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    Re: SF 90 Stradale is staggeringly fast and beautiful.

    crayphile:
    RC:
    Agreed. I am still thinking about getting an Aventador or a F12 at some point in the future, used Aventador prices are already pretty low, the F12 is not much different but I am a little bit scared of maintenance cost. 👀

    The gearbox on the Aventador means that you would have to go for the F12.

    I'm afraid so but even the current Aventador S gets cheaper and cheaper (used cars), so tempting.

    My dealer offered me a SVJ Coupe for autumn delivery, at MSRP, maybe a percent or two below it, this never has happened before. Too many SVJ I'm afraid.

    On the other hand, the Urus is very successful: They sold a used car with 40k km for only 5k EUR under MSRP, unbelievable. This thing sells like crazy... 


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    Re: SF 90 Stradale is staggeringly fast and beautiful.

    RC:
    crayphile:
    RC:
    Agreed. I am still thinking about getting an Aventador or a F12 at some point in the future, used Aventador prices are already pretty low, the F12 is not much different but I am a little bit scared of maintenance cost. 👀

    The gearbox on the Aventador means that you would have to go for the F12.

    I'm afraid so but even the current Aventador S gets cheaper and cheaper (used cars), so tempting.

    My dealer offered me a SVJ Coupe for autumn delivery, at MSRP, maybe a percent or two below it, this never has happened before. Too many SVJ I'm afraid.

    On the other hand, the Urus is very successful: They sold a used car with 40k km for only 5k EUR under MSRP, unbelievable. This thing sells like crazy... 


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    Margins should be greater for the Urus based on its shared components within its sister brands than the margins on the Aventador which shares very little with any other vehicle in the Volkswagen Group stable.  That's why it was saddled with the ISR transmission instead of a DCT.  That transmission configuration is unique in the automotive realm.  


    Re: SF 90 Stradale is staggeringly fast and beautiful.

    RC:
    On the other hand, the Urus is very successful: They sold a used car with 40k km for only 5k EUR under MSRP, unbelievable. This thing sells like crazy... 

    Yes, the Urus is unbelievably good. it's rare a car exceeds expectations but the Urus does. The Purosangue has its work cut out.


    Re: SF 90 Stradale is staggeringly fast and beautiful.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wxz6wd8MqSc

     


    Re: SF 90 Stradale is staggeringly fast and beautiful.

    Top Gear track:

    SF90 Stradale(AF pack): 1:11.30(-1.40s) (Cup2 R)
    ...........................488 Pista: 1:12.70 (tires?)

    CH verdict:

    Too many electronics for his taste. He worries about the future cars because they will follow the SF90 steps.

    ESC Off was nearly undrivable, even for him. The car was very inconsistent in that mode, very hard to predict the electric motors power


    Re: SF 90 Stradale is staggeringly fast and beautiful.

    Topspeed:

    Top Gear track:

    SF90 Stradale: 1:11.30(-1.40s) (Cup2 R)
    .........488 Pista: 1:12.70 (tires?)

    CH verdict:

    Too many electronics for his taste. He worries about the future cars because they will follow the SF90 steps.

    ESC Off was nearly undrivable, even for him. The car was very inconsistent in that mode, very hard to predict the electric motors power delivery.

    Interesting - if the Pista was not on R tires, then the times are about the same.


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    Re: SF 90 Stradale is staggeringly fast and beautiful.

    Not quite what CH said. With all the systems off he said he had to "predict which way the computers are going to split the power front to rear. Too much steering angle and it robs power, too little steering angle and it goes straight on." It's the way the car was apportioning power across the AWD system that was catching him out as he found it unpredictable.


    Re: SF 90 Stradale is staggeringly fast and beautiful.

    ISUK:

    Not quite what CH said. With all the systems off he said he had to "predict which way the computers are going to split the power front to rear. Too much steering angle and it robs power, too little steering angle and it goes straight on." It's the way the car was apportioning power across the AWD system that was catching him out as he found it unpredictable.

     

    I wonder if Ferrari is using the same algorithm as Porsche's. Or at least similar one in car control theory.

    i.e. Power split front and back is highly dependant on steering wheel angle. 

    For those that have tried Ice-Force, they would know in a slide, couter-steering into the slide tells the car you want to save the car and it send much more power to the front to pull the car straight, in the Ferrari's case it cuts the power to reduce the slide and trying to straighten the car. Turning into the slide means telling the car you want more angle and it will send more power to the rear, keeping the wheel more or less straight tells the car everything is fine.

     


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    Re: SF 90 Stradale is staggeringly fast and beautiful.

    These new drive trains are going to require us all to reprogram our responses and driving inputs.


    Re: SF 90 Stradale is staggeringly fast and beautiful.

    Harris also said that in the end of that day, he drove a Ferrari that sorted everything, but they could not sell it


    Re: SF 90 Stradale is staggeringly fast and beautiful.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su0GnFwTsaY

     


    Re: SF 90 Stradale is staggeringly fast and beautiful.

    crayphile:

    These new drive trains are going to require us all to reprogram our responses and driving inputs.

     

    That's the truth.

    One time at Ice-Force one of the guys in my group play with rally cars for fun, he was doing what he does normally, but the car's response screw him up badly, enough that he just parked the car and be done with the day. But the next day after some questions regarding the car's reaction, he got the hang of it.

    I also had the turbo so sideways, I 'knew' it was hopeless to save. But inside the car was one of the instructors and all he said was pedal to the floor and counter steer, completely opposite to my instinct, but somehow, the car saved itself with those inputs. Literally the ass of the car was leading the drift yet by just mashing the throttle the car pulled itself straight in no time, like magic. Almost physics defying. 

     

     


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    Re: SF 90 Stradale is staggeringly fast and beautiful.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXysipmTxcQ

     


    Re: SF 90 Stradale is staggeringly fast and beautiful.

    I have to admit that the SF90 is the first new high tech sports car which really attracts me. Like a perfect combo of a classic sportscar and a...gadget. indecision 


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    Re: SF 90 Stradale is staggeringly fast and beautiful.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnrtWe-RAzg


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    Re: SF 90 Stradale is staggeringly fast and beautiful.

    Grant:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnrtWe-RAzg


    I like him. Smiley


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    Re: SF 90 Stradale is staggeringly fast and beautiful.

    Ferrari SF90 Spider
     


     


     







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    Re: SF 90 Stradale is staggeringly fast and beautiful.

    I like it but...

    PREIS & MOTOR DES FERRARI SF90 SPIDER (2021)
    Einen konkreten Preis hat der Ferrari SF90 Spider (2021) noch nicht. Sicher ist nur, dass er mehr als der Stradale kosten wird, der bei 407.355 Euro (Stand: November 2020) eingepreist ist. Zukünftige Besitzer können sich nicht nur über einen exklusiven Platz an der Sonne und einen hochpotenten Hybridantrieb, sondern auch über ein modernes Cockpit freuen. Ein gebogener 16-Zoll-Bildschirm informiert den Fahrer über alle nötigen Parameter. Die Bedienung erfolgt über Bedienelemente auf dem Lenkrad. Informationen zum Marktstart des Ferrari SF90 Spider bleibt Ferrari zwar noch schuldig, er dürfte aber – ohne sich zu weit aus dem Fenster zu lehnen – ein Highlight der Open-Air-Saison 2021 werden.

    PRICE & ENGINE OF THE FERRARI SF90 SPIDER (2021)
    The Ferrari SF90 Spider (2021) does not yet have a specific price. The only thing that is certain is that it will cost more than the Stradale, which is priced at 407,355 euros (as of November 2020). Future owners can look forward not only to an exclusive place in the sun and a highly potent hybrid drive, but also to a modern cockpit. A curved 16-inch screen informs the driver of all the necessary parameters. It is operated using controls on the steering wheel. Ferrari still owes information on the market launch of the Ferrari SF90 Spider, but it should be a highlight of the open-air season 2021 - without leaning too far out of the window.

    https://www.autozeitung.de/ferrari-sf90-spider-2021-preis-reichweite-199278.html

     


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    Re: SF 90 Stradale is staggeringly fast and beautiful.

    IMO that's the best looking Ferrari in a while. The in-house design team is doing a fantastic job. 


    Re: SF 90 Stradale is staggeringly fast and beautiful.

    Enmanuel:

    IMO that's the best looking Ferrari in a while. The in-house design team is doing a fantastic job. 

    Well behind the Monza on that account. I agree it looks a lot better than the coupe largely because some of the redundant design space at the rear it taken up by the roof mechanism and associated buttresses.


    Re: SF 90 Stradale is staggeringly fast and beautiful.

    Looks like a Corvette. 


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    Re: SF 90 Stradale is staggeringly fast and beautiful.

    nberry:

    Looks like a Corvette. 

    Smiley


    Re: SF 90 Stradale is staggeringly fast and beautiful.

    It also looks just like a GT2 


    Re: SF 90 Stradale is staggeringly fast and beautiful.

    Leawood911:

    It also looks just like a GT2 

    It also looks like a...car? Smiley Smiley Smiley


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    Re: SF 90 Stradale is staggeringly fast and beautiful.

    RC:
    Leawood911:

    It also looks just like a GT2 

    It also looks like a...car? Smiley Smiley Smiley

    Some gold wheel humor. Try to keep up. 


    Re: SF 90 Stradale is staggeringly fast and beautiful.

    crayphile:
    Enmanuel:

    IMO that's the best looking Ferrari in a while. The in-house design team is doing a fantastic job. 

    Well behind the Monza on that account. I agree it looks a lot better than the coupe largely because some of the redundant design space at the rear it taken up by the roof mechanism and associated buttresses.

    Oh you're right the Monza! Forgot about that for a second, #1 spot still belongs to it for sure. 


    Re: SF 90 Stradale is staggeringly fast and beautiful.

    Leawood911:
    RC:
    Leawood911:

    It also looks just like a GT2 

    It also looks like a...car? Smiley Smiley Smiley

    Some gold wheel humor. Try to keep up. 

    Smiley


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    Re: SF 90 Stradale is staggeringly fast and beautiful.

    nberry:

    Looks like a Corvette. 

    Smiley. You are beyond redemption my friend - I accept you as you are though Smiley.


    Re: SF 90 Stradale is staggeringly fast and beautiful.

    I did not post there are identical. But the overall appearance especially when a Ferrari is on the opposite side of the road during toward you it’s difficult to separate the two cars. Their silhouette is very similar. 


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    Re: SF 90 Stradale is staggeringly fast and beautiful.

    nberry:

    I did not post there are identical. But the overall appearance especially when a Ferrari is on the opposite side of the road during toward you it’s difficult to separate the two cars. Their silhouette is very similar. 

    Smiley


     
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