Crown

Board: Porsche - 911 - 997 Language: English Region: Worldwide Share/Save/Bookmark Close

Forum - Thread


    How to forget an M3 CSL? Hello GT3 RS!

    As I'm sure many here know, I've been eyeing GT3's since they were first presented in 1999. Even on paper it seemed to offer me exactly what I was looking for, Porsche heritage, pared back and spiced up with real Motorsport-pedigree. What's not to love, I thought.

    That feeling never changed throughout the generations of GT3 (RS) that came along. I had some real favorites (996 RS, 997 4.0), but none of the other iterations let me down either. It was clear it was the absolute pinnacle for me.

    My last stop before GT3-ownership, was the CSL, which appeared to be an absolutely fabulous driving experience. Even now after having enjoyed my own GT3 RS, I stand by that opinion. It was BMW at its very best, offering a very different driving experience to Porsche at its absolute best. In my opinion, having both is a real blessing as their dynamics absolutely complement eachother. More on that later.

    After having decided, the time was right to take the jump to GT3 ownership, I decided on the 997.1 RS, I've briefly considered the 997.2 GT3, but the broad hips of the RS are too much for me to resist. Ideally, I've considered a 3.8 RS, but looks and price made me decide on the more cohesive (imo) 997.1 RS.

    The first example I'd seen appeared to be the right one for me, as I like my cars a bit pared-back and raw:

    • Orange
    • 15k km
    • No airco
    • PCCB (now on 380mm Cup-discs)
    • Full-cage
    • Cup-splitter
    • Cup-bypass
    • O.Z-wheels on Trofeo R + OEM-wheels on Michelin PSS

    big_porsche_911_gt3rsmitoz.jpg

    Last Friday, it was collection time at long last. The idea was to pick up my RS together with my friend and colleague and fellow RT-member Bacchus, and drop him off at PZ Maienfeld to pick-up his very own RS. Crazy with excitement despite hardly having slept all week, we took off in my orange RS. First impression is one of extreme solidity, the clutch pedal is hard, the gearbox mechanical and precise. Second impression, after the car had the time to warm its fluids "crap, it's going wrong already", such was the chuntering and rattling noise at idle and coasting.

    Being my first time in an RS, I had no clue it was the single-mass flywheel making itself heard. Luckily, upon arrival at PZ Maienfeld, the mechanic confirmed it was nothing to be concerned off. As soon as Bacchus took off in his green RS, it indeed appeared to chunter and rattle in the exact same way.

    After having picked up both RS's, we would acquaint ourselves with them on French soil, heading to the Vosges-region, which is home to some fabulous driving roads. Arriving in Les Vosges, the promise was met, fabulous deserted driving roads, being there at that time in my own GT3 RS, it felt 'pinch me'-hard to believe.

    10170962_10152363768776807_1053492797_n.jpg

    IMG_7269_zps1298f9e2.jpg

    The first thing that gets you in a GT3 is the engine, the noise, the reach, the specific noise it makes shifting up from 2 to 3, 3 to 4. The stuff of Porsche-dreams. The second thing, as an M3 CSL driver, are its dynamics. I tend to enjoy a tail-led balance when driving, accelerating early and provoking the tail out. The RS doesn't play in the same way, in fact not once did I manage to unstick its 325-section rears, such is the grip on offer. Unlike the CSL, it does serve up some understeer if you're being inconsiderate of the car's balance. Trail-braking into turns resolved this handling-trait, and appeared to put the car on tip-toes, getting alive and subtly even getting the back into play.

    It's more difficult to get your enjoyment from, to get it to work with you, but when you do, you get real satisfaction from getting it right, as it's a much harder, more physical car to drive in a spirited manner. Braking into the corner, heel-and-toeing your way down the gears, getting the front to bite, and then -very- early on the throttle, it's a thing to behold, one of the true motoring experiences. That said, I'll still enjoy the way my CSL handles things, tail-out, playful balance, hyper-alert. It's different, but brilliant in its own right. They complement eachother perfectly.

    After an extensive drive on the Vosges road, we headed north to Belgium to visit friends and family, and with that, got to experience the GT3 RS's on the autobahn. Despite its hardcore nature, I considered it to be perfectly habitable to cover large distances in, the brilliant suspension is firm but not uncomfortable at all. Engine noise is OK, as mine has its valves permanently open (bypass pipes are not fitted at this time), it did serve up some drone, but all things considered it is much, much more comfortable than my CSL.

    IMG_7290_zpsd2bc53f0.jpg

    I'm sure I'll get to know so much more characteristics in the time to come, it's not a car you get the best from immediately, it seems to take time to get to learn how to drive it, and that's what I truly appreciate from it. If I have to note one downside, it would be that the 3.6 lacks some low-down torque vs. the 3.8, but that's hardly a surprise. It compensates with a truly visceral top-end.

    Tucked up in its garage now, it's hard to believe this dream has come true, I can't wait until the next drive.

    usyqu2ap.jpg


    --

    2003 BMW M3 CSL / 2008 Porsche 911 GT3 RS / 2013 MINI John Cooper Works GP / 2014 BMW Alpina D3 biturbo Touring


    Re: How to forget an M3 CSL? Hello GT3 RS!

    Awesome!  Many Congratulations! wink


    --

    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550


    Re: How to forget an M3 CSL? Hello GT3 RS!

    Now the first modification beckons, to fit the bypass pipes. As they bypass the side mufflers, they save around 35kg. However, should it be a concern that they'd rob the car of some low-down torque in exchange for some additional top-end power?


    --

    2003 BMW M3 CSL / 2008 Porsche 911 GT3 RS / 2013 MINI John Cooper Works GP / 2014 BMW Alpina D3 biturbo Touring


    Re: How to forget an M3 CSL? Hello GT3 RS!

    Grant:

    Awesome!  Many Congratulations! wink

    Thanks Grant! Smiley


    --

    2003 BMW M3 CSL / 2008 Porsche 911 GT3 RS / 2013 MINI John Cooper Works GP / 2014 BMW Alpina D3 biturbo Touring


    Re: How to forget an M3 CSL? Hello GT3 RS!

    First congrats. the Pumpkin is a great choice and I agree on your assessment in terms of driving dynamics. I would even go that far and claim the CSL is the nicer drive on country roads as the Porsche really needs to be driven with trail braking to get the best out of it which is not always too recommendable to do on public roads.

    In terms of getting rid of the side mufflers I didnt notice any difference in terms of power when I switched to the Akrapovic Sportscup exhaust with side muffler delete. According to Akrapovic it saves 25 kg. When we checked right height after the exhaust change the car was actually 2 millimeters higher at the rear than before. The weight saving at this critical location (behind the rear axle) and the less heat radiation affecting the rear tyres is the biggest benefit. In my case the biggest downside is now the droning at low revs which can be quite annoying and the car now screams now like a beast higher up the rev range that it became a bit of a problem on Swiss roads. Also watch out that you could be excluded on some tracks as you exceed the noise limits.

    We should all definitely meet, we seem to have quite a lot of Porsche lovers around the Zurich area.

    Cheers

    Mike


    Re: How to forget an M3 CSL? Hello GT3 RS!

    Many congrats, Frank Smiley I am sure it's the right choice for you as this baby is a real driving machine - one of the last "analogue" cars of it's kind made for enthusiasts who actually enjoy exactly this Smiley Can't wait to meet up at the natural playground for this baby Smiley I am very interested to hear how the "conversion" from the M3CSL driving dynamics towards the rear engine car works for you. I am sure you'll love it.


    --

    public roads: Porsche 981S white/black/red, toll road Smiley : Porsche 997 GT3 Arctic/Black


    Re: How to forget an M3 CSL? Hello GT3 RS!

    Congrats with the beast Frank wink I'm glad to read that you realize your another dream.

    997.1 GT3 RS is one of the last old-school sports cars just next to the 997.2 GT3 RS.

    I, myself, prefer the handling style of the CSL but since you have both of them, now it is only matter of what mode you are in and which one you prefer on the track for the upcoming weekend.

    And the orange color is my favorite color for the 997.1 GT3 RS. I have 1/18 diecast (AutoArt) model of the very same RS (Orange color with PCCB blush)

    Enjoy her in good health.

     


    --

    ONUR

    THE BEST CAR EVER smiley

    11 E92 M3 CP - 09 Audi TTS Coupe - 07 997 Carrera S - 05 M3 Coupe - 03 M3 Coupe - 96 M3 Coupe EVO (PASS TIME HISTORY)

     


    Re: How to forget an M3 CSL? Hello GT3 RS!

    Congrats Franks! wink Excellent choice. Enjoy! kiss


    --

    2014 991 Carrera 4S | Dark Blue Metallic | PDK | S-PASM (-20mm) | PSE
    2010 Audi S5 cabrio | Ibis White


    Re: How to forget an M3 CSL? Hello GT3 RS!

    As I mentioned to Bacchus: 'Hooked for life'!


    Re: How to forget an M3 CSL? Hello GT3 RS!

    DuckieRS:

    As I mentioned to Bacchus: 'Hooked for life'!

    I agree, I also love how -as a product- it breathes quality. More so than any other German premium brand.


    --

    2003 BMW M3 CSL / 2008 Porsche 911 GT3 RS / 2013 MINI John Cooper Works GP / 2014 BMW Alpina D3 biturbo Touring


    Re: How to forget an M3 CSL? Hello GT3 RS!

    Congrats, very nice car!

    From my experience with this car, I would recommend to have a proper geometry setup. I found mine to be very tail happy in unexpected circumstances on track. But it is such a joy!


    --

    1987 911 Carrera 3.2 - 1992 964 Carrera 2 - 2012 Cayenne Diesel - 2013 Mini Cooper S - 1995 BMW318ti


    Re: How to forget an M3 CSL? Hello GT3 RS!

    Frank, FINALLY the thread I have been anticipating for a bit!
    What a car mate, sex on wheels in every aspect. Are you still open for that trip to Buzludzha? :-D
    Enjoy it to the fullest and in good health, but I'm sure you will. Looking forward to lots more reports.

    kiss


    --

    Porsche, seperates LeMans from LeBoys

    Re: How to forget an M3 CSL? Hello GT3 RS!

    Congrats Porker! You did it :) What a nice story. The RSs are even more beautiful when they come in packs ;)


    --

    If I don't fly, I drive my .:RS 


    Re: How to forget an M3 CSL? Hello GT3 RS!

    Congrats to both of you - nice cars. wink wink


    Re: How to forget an M3 CSL? Hello GT3 RS!

    Awesome cars. Congrats.


    Re: How to forget an M3 CSL? Hello GT3 RS!

    BEST CHOICE!  Excellent - have fun and be safe!!!  When I sell my Turbo I want a GT3RS exactly like yours!  Love the color!


    Re: How to forget an M3 CSL? Hello GT3 RS!

    kiss Excellent plan Leawood911. 


    --

    If I don't fly, I drive my .:RS 


    Re: How to forget an M3 CSL? Hello GT3 RS!

    Best GT3 (RS) color ever! Congrats!


    --

    2012 Cayenne S White/Espresso 

    Ex: 993 Targa, 986S, 986 and 964 C2


    Re: How to forget an M3 CSL? Hello GT3 RS!

    Damn ! Congrats ! Now we really need to do a meeting around lake zurich.....angel


    Re: How to forget an M3 CSL? Hello GT3 RS!

    Porker:
    DuckieRS:

    As I mentioned to Bacchus: 'Hooked for life'!

    I agree, I also love how -as a product- it breathes quality. More so than any other German premium brand.

    +1

    It has a sort of an unbreakable feel


    Re: How to forget an M3 CSL? Hello GT3 RS!

    AMAZING Frank !!

    Such great news to see you finally get there, uber happy for you mate and wishing you many many miles of fun and enjoyment in this new beast ! And it's so great that you have your friend join in on the fun and share the experience with the green one. you guys are really doing it right. 

     


    Re: How to forget an M3 CSL? Hello GT3 RS!

    BjoernB:

    Damn ! Congrats ! Now we really need to do a meeting around lake zurich.....angel

    +1 Smiley


    --

    2014 991 Carrera 4S | Dark Blue Metallic | PDK | S-PASM (-20mm) | PSE
    2010 Audi S5 cabrio | Ibis White


    Re: How to forget an M3 CSL? Hello GT3 RS!

    Is it true that if you get caught even mildly breaking the rules of the road in CH, the punishment is very severe?


    Re: How to forget an M3 CSL? Hello GT3 RS!

    Thanks Enma, appreciate you comments!

    noone1: Unfortunately that is indeed true, luckily Germany is only a stone's throw away.


    --

    2003 BMW M3 CSL / 2008 Porsche 911 GT3 RS / 2013 MINI John Cooper Works GP / 2014 BMW Alpina D3 biturbo Touring


    Re: How to forget an M3 CSL? Hello GT3 RS!

    Beautiful, love the colour! kisswink


    Re: How to forget an M3 CSL? Hello GT3 RS!

    Congrats Frank! It looks absolutely stunning. Love that orange color!


    --

    Suzy

    2013 Porsche Boxster S (MT) | Basalt black metallic
    2014 Audi A6 Avant 3.0 BiTDI Quattro | Moonshine blue metallic
     


    Re: How to forget an M3 CSL? Hello GT3 RS!

    noone1:

    Is it true that if you get caught even mildly breaking the rules of the road in CH, the punishment is very severe?

    Depends on your definition of mildly. For example if you exceed the speed limit on the highway with 25 k/h you "only" get a fine of CHF260, nothing else.. After that it get's quickly more expensive and you can lose your license for a month or more.

    So personally I don't drive faster than 150 k/h in Switzerland anymore. CHF260 is not much more than filling up a tank, so part of the costs of ownership Smiley


    --

    2012 Cayenne S White/Espresso 

    Ex: 993 Targa, 986S, 986 and 964 C2


    Re: How to forget an M3 CSL? Hello GT3 RS!

    993Targa:
    CHF260 is not much more than filling up a tank, so part of the costs of ownership Smiley

     

    does this affect your insurance premium or your driving licence? or is it "only money"?


    Re: How to forget an M3 CSL? Hello GT3 RS!

    sfo:
    993Targa:
    CHF260 is not much more than filling up a tank, so part of the costs of ownership Smiley

     

    does this affect your insurance premium or your driving licence? or is it "only money"?

    Only money.  What you must avoid, by all means , is doing over 40km/h in a 30 zone, or over 50 km/h in a 50 zone, or over 60 in a 80 zone, or over 80 in a 120 zone ( highway ) . If you do this kind of speeding, your licence goes for at least 2 years, they confiscate your car ( you might get if back many month later or have they oblige you to sell it ) + you 'll get one year suspended jail sentence + fine according to your income . JUST DON'T DO IT !


    --

     997.2 C2S, PDK, -20mm


    Re: How to forget an M3 CSL? Hello GT3 RS!

    Frank : I am so happy for you !! I am sure you will discover much more about your GT3 in the commit month and get to know exactly how to drive the car to it s best . I am very interested in your CSL / GT3 comparison on a longer run , specially after some track .

     I always loved tail happy cars, but have hardly driven any since I have my Porsches . So sometimes I wonder how much fun I would have in a tail happy car again ?

    On the other side, I just love the grip and the feeling of the 911 layout 


    --

     997.2 C2S, PDK, -20mm


     
    Edit

    Forum

    Board Subject Last post Rating Views Replies
    Porsche Sticky SUN'S LAST RUN TO WILSON, WY - 991 C2S CAB LIFE, END OF AN ERA (Part I) Thread Closed 9/24/20 12:47 AM
    watt
    578662 2849
    Porsche Sticky The moment I've been waiting for... 12/30/20 9:03 AM
    rhino
     
     
     
     
     
    357452 1279
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020) 4/10/21 2:32 PM
    Joost
    86123 1085
    Porsche Sticky Welcome to Rennteam: Cars and Coffee... (photos) 4/21/21 9:49 AM
    RCA
    44255 340
    Porsche Sticky ROAD TEST: New 992 Carrera 4S 3/3/21 10:57 PM
    Wonderbar
    35200 336
    Porsche Sticky Porsche Taycan Turbo S - Short Review 10/19/20 6:12 PM
    Leawood911
    32878 380
    Porsche Sticky SUN'S LAST RUN TO WILSON, WY - 991 C2S CAB LIFE, END OF AN ERA (Part II) 4/20/21 11:02 AM
    Joost
    15373 310
    Porsche Sticky Porsche extends the Taycan model range (Taycan 2WD) 2/1/21 12:42 PM
    Leawood911
    4301 29
    Porsche OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017) 7/27/20 2:13 AM
    DJM48
    561807 5257
    Porsche Cayman GT4 4/13/21 10:04 AM
    996FourEss
    401790 3585
    McLaren McLaren on a winning streak 4/13/21 8:01 AM
    BjoernB
    355976 3915
    Porsche OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017) 12/27/20 4:06 PM
    Topspeed
    352868 3486
    Porsche OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018) 11/5/20 9:55 PM
    DaveGordon
    313270 3242
    Porsche OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016) 12/8/20 7:51 PM
    DJM48
    309699 2646
    Porsche OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car 2/28/21 8:05 PM
    Topspeed
    216130 1542
    Porsche Tesla Roadster 9/23/20 8:22 PM
    bluelines
    183650 4279
    Porsche OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016) 2/11/21 9:22 AM
    Itsme
    160422 1379
    Others Alfa Romeo 4C 9/23/20 10:22 AM
    RCA
    138011 792
    Porsche 992 GT3 4/22/21 7:35 PM
    blueflame
    113153 2171
    Lambo Lamborghini Huracan and variants 4/9/21 4:32 PM
    Topspeed
    105663 1225
    McLaren F1 2/25/21 11:33 AM
    RCA
    77110 207
    Porsche Welcome to the new Taycan Forum! 4/16/21 10:24 AM
    rhino
    69969 1154
    AMG AMG GT R 11/19/20 11:47 PM
    Topspeed
    64636 819
    Lambo Aventador and SV 4/20/21 3:21 PM
    CGX car nut
    63626 683
    Porsche 991 Speedster 9/3/20 4:29 PM
    Topspeed
    56479 878
    Porsche Nürburgring - Tesla vs. Taycan 11/23/20 6:10 PM
    Topspeed
    43017 596
    Others Bugatti Chiron 4/12/21 3:42 PM
    RCA
    36427 476
    Porsche Olive 991.2 GT3 Clubsport 1/1/21 7:58 PM
    throt
    33732 615
    Ferrari Ferrari 812 Superfast 4/22/21 3:03 PM
    nberry
    28918 433
    BMW M BMW M2 Rumors 3/21/21 5:01 PM
    Topspeed
    28616 385
    271 items found, displaying 1 to 30.