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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    ..and now just to make RC cringe, my new daily drive.....Smiley

    Octavia3.jpg


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    kiss Must say it is a very beautiful car! Very good proportions and color!kiss


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    The new Octavia is a very good automobile. The trunk and rear passenger leg room is impressive . Congratulations, very nice color!


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    reginos:

    The only engine Porsche made (officially) was for  SEAT, but that engine was not one Porsche's best efforts.

    Not sure what the definition of "made" is, but the Audi RS2 was, albeit the (brilliant) 5-pot Audi motor, heavily improved upon by the engineers at Porsche.  A car I wish I'd never sold.

    Damn - I'm talking about an Audi on a Alfa 4C thread after just criticising the way our threads seem to go so far off-topic.  Sorry.


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    Budster:
    reginos:

    The only engine Porsche made (officially) was for  SEAT, but that engine was not one Porsche's best efforts.

    Not sure what the definition of "made" is, but the Audi RS2 was, albeit the (brilliant) 5-pot Audi motor, heavily improved upon by the engineers at Porsche.  A car I wish I'd never sold.

    Damn - I'm talking about an Audi on a Alfa 4C thread after just criticising the way our threads seem to go so far off-topic.  Sorry.

    The SEAT Ibiza engine and gearbox were developed by the Porsche consulting arm. So, SEAT were licensed to use the 'SEAT System Porsche' name.


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    Returning to discussions on the Alfa Romeo 4C.  The video and other still photographs showing the high levels of direct labor makes me think that Fiat will be losing money on each car sold.


    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    reginos:
     

    You forgot Polski FIAT, Zastawa and Volga

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    Where I worked and lived, there was no Polski Fiat or Zastawa or even the Yugo for that matter, they wished... Smiley

    I am sorry but this is how I feel, I cannot change it. I would rather drive a Daihatsu than a Skoda. Smiley


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    RC:
    reginos:
     

    You forgot Polski FIAT, Zastawa and Volga

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    Where I worked and lived, there was no Polski Fiat or Zastawa or even the Yugo for that matter, they wished... Smiley

    I am sorry but this is how I feel, I cannot change it. I would rather drive a Daihatsu than a Skoda. Smiley

    Have you drive a Daihatsu?  I have the unenviable task of having to drive mainstream cars every week and at the Fiesta/Focus/Mondeo end of the market, getting a Skoda is a treat.  Actually the Fords aren't bad either.

    Back on topic, the 4C needs a more exclusive engine at that price and auto only is annoying


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    dreamcar:

    ..and now just to make RC cringe, my new daily drive.....Smiley

    Octavia3.jpg

    love the colour .. excellent choice!


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    Thanks guys, it's a better car than I dared hope! As economical on fuel as my little Clockwork Rat was - a real surprise - , better built, better equipped, cheaper to insure, much more comfortable....it's not in the least bit sporty of course, it doesn't pretend to be, and I can understand why on a sports car forum such as this some don't "get" it . But after a long day at work I prefer something relaxing to drive to be honest.  

    Yes I'd love a Porsche for my daily commute, a Cayenne would fit the bill nicely,  but no way could I justify the running costs Smiley  Or even an Audi - but of course I've got one, just with a different badge....Smiley

    The point is if only FIAT had done as good a job with Alfa as VW has with Skoda they'd be up there with the best by now, not floundering in the mire and the 4C would  be a serious competitor for Boxster / Cayman.... rather than an oddball choice for die-hard Italian car enthusiasts. Even if and when Alfa start producing world class cars again there is a mountain of prejudice from the bad old days to overcome - look at Skoda, even though they've been building cars every bit as good as the Audi / VW models they are based on for years, there is still completely unfounded prejudice against the brand as RC has demonstrated. Smiley

    There has to be hope for Alfa , judging by my recent experience there has been huge improvements with Maserati....Smiley

    Sorry to de-rail your thread intouch 1....Smiley


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    DC, very good and wise choice your Skoda. The wise man's VW IMO. What engine size is it? I presume it is DSG.

    I am considering a SEAT (another devalued VW Group brand) to replace the Smart I drive daily. It is some 2.000 EUR cheaper than the VW Polo with more equipment and the same mechanicals.


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    reginos:

    DC, very good and wise choice your Skoda. The wise man's VW IMO. What engine size is it? I presume it is DSG.

    I am considering a SEAT (another devalued VW Group brand) to replace the Smart I drive daily. It is some 2.000 EUR cheaper than the VW Polo with more equipment and the same mechanicals.

    Hi reginos, thank you for the nice words, car is 2.0 litre diesel with manual transmission. Strangely the DSG official figures are some 5 -6 mpg down on the manual (can't quite understand why petrol DSG is quicker and more economical but diesel equipped DSG is the exact opposite). Fuel consumption overall is a very good 59.2 mpg and steadily improving. I do high mileage (20,000 per year) so diesel makes more sense than petrol.

     

    SWMBO very nearly bought a Seat Ibiza SC FR 1.4 with DSG, lovely car and fun to drive and I think she now regrets that she didn't, in the end she went for her default Honda Jazz, not a bad car car for a shopping trolley but dreadfully sluggish and dull.

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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    dreamcar:

    there is still completely unfounded prejudice against the brand as RC has demonstrated. Smiley

    I completely admitted the prejudice and I also explained why.  Smiley

    Let me give you another example: My wife's parents forced her to eat a boiled egg each and every day until she was 12 or so. Since then, she cannot stand the look or smell of a boiled egg. For that reason, she also doesn't like scrambled or sunny side up style eggs. Same with me and Skoda. Smiley

    Speaking of Daihatsu: I love driving cars of various brands, not only sports cars. Yes, I have driven a Daihatsu and even a Toyota IQ lately and trust me, I hate these cars. Number one on my hate list: The Smart. Had one for my business for three years, I lighted a candle in the church when the car was gone. Smiley Drove a Renault Twizy 45 though, I am thinking about getting one for my daughter when she turns 16 (minimum age for such a car in Germany) and I can't say I loved it but it was an interesting experience, especially for that kind of money.


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    RC:
    dreamcar:

    there is still completely unfounded prejudice against the brand as RC has demonstrated. Smiley

    ILet me give you another example: My wife's parents forced her to eat a boiled egg each and every day until she was 12 or so. Since then, she cannot stand the look or smell of a boiled egg. For that reason, she also doesn't like scrambled or sunny side up style eggs. Same with me and Skoda. Smiley

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    Your parents made you drive a Skoda each and every day until you were 12? Smiley


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    dreamcar:
     

    Your parents made you drive a Skoda each and every day until you were 12? Smiley

    Nope, I was driving an Opel Kadett GSi and later on a Mercedes 190E 2.6, thanks god. Both cars in their first year of production.

    I saw Skodas on every corner of the region I lived in, saw old and new cars, full or rust, breaking down all the time, making horrible sounds, stinking and so on. For me, Skodas, Trabants, Dacias, Oltcits and Wartburgs were hell on earth. As a car lover, I hated these abominations of cars. I know that nowadays, Skoda makes modern cars but the image in my head isn't gone, I'm sorry. You guys cannot understand this but coming from the West and living/working in a communist country with very limited access to certain "normal" things (for us in the West) kind of takes it's (psychological) toll. This is why I hate everything socialist/communist and this is why I hate certain products from the past. Only those who were in the same situation can understand.


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    dreamcar:

    Your parents made you drive a Skoda each and every day until you were 12? Smiley

    Hilarous... Smiley

    I think you made the right choice with your Skoda, the new one came out very, very well. I can tolerate RC´s aversion towards the brand but it´s not only the VW underpinnings that make the difference, the cars are also built very well. Something I cannot entirely say about Seat, most of their cars that I drove were not that spectacular.

     

     


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    Eggs provide a lot of Vitamin D that helps kid develop strong bodies. Your wife's parents did her a favor.

    Skodas then were mainly good the for testing one's ability to resist carbon monoxide poisoning.


    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    JimFlat6:

    Eggs provide a lot of Vitamin D that helps kid develop strong bodies. Your wife's parents did her a favor.

    Skodas then were mainly good the for testing one's ability to resist carbon monoxide poisoning.

    You don't even know how right you are about this... Smiley  Smiley


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    dreamcar:
    reginos:

    DC, very good and wise choice your Skoda. The wise man's VW IMO. What engine size is it? I presume it is DSG.

    I am considering a SEAT (another devalued VW Group brand) to replace the Smart I drive daily. It is some 2.000 EUR cheaper than the VW Polo with more equipment and the same mechanicals.

    Hi reginos, thank you for the nice words, car is 2.0 litre diesel with manual transmission. Strangely the DSG official figures are some 5 -6 mpg down on the manual (can't quite understand why petrol DSG is quicker and more economical but diesel equipped DSG is the exact opposite). Fuel consumption overall is a very good 59.2 mpg and steadily improving. I do high mileage (20,000 per year) so diesel makes more sense than petrol.

     

    SWMBO very nearly bought a Seat Ibiza SC FR 1.4 with DSG, lovely car and fun to drive and I think she now regrets that she didn't, in the end she went for her default Honda Jazz, not a bad car car for a shopping trolley but dreadfully sluggish and dull.

    There was a change of plans regarding my daily runabout. I wanted to buy from available stock and by the time I decided, the only choice was the Polo. The SEATs were gone and the only TDI available was the 1.2 3 cylinder which is in the 3.5lt/100km class but very sluggish. I didn't want to order and wait for some 3-4 months as I had to part-exchange the Smart asap which was getting very scruffy and unfit.

    I got a nice Polo 1.2 TSI 105 PS with 7 speed DSG, in Pepper Grey.  I have covered 1.000 km so far and it has exceeded my expectations. Very well finished, materials of a class or two above, lots of refinement in the city  and in faster cruising, good speed for the category and an excellent engine/DSG matching. Economy is promising given that the engine is not run-in yet.  In the Highline edition with additional climate control, rear parking sensors, cruise control and some other extras the price was significantly lower than the German price list which I used for reference. Even allowing for whatever discounts dealers give in Germany, the price was super attractive and the part-exchange very fair.

    So, now I am 100% VW Group, with Porsche, Audi and VW  Smiley

     


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    reginos:

    There was a change of plans regarding my daily runabout. I wanted to buy from available stock and by the time I decided, the only choice was the Polo. The SEATs were gone and the only TDI available was the 1.2 3 cylinder which is in the 3.5lt/100km class but very sluggish. I didn't want to order and wait for some 3-4 months as I had to part-exchange the Smart asap which was getting very scruffy and unfit.

    I got a nice Polo 1.2 TSI 105 PS with 7 speed DSG, in Pepper Grey.  I have covered 1.000 km so far and it has exceeded my expectations. Very well finished, materials of a class or two above, lots of refinement in the city  and in faster cruising, good speed for the category and an excellent engine/DSG matching. In the Highline edition with additional climate control, rear parking sensors, cruise control and some other extras the price was significantly lower than the German price list which I used for reference. Even allowing for whatever discounts dealers give in Germany, the price was super attractive and the part-exchange very fair.

    So, now I am 100% VW Group, with Porsche, Audi and VW  Smiley

     

    Great choice! The Polo is a very neat little car. the Fabia is too dull and looks like a shed, and the Audi A1 nice but hugely overpriced. I certainly wouldn't go near a Ford or anything French. I'm sure you will be well satisfied Smiley


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

     

    Thanks DC!

    The Audi A1 is a gem but way too expensive for the intended purpose. I checked the new Clio but it was below par for my taste in many areas.

     

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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    Heard that Alfa Romeo, had planned to show up the 4c, in the mille miglia, but since the sponsor i mercedes benz, thay did not authorised it!!!!, and infact for the first time ever no Alfa of the historical musem did participate!!that must mean, that it is at least a special little car....


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    kudryavchik:

    Fehler in allen teilen (fiat) is a crap even today))) [...]

    "Fehler in alle Teilen" Smiley

    Great reverse acronym. In the US, it's "Fix It Again, Tony".

     


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    Not sure what is going on with the Alfa Romeo 4C. Was at a local dealer today (was in the neighborhood, looked at a nice Fiat 500 Abarth again) and the sales person just kept his mouth shut, nothing. He told me to leave a card, so he can contact me but no date, no details about the car, nothing. Strange.

    I guess even Alfa Romeo cannot do wonders... 


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    Fix it again, Tony - I like it))) thanks for info)))
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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    Fehler in alle Teilen

    Failure in all parts, that's a new one for me 

    Tony

     


    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    LADA = Langsamster auf der Autobahn (slowest on the Autobahn)

    BMW = Bayerischer Mist Wagen (Bavarian Crap Car) or "break my window"

    FORD = Für Opa reicht das (for Grandpa, this car is OK)

    VW = Völlig wertlos (without any value)

    SEAT = Sehen, einsteigen, aussteigen, totlachen (seeing it, getting in, getting out, laughing out loud)

    KIA = Karre im Arsch (car kaputt)

    AUDI = Auch unter Deppen in (being "in" among idiots too)

    OPEL = Oh Prima, er läuft (oh great, it runs) or Ohne Power ewig Letzter (without power always the last)

    MAZDA = Mein Auto zieht der Abschleppwagen (my car is towed by the towing truck)

    SAAB = Ständig am Auto basteln (always having to repair something on the car)

    Now I shut up... 

     

     

     

     


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    BMW = Black Man's Wheels angry

    Someone in the UK told me that. I am innocent frown


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    RC:

    LADA = Langsamster auf der Autobahn (slowest on the Autobahn)

    BMW = Bayerischer Mist Wagen (Bavarian Crap Car) or "break my window"

    FORD = Für Opa reicht das (for Grandpa, this car is OK)

    VW = Völlig wertlos (without any value)

    SEAT = Sehen, einsteigen, aussteigen, totlachen (seeing it, getting in, getting out, laughing out loud)

    KIA = Karre im Arsch (car kaputt)

    AUDI = Auch unter Deppen in (being "in" among idiots too)

    OPEL = Oh Prima, er läuft (oh great, it runs) or Ohne Power ewig Letzter (without power always the last)

    MAZDA = Mein Auto zieht der Abschleppwagen (my car is towed by the towing truck)

    SAAB = Ständig am Auto basteln (always having to repair something on the car)

    Now I shut up... 

     

     

     

     


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnuNv77rB0Q&hd=1

     

    looks real fun...


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