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    Maybe this is Tesla's future? I wouldn't underestimate Elon Musk.

    http://money.cnn.com/2017/07/07/technology/tesla-elon-musk-australia-world-biggest-lithium-ion-battery/index.html

    They also sell solar panels (roofs), etc., so...

    Tesla doesn't necessarily have to stay automotive tech.


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    I looked into the solar panel roof and priced it up. Might have done it since we are extending the summer house and could work on the whole roof at that occasion, unfortunately they are not really available yet and we have already poured the foundation so we scraped the solar idea. Anyhow the math is barely break even, you dont do it for the money.


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    SciFrog:

    I looked into the solar panel roof and priced it up. Might have done it since we are extending the summer house and could work on the whole roof at that occasion, unfortunately they are not really available yet and we have already poured the foundation so we scraped the solar idea. Anyhow the math is barely break even, you dont do it for the money.

    Smiley Going green never really pays off but it helps your conscience (and with some luck the environment as well). Smiley

    Lately however, I am not quite sure what to do. My electricity/heating bill is around 10000 EUR a year, so maybe it would be wise to start to install some solar stuff...or sell the house and get a condo. Smiley


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    You might get more from a geothermal system than solar...


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    SciFrog:

    You might get more from a geothermal system than solar...

    Not possible in my home (I am on a small hill and apparently it is not easily doable, already asked...).

    It makes more sense to sell my house and buy something else (new). Not interested in a house anymore (told you before), I love a nice luxury condo with A/C and a lot of space. Cheaper to maintain and safer. Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


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    A maybe even better neighbors, more like minded.


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    Carlos from Spain:

    A maybe even better neighbors, more like minded.

    Smiley Smiley

    Weird: My McLaren neighbor still has his 12C Spider. Didn't talk to him for a while but he wanted a R8 V10 Plus Spyder or a Huracan Performante. Now I kind of get the feeling that he is going for a 720S Spider because otherwise he would have already sold his 12C (just a guess though).


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    Oh well...

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/teslas-hong-kong-sales-gutted-by-tax-change-1499598003


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    So much hype and now...

    https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/car-startup-faraday-future-halts-north-las-vegas-factory-plan-amid-cash-troubles-is-wor...


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    What Musk has done is simply amazing. He started with a large fortune, went all in and still almost went bankrupt.

    You can dislike the cars or the technology, but he did something everyone said was imposssible.


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    SciFrog:

    What Musk has done is simply amazing. He started with a large fortune, went all in and still almost went bankrupt.

    You can dislike the cars or the technology, but he did something everyone said was imposssible.

    I admire Musk for his cojones, no doubt about it. Me? I would have retired after my first 50 Mio.. Smiley Smiley

    However, as much as I love his pioneering spirit, I hope he isn't blinded by his own success.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


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    RC:
    SciFrog:

    What Musk has done is simply amazing. He started with a large fortune, went all in and still almost went bankrupt.

    You can dislike the cars or the technology, but he did something everyone said was imposssible.

    I admire Musk for his cojones, no doubt about it. Me? I would have retired after my first 50 Mio.. Smiley Smiley

    However, as much as I love his pioneering spirit, I hope he isn't blinded by his own success.

    His first $50m? The guy made more than that from Zip in '99, let alone PayPal etc... He's confident he'll make more money from SpaceX than from Tesla anyways.


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    Could be wrong but he made like $400mio before Tesla, and yet almost lost it all...


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    Mithras:
    RC:
    SciFrog:

    What Musk has done is simply amazing. He started with a large fortune, went all in and still almost went bankrupt.

    You can dislike the cars or the technology, but he did something everyone said was imposssible.

    I admire Musk for his cojones, no doubt about it. Me? I would have retired after my first 50 Mio.. Smiley Smiley

    However, as much as I love his pioneering spirit, I hope he isn't blinded by his own success.

    His first $50m? The guy made more than that from Zip in '99, let alone PayPal etc... He's confident he'll make more money from SpaceX than from Tesla anyways.

    You didn't understand. I was referring to myself. First 50 Mio. and gone to Miami in a nice condo at the beach, enjoying life (with my wife) and cars and supporting my kids.

    This is why I said I admire Musk. Smiley


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    RC:

    Oh well...

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/teslas-hong-kong-sales-gutted-by-tax-change-1499598003

     

    That's the major problem.

    It was selling well in HK only due to the fact that the government doesn't tax the car, so in effect they are selling at half price to comparable cars. Without the tax break it moves back into the proper bracket and no one wants to pay that price for such a car.

    The charging infrastructure is also not there yet. Most people lives in apartments with common parking, HOA are hesitant to even let owners install their own chargers, because of the electricity cost that would be shared by the whole building. To charge a Tesla they go to public parking lots where there are charging stations, but sometimes there will be a lineup waiting. 

     


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    These are ridiculous reportings. They sold 3,000 cars in April before the change, as much as the last 6 months of 32016. Zero in April, duh, they sold them in March... This says nothing about future Tesla sales in HK except they will be lower since the price rose, the anomaly was the number of sales before, not what they will be...


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    Now Volvo will kill Tesla. Who would have thought indecision


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    Volvos is mostly talking hybrid in the near term... Tesla is still laughing about that probably.


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    Actually I was joking, for a change. But I just read this indecision

    "Volvo also announced it would launch five new electric and hybrid cars between 2019 and 2021, and that two of those will be made by Polestar, which the company recently announced would become its own subsidiary and brand selling performance EVs, likely to compete with high-end Tesla models."


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    SciFrog:

    What Musk has done is simply amazing. He started with a large fortune, went all in and still almost went bankrupt.

    You can dislike the cars or the technology, but he did something everyone said was imposssible.

    He is to be admired i agree. I don't know the figures but how much of the sale or ex factory price cost of a Tesla is subsidised by the government / tax payer in comparison to an old school car from Detroit which I know is also subsidised?


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    They might still get some zero emissions credits, but they were dwindling. Besides that, no idea.


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    RC:
    Mithras:
    RC:
    SciFrog:

    What Musk has done is simply amazing. He started with a large fortune, went all in and still almost went bankrupt.

    You can dislike the cars or the technology, but he did something everyone said was imposssible.

    I admire Musk for his cojones, no doubt about it. Me? I would have retired after my first 50 Mio.. Smiley Smiley

    However, as much as I love his pioneering spirit, I hope he isn't blinded by his own success.

    His first $50m? The guy made more than that from Zip in '99, let alone PayPal etc... He's confident he'll make more money from SpaceX than from Tesla anyways.

    You didn't understand. I was referring to myself. First 50 Mio. and gone to Miami in a nice condo at the beach, enjoying life (with my wife) and cars and supporting my kids.

    This is why I said I admire Musk. Smiley

    Ohhh... On that point RC you and I are in total agreement. Smiley Keep a place in Toronto and move to somewhere near my brother in law who's in SF. Have a bunch of friends that live between SF and Monterey. Perfect weather, good roads...

    When I was a little kid, when people asked what I wanted to be when I grew up I always said "Rich and Unemployed." It made my dad so angry but now I"m grown up and I still just want to be rich and unemployed. Go out to lunch with my wife, take the kids to school, have time to cook every day, minimize stress. And have a nice house, some nice cars and not have to worry about being able to afford the watch I just lusted over.Smiley 


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    I find it quite entertaining that VW CEO express a statement like. "We can stop Tesla". It's just a different way of saying that Tesla are doing things right and that transition to EVs will move as quick as possible.


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    Interesting lecture regarding disruptive tech changes and why the transition to BEVs will move much faster than many predictions...

    Highly recommended to watch.

     

     


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    lukestern:

    I find it quite entertaining that VW CEO express a statement like. "We can stop Tesla". It's just a different way of saying that Tesla are doing things right and that transition to EVs will move as quick as possible.

    I find it quite stupid that the VW CEO actually says something like that. I get it, he probably gets bombarded by politicians, colleagues, unions, etc. every single day about how Tesla is the future and how successful they are but it seems to have created some sort of complex. Smiley

    VW should pursue their ELV course (if they have one Smiley) at a fast(er) pace and they shouldn't necessarily look at Tesla. VW cannot beat Tesla in the US, nobody buys a VW ELV instead of a Tesla in the US, VWs reputation is too damaged for that and they never really had a very good reputation in the US to begin with.

    Audi, Porsche? Different story. Yes, I think they can "beat" Tesla but only with a "normal" design (not too exaggerated or ugly), attractive tech and especially new and maybe even innovative charging and battery tech.

    I said it before: Tesla is done at some point (unless they come up with something revolutionary) but copying Tesla won't help the current car manufacturers to really penetrate the markets.


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    The real issue is the selling price point and conservation of margins. TSLA shareholders are not that focused on profits yet as the company is treated like a tech startup, but VW group and others simply cannot sell today EV cars at a competitive price without destroying margins. That's also why they want Tesla to fail. I think they are afraid, very afraid because EV are coming faster than anticipated, just look in this forum how many have made the jump and love it. I almost did it but didn't because there was no X 100D model, only P100D, but that has now changed, there is a faster 100D model than before and some hardware is getting better every 6 months (unlike traditional car manufacturers that only upgrade their car every 3-4 years).


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    EV's are coming faster than anticipated and battery shortages will be greater than expected. Tesla has a yuuge jump on the competition, even-though they need to improve their interiors and driving dynamics. 


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    rhino:

    EV's are coming faster than anticipated and battery shortages will be greater than expected. Tesla has a yuuge jump on the competition, even-though they need to improve their interiors and driving dynamics. 

     

    One can consider Tesla right now is like the muscle cars of 60s.

    Shit interior, can't corner but it will go real fast in a straight line, which by all accounts, is the only thing most American cares. 

    Pretty sure the Germans will do EV with agility, something that handles AND with a nice interior, in addition to straight line performance. Sort of like the old import sports cars displacing the muscle cars in the old days. 

    History is repeating itself.

     


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