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    How long do PCCBs last?

    Hi everyone, as some of you know, I'm on thw waitlist and still waiting for the option list for my GT3. I'm going to need some advice on choosing options. How long will PCCB last on my car? I will be using it as my daily driver, and I do DE about once or twice a month. Should I go for PCCB? I heard replacements are really expensive, so I don't want to bother with it if I'm going to have to replace them in a year. It'd be nice if I can get some heads up on how the car behaves with the michelin cups on wet roads doing around 120km/h (highway). Will they hydroplane easily? I've read quite a bit of reviews saying how they handle like "a bar of soap" in the wet, but I don't know at what speed does the car handle like a bar of soap.

    Thanks for the advice!

    Re: How long do PCCBs last?

    Clearly the answer lies with you. How many Porsches have you owned before this one? Are you a top 5 finisher? Are you highly competitive? I have driven Porsches since I was 19 years old, and have never had to buy a new rotor in my life for any Porsche. I have done autocrossing, and road races (e.g., Hallett) and have used Metalmaster pads (more metal in them) but still never needed to buy a rotor. I personally went with the PCCBs for the weight savings and performance. As time goes on the production process for these rotors will continue to improve, ultimately driving down the prices. The PDE cars reportedly have gone to the PCCBs now with highly successful results. I only have about 3200 miles on mine but I was highly impressed with them.

    Dan

    Re: How long do PCCBs last?

    I also have the PCCB's on my car(only 3200 miles) and find them to be great. Great stopping power and the virtual elimination of brake dust. They are a very expensive option and are definitely not a necessity but are nice to have if price is not an important consideration. You might do better spending the extra $'s on other options. Some drivers prefer to change the PCCB's out when they go on track to save the expense in replacing them. They had a bad rap the first year of production. Yes the PDE have been using them and they get a great amount of wear. The PDE says they are not eperiencing any premature wear.

    Either way you will enjoy the car.

    Re: How long do PCCBs last?

    I too have PCCB's on my C2S and love these things except for one thing. After washing the car and moving it, you get a very big eye-opening experience when they do not respond! When REALLY wet, they don't work well at all. I mean REALLY wet!

    Besides that... These are one hell of a brake system! The more you heat them up, the better they work. In fact, the brake pedal will be at a perfect height when hot and now heel/toe will work better.

    I only have one problem now.. It seems I have a pads that drags now and then. Dealer has not found the problem as I need it to happen, then arrive at dealer for them to hear.

    Even used as a daily driver, I'd get them if you're going to order a GT3! Also, yours will be bigger as well!

    As for the new Cup tires, yes, if the road is really wet with puddles, it can be a bit scary. These tires need to heat up as well and when hot, boy are they sticky! Cold and you run the risk of these not holding on the road well. For daily use, I'd witch tires and keep the Cups for track days.

    Regards,
    Deanski

    Re: How long do PCCBs last?

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    Deanski said:
    As for the new Cup tires, yes, if the road is really wet with puddles, it can be a bit scary. These tires need to heat up as well and when hot, boy are they sticky! Cold and you run the risk of these not holding on the road well. For daily use, I'd witch tires and keep the Cups for track days.

    Regards,
    Deanski


    First personal review I have read about the new Michelin Cup II tires.
    Thanks

    Re: How long do PCCBs last?

    yea i'm thinking about keeping the cup tires for track days too. What other brand besides pirelli pzero rosso hv the same size (235/35/19 305/30/19)? I couldn't find the 305/30/19 size for PS2 online, are they available?

    Re: How long do PCCBs last?

    I have the P Zero Rossos on my C2S now.These seem pretty nice. We shall see on how well they wear.

    Darn, I thought I uploaded my avatar, which is a pic of my black/black C2S with Aero and PCCB along woth yellow seatbelts (that was a must have) to add a splash of color.

    All too often I'm getting people taking pictures of my car with cell cameras. Must be the PCCB's

    Like I said, PCCB's when REALLY wet need to dry off. Be careful when exiting a car wash if that's what you use! Besides that, man I love these brakes! They also have stainless steel "hats" on the rotors!

    Also, get yourself a set of wheel hangers. You NEVER want the wheel to touch the rotor!! For PCCB's you need two.

    Now, go on and check the box for the PCCB's. Hell, you could remove the rotors and install steel if you wanted to. Just remember it's cheaper via factory than dealer. Get them now cheap (if you call $8000.00 cheap) or pay through the nose from a dealer.

    CHeers,
    Deanski

    Re: How long do PCCBs last?

    Quote:
    Deanski said:
    Also, get yourself a set of wheel hangers. You NEVER want the wheel to touch the rotor!! For PCCB's you need two.




    What are wheel hangers? Please enlighten me

    Re: How long do PCCBs last?

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    Avantgarde said:
    Quote:
    Deanski said:
    Also, get yourself a set of wheel hangers. You NEVER want the wheel to touch the rotor!! For PCCB's you need two.





    Take a look in the 997 manual. In there is a discussion on the long bolts that you put on the rotor hat in the bolt hole as a guide and a way to hang the wheel so that it doesn't accidently bump up against the rotors as you're changing out the wheels. The ceramic rotors don't like to be bumped.

    Dan
    What are wheel hangers? Please enlighten me


    Re: How long do PCCBs last?

    hmmmm... is it normal to be buying a GT3 at MSRP?

    Re: How long do PCCBs last?

    if you use a lot the car on track don't buy PCCB ,theese discs are wonderful but their life is 25000 km (a lot of trackdays and public roads) remember that a 350mm gt3 cup steel rotor costs 200 euro and a 350 mm pccb costs 4000) .
    If You are a very good driver you can feel the difference ,if not go with the steels. .If you go in the sand one time you must change the pccb rotors .
    but ,If you use the car only in street buy the Pccb ,are wonderful !

    Re: How long do PCCBs last?

    are the 350mm steel rotors direct replacement for the ceramic? or are there any other parts i need to change? i wouldn't mind switching to steel when replacement time comes.

    Re: How long do PCCBs last?

    The original PCCBs wer every prone to chipping from stones and road debris - gravel traps heaven forbid, were their death knell.

    They claim the new versions are much better in this respect but i still hear that they are not indestructible and a lot of owners switch to steel discs and put the carbons back on when part exing / selling on

     
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