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    Re: GT3 RS 4.0

    nberry:

    The Corvette is an everyday car which trounces (performance wise) cars that cost two to three times as much.

    That is certainly true. You get a lot of value with these cars.

    But still: if you want the best you need to get a GT Porsche Smiley You will always know that you got the best. You will get the utmost reliability and solidity. You will get the best lap times - also after many laps. You will also get 100% usable power for a 600km trip on the Autobahn. At the same time you will also know that you paid a high price for all that Smiley

    On the other hand: why should the price be lower in an efficient market? Quality always comes at a certain price...


    Re: GT3 RS 4.0

     Agreed.

    I would not trade my wife's turbo for the Z06 even though it cost twice as much. Still waiting for Porsche version of the 458, McLaren and Lambo.


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    Re: GT3 RS 4.0

    2011 Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0 video by Autocar...

    The venerable Porsche 911 (997) is set to be replaced next year. And with that comes a range of special editions. This one could be the best yet. It's limited to just 600 units, gets revised suspension and a 4.0-litre engine that pulls better than ever - "spectacularly good" as Matt Prior describes it here...

    Smiley SmileySmiley 


    Re: GT3 RS 4.0

    2011 Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0 video by Car magazine...

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    "Watch Jethro Bovingdon's video review of the new Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0. It's a fitting swansong to the current, 997 family of 911s - one final blast before the new 991 arrives at the 2011 Frankfurt motor show.

    The RS 4.0 costs £128,466 and Porsche will build just 600 of them (they're already sold out, sadly). That's a lot for a 911, but it is the last we'll see of the 'Metzger' flat six, the legendary motorsport engine that powered many of the finest Porsches of recent years and which won the Le Mans GT1 category in 1998. What a send-off..."

    ...thanks and credit to Jethro Bovingdon!

    Smiley SmileySmiley


    Re: GT3 RS 4.0

    MKSGR:
    Quality always comes at a certain price...

    That sums it up.  With Porsche, most of the premium cost is quality.  With Ferrari its mostly style and exclusivity.  With Corvette, its bang for the buck.

    I know I'm no expert here - you guys know way more than I do (including Nick ), but I think with Porsche (particularly in the GT cars) you get a more solid ready-to-track construction, that other street car builds short cut.  That's been my impression particularly with corvettes (at least in the past). 

    For example, I know a fairly capable DE instructor who's been driving a vette for years out of love for the all-american icon that it is.  He's been reparing, replacing, upgrading all kinds of components on his dearest love for years.  His first and smartest investment was a trailer so he could get it home reliably...

    (He has finally switch over to a 2005 997.1 C2S though, but that's not really my point.)

    To paraphrase Ben Collins during his comparison of the GT2RS, MP4-12C, 458, SLS, R8v10, and Gallardo:  "the Porsche is the only one I would treat this way lap after lap."


    Re: GT3 RS 4.0

    Boxster Coupe GTS:

    2011 Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0 video by Autoweek...



    IMO these silver-grey decals ruin the whole appearance of the black car. Smiley
     


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    Re: GT3 RS 4.0

    nberry:

     Agreed.

    I would not trade my wife's turbo for the Z06 even though it cost twice as much.


    For what it´s worth, the laprecord was set by a Corvette ZR1.
     


    Re: GT3 RS 4.0

     The Z06 did the Ring in 7.22 and costs about $74,000. The Z01 I believe was around 7.19 and it costs around $104,000.


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    Re: GT3 RS 4.0

    Nick, get informed...

    Both laptimes have been posted by the ZR1, albeit with different tires and presumably a few other modifications.


    Re: GT3 RS 4.0

    Ferdie:

    Nick, get informed...

    Both laptimes have been posted by the ZR1, albeit with different tires and presumably a few other modifications.

    Nick is right - the 7:22.68 time was set by the Z06 with Z07 performance package (costs $10k for Michelin Cups, Ferrari Enzo's Carbon brakes and F599's magnetic suspension) - total cost $85k.  It was only 3 sec slower than ZR1.

    Also, the car was supposedly in totally stock configuration (including the OEM Run-Flat version of Michelin Cups and stock suspension alignment).

    http://www.autoblog.com/2011/06/23/2012-chevrolet-corvette-z06-laps-the-ring-in-7-22-68-shaves-20/

     


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    Re: GT3 RS 4.0

    I don't understand the whole discussion around NBR times - I would like to see if a RT user would be able to run below 8 min even with a car that can do 7.30 etc....so what is the point ? Anybody who can drive his Porsche at 10/10th is already a very very good driver and I've seen people on the track with their expensive toys that got overtaken by far less capable cars......- so no matter what you buy - Corvette or Porsche most people should invest their money in their own skills......I for my part I am far away of what my RS can do - certainly on NBR.... - would be fun to meet with a few hot posters running against eachother - one in a corvette and one in a porsche.... 


    Re: GT3 RS 4.0

    Grant:

    Nick is right - the 7:22.68 time was set by the Z06 with Z07 performance package


    My bad, I missed those news. Thought he was still referring to the previous ZR1 time on Goodyear tires. Certainly a good value, even better than the supercharged model albeit not significantly slower than that.


     


    Re: GT3 RS 4.0

    BjoernB:

    I don't understand the whole discussion around NBR times - I would like to see if a RT user would be able to run below 8 min even with a car that can do 7.30 etc....so what is the point ? Anybody who can drive his Porsche at 10/10th is already a very very good driver and I've seen people on the track with their expensive toys that got overtaken by far less capable cars......- so no matter what you buy - Corvette or Porsche most people should invest their money in their own skills......I for my part I am far away of what my RS can do - certainly on NBR.... - would be fun to meet with a few hot posters running against eachother - one in a corvette and one in a porsche.... 

     That is spot on Smiley but people love to debate and have passionate talks and argue about theory Smiley

    Anyway, I have seen Corvettes going much faster then GT3's on the Ring Smiley


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    Re: GT3 RS 4.0

    ...I take my 997 to the race track and I am comfortable to enjoy the car on the weekends and drive to the office on monday again. I have not yet come across another car brand, where I would do this...my car has no mods whatsoever, is just plain stock and it simply gives me a great peace of mind. Therefore, taking money out of the equation, I would surely go for the RS 4.0 instead of the Corvette, just because I feel more confident that the P. will do a trackday in Hockenheim without problems and will take me back to my home thereafter.

     
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