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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Whoopsy:
    Of all the cars I have owned, thought about buying or dream about buying, there is only one car ever that I want multiple of. 

    The 918. 

    It is the most complex car ever, most technologically advanced car ever. All future cars will only get simpler and simpler. It was the pinnacle of automotive engineering. 

    Nothing else is worth having more than one. 

    Your devotion to the 918 is endearing and baffling in equal parts. Is it still garaged because of the insurance issues?


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    crayphile:
    Whoopsy:
    Of all the cars I have owned, thought about buying or dream about buying, there is only one car ever that I want multiple of. 

    The 918. 

    It is the most complex car ever, most technologically advanced car ever. All future cars will only get simpler and simpler. It was the pinnacle of automotive engineering. 

    Nothing else is worth having more than one. 

    Your devotion to the 918 is endearing and baffling in equal parts. Is it still garaged because of the insurance issues?

     

    Haha yeah, 918, objectively, like the 959 before, is the technological tour de force from Porsche for it's generation. It's still the fastest 0-60 car even after 6 years and one of the fastest still around tracks. 

    It's a hybrid, mating conventional powerplant with electric propulsion, a bridge car for the two technology, and if the future really is all about EVs, then there will not be a more complex car ever. Taycan already shown how fast an EV can be.

    Insurance, winter, covid, all conspire to keep it stationary, don't have anywhere to go. My son forbid me from taking him to school in the 918🤷🏻‍♂️ Police also constantly harasses me when I am out in the 918, so the fastest car can only go the slowest, how ironic.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Enmanuel:
    TB993tt:

    The guy who bought my 993 has taken it even further, new GT2EVO arch kit and BIG wheels, full interior etc


    For those of you who like older aircooled check out his insta kiss

    https://www.instagram.com/blackbettyandco/?hl=en

    Looks great, except for that exaggerated camber on the front wheels.

    I'm pretty sure that wasn't done for the visuals.  With the right suspension and tires, you need that much front camber on a 911 with its McPherson strut front suspension.  This is one of the reasons that the 992 GT3 will have Double Wishbones for the first time (front suspension will gain negative camber under load like the multi-link rear does).


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Grant:
    Enmanuel:
    TB993tt:

    The guy who bought my 993 has taken it even further, new GT2EVO arch kit and BIG wheels, full interior etc

    For those of you who like older aircooled check out his insta kiss

    https://www.instagram.com/blackbettyandco/?hl=en

    Looks great, except for that exaggerated camber on the front wheels.

    I'm pretty sure that wasn't done for the visuals.  With the right suspension and tires, you need that much front camber on a 911 with its McPherson strut front suspension.  This is one of the reasons that the 992 GT3 will have Double Wishbones for the first time (front suspension will gain negative camber under load like the multi-link rear does).

    Interesting, I did not know that. Thanks for the bit of info. 


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

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    Switchbacks like this, I do not want to be in anything other than. 911 turbo S. Not even a GT3RS. 

    The 180s are slow enough that the handling advantage of the RS over a turbo S won't matter, and the turbo S would just rocket out of corners leaving the RS behind. 

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Whoopsy:

    Switchbacks like this, I do not want to be in anything other than. 911 turbo S. Not even a GT3RS. 

    The 180s are slow enough that the handling advantage of the RS over a turbo S won't matter, and the turbo S would just rocket out of corners leaving the RS behind. 

    Better still are tight turns on 10% grades with passing lanes, lots of them on the bigger highways through the mountains in BC... last summer I really enjoyed the turbo's ability to leap past dozens of RVs while cornering at double their speed. 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    or in a Yaris GR Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

     

    Insurance, winter, covid, all conspire to keep it stationary, don't have anywhere to go. My son forbid me from taking him to school in the 918🤷🏻‍♂️ Police also constantly harasses me when I am out in the 918, so the fastest car can only go the slowest, how ironic.

    Haha life is a bitch. Time for a sleeper.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    watt:
     

    Insurance, winter, covid, all conspire to keep it stationary, don't have anywhere to go. My son forbid me from taking him to school in the 918🤷🏻‍♂️ Police also constantly harasses me when I am out in the 918, so the fastest car can only go the slowest, how ironic.

    Haha life is a bitch. Time for a sleeper.

     

    yeah, my pickup Smiley No one cares about the Ridgeline or even look at it, it's invisible.

    Panamera also almost have the same effect, no one really pay much attention to it. 

    Best still is the 3.6. It isn't that fast in modern standard, but it's fast enough hand a handful enough to have some fun.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Whoopsy:
    Leawood911:
    mcdelaug:

    Someone had a good breakfast! LOL...

    I’m just jealous. Been trying and in line for a gt3 at my shitty dealership for 15 years.  After driving Porsches for 40 years that says it all.  

     

    Switch dealer. Your dealer obviously doesn't value customers. But then again if you haven't been buying cars from them then they would lower your standing. Porsche the company may love you as a loyal 'customer', but you are not a customer of Porsche, the dealer is the customer for Porsche and you are just a customer of the dealer.

     

    Smiley Every halfway serious and "capable" dealer should be able to get a GT3 for his customers who want one.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    watt:
     

    Insurance, winter, covid, all conspire to keep it stationary, don't have anywhere to go. My son forbid me from taking him to school in the 918🤷🏻‍♂️ Police also constantly harasses me when I am out in the 918, so the fastest car can only go the slowest, how ironic.

    Haha life is a bitch. Time for a sleeper.

    Get this one as a sleeper... Smiley

    Neighbor just asked me yesterday why I got a Jeep because he thought I am more into fast cars. Smiley Smiley

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    Ha...I did it. I smuggled a Jeep pic into the 911 Turbo S thread. Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    RC:
    watt:
     

    Insurance, winter, covid, all conspire to keep it stationary, don't have anywhere to go. My son forbid me from taking him to school in the 918🤷🏻‍♂️ Police also constantly harasses me when I am out in the 918, so the fastest car can only go the slowest, how ironic.

    Haha life is a bitch. Time for a sleeper.

    Get this one as a sleeper... Smiley

    Neighbor just asked me yesterday why I got a Jeep because he thought I am more into fast cars. Smiley Smiley

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    Ha...I did it. I smuggled a Jeep pic into the 911 Turbo S thread. Smiley


     

    Imagine taking that "jeep" off road, breaking the front valance off, scraping the bottom and getting it dirty and stuck obviously.  Let's smuggle a Raptor on - nearly as fast cruises at 110 on the road,and goes in a foot of snow with Hakkas.Smiley

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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Smiley Smiley Smiley

    Just yesterday, I was talking to my son (again) what car he wants when he is 18 (next summer). He is still oscillating in his desires, he always wanted the RAM 1500 because he is very tall and he thinks it would suit him better, also he likes the V8. Then, he met a local car collector's son here, he drives an Alfa Romeo Giulia and he wanted one. Now he is back to pickup trucks, his favorite one is the RAM 1500 TRX of course but, as he told me yesterday, he would also settle with a Raptor. Smiley I have a very modest son, don't I? Smiley

    Truth is: Since I have a US car with a monster engine again, I realize how much I missed it. I already have a sports car in the garage and these monster engine SUVs or pickup trucks are so much fun to drive, especially in bad weather but also when you just want to have a stress free day without a care in the world. Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    And so it begins heart


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Looks like the classic 911 accident: Wet, too fast, losing control... Many 911 drivers underestimate the sudden switch from grip to no grip (aquaplaning) with a rear engined car. Saw two accidents of this kind right in front of me in my life, usually at speeds around 200 kph. Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    I think it is a case of too fast for the prevailing conditions. This covers everything IMO.

    Also the state of the tyres is a most important parameter in the wet.

    No injuries from this accident, it seems.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    reginos:

    I think it is a case of too fast for the prevailing conditions. This covers everything IMO.

    Also the state of the tyres is a most important parameter in the wet.

    No injuries from this accident, it seems.


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    "Porsche....and Nothing else matters"

     

    True but the 911 is really tricky under these conditions, very difficult to catch.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    RC:
    reginos:

    I think it is a case of too fast for the prevailing conditions. This covers everything IMO.

    Also the state of the tyres is a most important parameter in the wet.

    No injuries from this accident, it seems.


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    "Porsche....and Nothing else matters"

     

    True but the 911 is really tricky under these conditions, very difficult to catch.

    I know. I've seen several others, so far!

     I am very pedantic about the condition of the tyres, when the season starts getting rainy


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    What is rain?

    indecision


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    DJM48:

    What is rain?

    indecision

    I officially hate you. Smiley

    Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    RC:
    DJM48:

    What is rain?

    indecision

    I officially hate you. Smiley

    Smiley


    Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    DJM48:

    What is rain?

    indecision

    Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    EVO Magazine - Car Of The Year

    1. BMW M2 CS - 95.7
    2. McLaren 76LT - 95.5
    3. Lamborghini Huracan Evo RWD - 94.3
    4. Toyota Yaris GR - 93.3
    5. Ferrari F8 Tributo - 92.3
    6. Honda Civic Type R - 92.0
    7. Porsche 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 - 90.7
    8. Porsche 911 Turbo S - 89.7


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    That’s surprising.  


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Yaris GR in number 4, I think that is very cool they did that, no fancy interior or luxury or huge HP, just pure raw driving dinamics being recognized and valued.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Opinions vary about cars, like they vary about everything else.

    It would be helpful if we could see the criteria on the basis of which this (controversial?) ranking was formed.

    Nevertheless, the BMW M2 is one of my favourite cars, so be it  kiss


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    "Porsche....and Nothing else matters"


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Did EVO accidentally sort the list in the opposite order indecision Very surprising result.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Arghhhh my eyes!! goddamn, every year it happens to me. Why does one post that online without spoilers. mail


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Exactly - these kind of rankings are very subjective and open to personal taste. Another group of people might actually rank them in the opposite order. They criticise the Porsches for being too perfect and then flaws in other cars are seen as “character”. In my list of criteria build quality matters a lot and I want the car to be as close to perfect as possible.

    Where I do agree with them is that the sport suspension is a silly option on a Turbo S. The standard suspension on the 992 Turbo S is already so sporty that you would only benefit from the sport suspension on track and that is not the main purpose of the Turbo S. If you are going to track your Porsche a lot it makes much more sense to get a GT car. Not worth it to compromise the fantastic on road and everyday capability with the sport suspension. The standard tyres, decent ground clearance and good ride are all key ingredients for a daily driver.

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Agree - total joke in my view - and I drove the M2 CS at Palmer trackdays in the UK. I think they needed to balance it as Porsche's used to take the crown YOY


     
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